[Fener]

Karatallid, on 26 January 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

Fener, on 26 January 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 26 January 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

There's a lot to catch up on. There is a few connections to explore. Two deaths to look at as well. Holy crap I don't know where I'll find the time. Well people were pointing fingers at GL saying he is playing too good and that he knows a little more than most, I guess they were right. I think that Merrid had connections to Eloth day one, this could be a repercussion of Eloth being lynched, one of his generals could have targeted who he pointed out? Then we had a list of susepcts that were connected to Eloth Silanah(lynched), TS and Lio. That leaves those two with possible connections to Eloth yet every faction is in the same boat (3 players left). Yet 2 out of the 5 factions look to have lost their leader. That a good quick summary of the game so far? I haven't had the time to go through the thread at all. I'm swamped, and people are off sick.

There's also the possible connection between Sorrit and Liosan which Galayn Lord was promoting right up until he bought the big one (luckily he managed to get some final dragonsecks in just before).

I'll have to find that, do you know what post it was?

Look at GL's running feud with Sorrit from just after the lynch on Silanah.

Also, as Shelly points out, there's a possible Atrahal-GL link too.


Edit: put my reply in quotes accidentally.

This post has been edited by Fener: 26 January 2012 - 03:35 PM

[Sheltatha Lore]

Something interesting I noticed:

Galayn Lord, on 26 January 2012 - 10:26 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 26 January 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

Like who? Liosan?

That's the fellow I asked you after. You know, pretty orange avatar, switched votes today, seems a tad bit nervous... I'm sure you;ll recognize him when you see him.

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He tweaked out after the lynch but I highly doubt if he knew that GH was his boss he would have flown off the handle like that afterwords. He thought he was onto something else. I also doubt he would be third on the Sil train if he thought Sil was on his team?

So you don't think he was unusually cavalier in voting for people and switching votes between people? You don't think that is because he has perhaps knowledge of who is on his side, and/or doesn't particularly care as long as he survives, usually the hallmark of a middle to high powered role?
You don't think there's anything to my suspicion (and that of Fener, for example) in thinking he outed having knowledge in response to my theory?

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I also noticed Tulas Shorn protecting you from Liosan, not that you have needed it.

I personally doubt people know I'm on their faction. And yeah, regardless of what game I am in, I am generally capable of defense as long as there is time left in the day to respond.

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I see lots of people trying to hide in the middle of the pack, and I want to call them out but I dont want to hit my own faction. I dont think Atrahal is in my faction so I mentioned him. And I hate not being able to alt anyone. It is no fun.

I'm usually content to let them rest, for precisely the reason you mention. At some point, they'll out themselves.

Sorrit, on 26 January 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 25 January 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Caught up on phone. Tons of classes today, so little time.

Culture hunting is good, but TS seemes too loud to be important. And silanah was supposedly recognised by another player.

vote Silanah

First vote on Silanah today, who is most likely going to be lynched, but this is a very terrible reason for a vote.

You claim Silanah was caught signaling. Where? To Who?

This reads to me as a leader trying to suggest to their followers who to vote for without looking obvious about it.

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codes? in a merc game?
that is just silly.

I dont know my whole faction, be there four or five people in it. You know yours and so don't need any kind of codes/signaling? Interesting.

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well, Merrid is really being put on the spot by Eloth... could be fake-symping, since no one else followed up on the Korean bit.
I'd say it's better to go for the suspected leader. Eloth is certainly not playing the way i'd expect someone important to act.



vote Merrid



as for Silanah, the fact that they are "Redwings" may have something to do with the longevity of that joke.



Or it could be signalling.

So there is signaling now?

And those were his only two posts doing anything about... anything.

I'm guessing Atrahal is a leader trying to coast by in the middle of the numbers while not ruffling the feathers of anyone who isn't quite likely to be lynched.

He also protects Fener

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see, the flaw with that reasoning, is that I don't see there being "scum" per se in this game.
in fact, i'm currently leaning to there being 4 factions of 5.

which would make a fener lynch counterproductive.

Which again leads me to believe he knows who is on his team and who isn't, which leads me to believe he has a power role.

Both Sorrit and Gaylord had the same accusations, Sorrit against Atrahal and Gaylord against Liosan.

Both under the assumption (which I found strange at the time) that leaders knew who their boys are (usually it's the other way around).

And now Gaylord dies and turns out to be a leader.

Sorrit? Anything you want to tell us?

[Path-Shaper]

I am out now, beddy-bye time.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Err, even though my question is for Sorrit, the rest of you guys are still allowed to speak

[Karatallid]

I might have some free time when I get home from work but I don't at the moment. It's just left open on one of my tabs.

[Kessobahn]

Alright, back for today, I reviewed a little, 4 or 5 pages since I left last night. It's always busiest when I'm not around.

Ok, the lynch revealed the existence of the 5th faction, Muira - I didn't get the feel that Silanah was too highly placed from the scene. And the doublevote was present again, right?
can anybody be arsed to quote the final trains on the 2 lynches for comparison? Thanks, maybe we can figure it out (if anybody wants to)

Two night kills - both leaders or leaderly types. All factions are now equal in number. I bet the cries for culture hunt will diminish slightly until that changes with our next lynch.

So in the scene for Fujiwari, he was attacked by two factions, but they are not allies according to the Open Alliance posting from PS yesterday. Does anyone think that is coincidence, a sign of secret alliances or a new Open Alliance in the formation. I think that is a clue for us about events in motion. My opinion is that we will see an Open Alliance out of it.

[Okaros]

Kessobahn, on 26 January 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

Alright, back for today, I reviewed a little, 4 or 5 pages since I left last night. It's always busiest when I'm not around.

Ok, the lynch revealed the existence of the 5th faction, Muira - I didn't get the feel that Silanah was too highly placed from the scene. And the doublevote was present again, right?
can anybody be arsed to quote the final trains on the 2 lynches for comparison? Thanks, maybe we can figure it out (if anybody wants to)

Two night kills - both leaders or leaderly types. All factions are now equal in number. I bet the cries for culture hunt will diminish slightly until that changes with our next lynch.

So in the scene for Fujiwari, he was attacked by two factions, but they are not allies according to the Open Alliance posting from PS yesterday. Does anyone think that is coincidence, a sign of secret alliances or a new Open Alliance in the formation. I think that is a clue for us about events in motion. My opinion is that we will see an Open Alliance out of it.

Although we get hints it would be weird if Shin put in that much information. If there is such a thing as secret alliances, and I guess a leader like GL would know, then I find it hard to believe that Shin would reveal those in his scenes.

[Tiamatha]

So, I've been gone awhile. I'll try to catch up during the day....if someone could pay my salary while I quit my job, that would probably help.

[Okaros]

What about you give me your job and I give you my salary?

[Omtose]

Catching up, looks like quite a lot has happened, might be good to go back to the start of the day and look at everything again.

[Korvalain]

here and caught up. Thats a lot of stuff to digest. (get your dragon sexed head out of the gutter).

So now that we are 3v3v3v3v3 it would seem that the culture hunt is a bit less of an option now and I suspect we will see people walking on eggshells. Interesting that Tapper was a leader, claimed that leaders don't know subordinates, and yet was so gung ho about Liosan. It seems that since Lio voted GL, Gl could safely say that Lio wasn't on his team... interesting that no one really followed GL in his suspicions of Lio. (especially since he was a leader).

[Korvalain]

More for my reference than anything.

Path-Shaper, on 25 January 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

Here is how it should have looked:

It is Day 1. There has been a lynch.

20 Players still alive: Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

11 Votes to Lynch. 10 to go to night.

1 Vote Tulas Shorn: Atrahal
1 Vote Atrahal: Tulas Shorn
3 Votes Merrid: Eloth, Sorrit, Olar Ethil
9 Votes Eloth: Shetatha Lore, Liosan, Okaros, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korvalain, Merrid, Omtose, Shadow

Players not voting: Fener, Kessobahn, Korlat,, Silanah Osseric, Tiamatha

This was because I was in a rush to get to work when I did this, so I made a boo boo. So yes, 9 votes, and yes, Eloth was lynched.

Path-Shaper, on 26 January 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

It is Day 2. A lynch has occurred.

18 Players still alive: Atrahal, Fener, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

10 Votes to Lynch. 9 to go to night.

9 Votes Silanah: Atrahal, Korvalain, Liosan, Kessobahn, Omtose, Tulas Shorn, Olar Ethil, Sheltatha Lore, Karatallid
2 Votes Liosan: Galayn Lord, Fener

Players not voting: Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha

Yes, the vote number is correct. Yes, a lynch has occurred.

[Atrahal]

Korvalain, on 26 January 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

here and caught up. Thats a lot of stuff to digest. (get your dragon sexed head out of the gutter).

So now that we are 3v3v3v3v3 it would seem that the culture hunt is a bit less of an option now and I suspect we will see people walking on eggshells. Interesting that Tapper was a leader, claimed that leaders don't know subordinates, and yet was so gung ho about Liosan. It seems that since Lio voted GL, Gl could safely say that Lio wasn't on his team... interesting that no one really followed GL in his suspicions of Lio. (especially since he was a leader).

I htnk that would be a bit obvious.

[Atrahal]

Korvalain, on 26 January 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

More for my reference than anything.

Path-Shaper, on 25 January 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

Here is how it should have looked:

It is Day 1. There has been a lynch.

20 Players still alive: Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

11 Votes to Lynch. 10 to go to night.

1 Vote Tulas Shorn: Atrahal
1 Vote Atrahal: Tulas Shorn
3 Votes Merrid: Eloth, Sorrit, Olar Ethil
9 Votes Eloth: Shetatha Lore, Liosan, Okaros, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korvalain, Merrid, Omtose, Shadow

Players not voting: Fener, Kessobahn, Korlat,, Silanah Osseric, Tiamatha

This was because I was in a rush to get to work when I did this, so I made a boo boo. So yes, 9 votes, and yes, Eloth was lynched.

Path-Shaper, on 26 January 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

It is Day 2. A lynch has occurred.

18 Players still alive: Atrahal, Fener, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

10 Votes to Lynch. 9 to go to night.

9 Votes Silanah: Atrahal, Korvalain, Liosan, Kessobahn, Omtose, Tulas Shorn, Olar Ethil, Sheltatha Lore, Karatallid
2 Votes Liosan: Galayn Lord, Fener

Players not voting: Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha

Yes, the vote number is correct. Yes, a lynch has occurred.

supposedly, 2 double voters on one train. 1 on the other.

if the role distribution's equal, each team has a double voter (leader?)

train 1:Shetatha Lore , Liosan, Okaros, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korvalain, Merrid, Omtose, Shadow
train 2:Atrahal, Korvalain, Liosan,[/u] Kessobahn, Omtose, Tulas Shorn, Olar Ethil, Sheltatha Lore Karatallid.


underined present on both lynches

italics only voted on the second lynch.



if we assume GL was one of the double voters, this leaves 3 more out there--one for Ashikaga, one for Muira, and one for Fujiwari.

This post has been edited by Atrahal: 26 January 2012 - 06:56 PM

[Kessobahn]

Ok, the following people were on both lynches so one of them has to have the double vote power:

Shelly, Lio, Kara, Korv, Omtose

In the 1st lynch but not the second:

Okaros, GL, Merrid, Shadow

Make of this what you will



Edit - apprently xpost with Atrahal

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 26 January 2012 - 06:52 PM

[Atrahal]

as for accusations levelled against me, I don't really see what i'm supposed to respond to.



I don't make waves? no, shit, why would I? I know my leader, Sorritt, it's the only other player I know. he's not under serious heat, so I don't need to deflect from him. anyone who says anyhting against him is fair game.

It's funny that you accuse me of coasting, when the same can be said about almost anyone whose clan isn't thrown in the spotlight.

[Atrahal]

ok, the gray skin is being stupid, and not letting me select parts of quotes, but in my summary I made a mistake, as Kesso should be in italics, not underlined.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Atrahal, on 26 January 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

I know my leader, Sorritt, it's the only other player I know.

OK, I have to admit I read that a few times to realize what you meant

[Atrahal]

Sheltatha Lore, on 26 January 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 26 January 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

I know my leader, Sorritt, it's the only other player I know.

OK, I have to admit I read that a few times to realize what you meant

last I checked I wasn't Khell.

[Karatallid]

Well I don't have a double voting ability so that narrows the suspects somewhat