[Azathmaster]

I'll start at the beginning of my theory.
The first empire had multiple colonies on almost all continents, as well as armies. Their armies used mages to defend against other mages, while the soldiers attacked. When one of those armies, stationed in genabackis, committed an act of extreme valor/ is retired, they create their own civilizations. These remnants, (Mages and soldiers) continue to develop their civilizations and adopt their titles from the army before: T'orrud, adopted by the mages, evolved into the T'orrud Cabal. Segul, adopted by the footsoldiers who stuck together, evolved into the seguleh. These titles, T'orrud(Shield) and Segul (Anvil), was remembered as a distant memory and became the title of a leader of the cult of war, meaning that they fight and defend. This may have happened elsewhere, influencing the names of civilizations

This post has been edited by Azathmaster: 09 January 2012 - 12:50 AM

[tiam]

Thats pretty much what were told yes.

However the problem does stand in your Torrud= Torrud Cabal as Dstan is only around 2000 years old according to GOTM whereas the FE fell long before then. Its perfectly possible ofc that the Torrud Cabal left Seguleh Isle to oversee/safeguard against the Tyrants tomb which appears to be crucial in OST. So the Torrud Cabal could be a more recent organisation but the actual mages themselves are much older. Though how does this fit in relation to the Tyrant?

Edit- Also I will say theres no reason to believe they were retired for a moment of valour. It could simply have been a similar situation as Lether and they lost contact with the FE when it all went tits up.

This post has been edited by tiam: 09 January 2012 - 01:31 AM

[JLV]

I believe the T'orrud Cabal and the Segulah both have something to do with some kind of tyrant, supposedly not jhagut in origin.

[Kanese S's]

The Torrud Cabal could be older than the city of Darujhistan.

While Darujhistan might not be as old as the First Empire, what if it's built on top of another city, or near an older one, or older settlement?

[D'rek]

Azathmaster, on 09 January 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

I'll start at the beginning of my theory.
The first empire had multiple colonies on almost all continents, as well as armies. Their armies used mages to defend against other mages, while the soldiers attacked. When one of those armies, stationed in genabackis, committed an act of extreme valor/ is retired, they create their own civilizations. These remnants, (Mages and soldiers) continue to develop their civilizations and adopt their titles from the army before: T'orrud, adopted by the mages, evolved into the T'orrud Cabal. Segul, adopted by the footsoldiers who stuck together, evolved into the seguleh. These titles, T'orrud(Shield) and Segul (Anvil), was remembered as a distant memory and became the title of a leader of the cult of war, meaning that they fight and defend. This may have happened elsewhere, influencing the names of civilizations

I'm curious as to why you're connecting the Seguleh and T'orrud cabal to the First Empire?

[tiam]

Kanese S, on 09 January 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

The Torrud Cabal could be older than the city of Darujhistan.

While Darujhistan might not be as old as the First Empire, what if it's built on top of another city, or near an older one, or older settlement?

Well we know from TTH that the Eldra mining works are built upon much older works stretching back to the Imass First Empire so its likely there was another settlement of some description there. I personally think the 2000 year old comment from GOTM may turn out to be a GOTMism or even 2000 years since the last Tyrant etc. Theres enough wiggle room there though he may stick with the 2000 year mark.

D, on 09 January 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Azathmaster, on 09 January 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

I'll start at the beginning of my theory.
The first empire had multiple colonies on almost all continents, as well as armies. Their armies used mages to defend against other mages, while the soldiers attacked. When one of those armies, stationed in genabackis, committed an act of extreme valor/ is retired, they create their own civilizations. These remnants, (Mages and soldiers) continue to develop their civilizations and adopt their titles from the army before: T'orrud, adopted by the mages, evolved into the T'orrud Cabal. Segul, adopted by the footsoldiers who stuck together, evolved into the seguleh. These titles, T'orrud(Shield) and Segul (Anvil), was remembered as a distant memory and became the title of a leader of the cult of war, meaning that they fight and defend. This may have happened elsewhere, influencing the names of civilizations

I'm curious as to why you're connecting the Seguleh and T'orrud cabal to the First Empire?

We're told by Samar Dev that Shield Anvil in the language of the First Empire is Torrud Segul, and she muses that the the Seguleh may have been a remnant of a FE army called the Anvil or some such. Torrud is ofc the Torrud Cabal and they seem to be shielding either the Tyrant until he returns or shielding everyone from his return we dont quite know yet. But its mainly the Samar Dev comment I think its in RG actually that she comes up with it though I cant remember where exactly of the top of my head sorry.