[Galain]

Omtose, on 05 January 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Hey peeps, busy as hell day, and i've got class to run off to in 10 min.

Galain, I see you've made a cse on my low participation. fair enough, we can't al be keyboard monkeys. I resent you accusing me of coastin just cuz I post as I catch up. yes, I'm not in the same zone as most of you, so my catch up posts may trod over same ground as before, doesn't mean i'm aping you guys necessarily.

for everyone else, there was one post that caught my attention,

Galain, on 04 January 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Okay so everyone figured my above post out before I got there.

I just read over yesterday's stuff, and the only thing that jumped out at me was HP really railing Omtose. I wish one of them had died to give us some information.

it seems strange. almost like he wants to suggest one of us be lymnched without actually sayiung that.


Aside from that, I think that we have one quiet and one loud Nepeth. my gut's been pointing me at Emur as a possibilty, but I dind't have the time to look it up.

I'll be back in about 2 hours.

I was implying that with all the deaths of the night, I wish one of you had been interchanged with someone else. If Omtose came up Nepeth, it would have PI'd HP, etc other scenarios etc.

[Emurlahn]

Omtose, on 05 January 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Hey peeps, busy as hell day, and i've got class to run off to in 10 min.

Galain, I see you've made a cse on my low participation. fair enough, we can't al be keyboard monkeys. I resent you accusing me of coastin just cuz I post as I catch up. yes, I'm not in the same zone as most of you, so my catch up posts may trod over same ground as before, doesn't mean i'm aping you guys necessarily.

for everyone else, there was one post that caught my attention,

Galain, on 04 January 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Okay so everyone figured my above post out before I got there.

I just read over yesterday's stuff, and the only thing that jumped out at me was HP really railing Omtose. I wish one of them had died to give us some information.

it seems strange. almost like he wants to suggest one of us be lymnched without actually sayiung that.


Aside from that, I think that we have one quiet and one loud Nepeth. my gut's been pointing me at Emur as a possibilty, but I dind't have the time to look it up.

I'll be back in about 2 hours.

So which one of those Nepeth are you - loud or quiet? Sorry, couldn't resist. Anyway, what didn't you have time to look up- Lio made the BS case already, just jump on that one.

I think you are just trying to get some heat off of Sukul right now

[Emurlahn]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

@Liosan

You were first to mention the link with Armour to Serc, maybe you set it up so that Serc could get lynched. You looked like you pushed towards that link but never voted for it and stayed away from the train. You then come on and think it ridiculous/stupid that people followed through on this idea. You also implicate Galain when you agree with Serc's comment way back when. Today, although I agree with you on the Emurlahn stance, you also look like you may lead the pack with who to vote for the difference is you vote along with your own idea today.

Galain thinks anyone is a good lynch, he like me has accused a spread of people which in my opinion is the right thing to do. Yet I don't think anyone is a good lynch.

At the moment I feel like I have to defend myself because i'm one of the ones that is pointing fingers. I'm not happy with the level of commitment from at least half the players and I feel sad that there isn't a great case made as of yet.

I've only found a couple of half cases Ano pretending to be a thief and Liosan setting up Serc for a fall but i'm confident on neither.

Distancing from Lio? you don't trust him, but you're willing to follow his lead on cases?

You are acting like a nervous cat that is trying to talk his way out of trouble. This started when there was only 1 vote on you, I think. You tried way to hard to keep everybody's attention to the case on me. You just act scummy in these last 2 pages.

Vote Sukul Ankhadu

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 3 hours and 21 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sukul Anandhu

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Korvalain ( Hood's Path )
2 Votes for Sukul Anandhu ( Olar Ethil, Emurlahn )
1 Vote for Emurlahn ( Liosan )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, D'riss, Galain, Korvalain, Omtose, Sukul Anandhu

[Sukul Ankhadu]

So Olar has 24 hours to get into a game it took me 2 days to get into. You who already has a vote pushes one back at me. I haven't even followed Liosan's vote and he didn't vote day one. I could vote you yes, but I could vote Lio, Omtose or ano just as much. I'll hold off on my vote for now thanks. I'm having another read through.

[Hood's Path]

here and going to slowly catch up.

But I already read the post above and seriously Sukul are you whining in mafia? That is really going to help you

[Hood's Path]

and by whining I of course meant whinging

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Hood, on 05 January 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:

here and going to slowly catch up.

But I already read the post above and seriously Sukul are you whining in mafia? That is really going to help you

Nope. I just realise Emur's post smacks of OMGUS. I made a point about him around the same time as Liosan and now Lio and I are linked. I don't want to be linked to him as I don't know what faction he is on. Olar made a case on me without having a good look into the whole thread and I am trying to put the pieces together as i'm sure they fit somewhere.

[Omtose]

okay, gotta love first class of the semester. 10 mins instead of hour and a half.

I'm back, have soem unexpected time. (2 hours before dinner, then I gotta get ready for work)

so i'll go, actually finish the re-read, and then put down a vote.

[Hood's Path]

Olar Ethil, on 05 January 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 January 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 05 January 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

I think that apart from all the things already mentioned it is also noteworthy that the train on Serc picked up when HP changed his vote to him and thus removed his vote from Omtose, who was the only alternative to Serc that came up during day 1.

Now this, THIS is gold.

What Korv is saying here is that people were inclined to follow my vote onto Serc and what he is implying is that I am some sort of known role that other players know as if I were their faction leader in a typical merc game. I am not and they don"t and as far as I am aware there is no reason to think ANYONE in the game knows anyone else. But Korv doesn"t think so. To him the idea of another player knowing me isn"t unusual at all. If it was, he would have felt the need to explain it more thoroughly but he didn"t - he felt he could just point at the concept"s general direction and that everyone would get that.

Why does he subconsciously not bother to have to explain that? Well because he himelf does have role-PM knowledge of another character or even off-thread communications with them. To him its perfectly natural that that would be in this game, but for most of us I believe that is not the case and we would not so easily assume others would know what we are implying from pointing out a vague train shift following a vote switch.

Now who do you think would have knowledge or off-thread comms with another player? Well in most town v scum games it is the scum, whom the Nepeth most closely match. Going by the factions and roles of this game, it makes sense the Nepeth armies would be working together and so would know or talk to each other. But I don"t see much of a bond between merchants of various houses, khansmen of different clans, street orphans or an immortal Qadi. So if Korv has this knowledge, which I think he does, then he is Nepeth.

Vote Korvalain

This is really weird. Korv just made an observation, and HP really over reacts here. In many faction games the "scum" faction know eachother. I wouldn't be surprised if some Nepath knew one another. The funny thing is, that I think this post makes HP look more non nepath. Not because of what he says, (because I do think he is over reacting and Korv actually had a good point), but of how he reacts. It doesn't even cross his mind that Nepath might know one another. to me this is telling and drops HP down on my list of possible Nepath.

His post however, doesn't sway me one way or another on Korv being scummy as, to me, he made a really good observation.

Okay this is just about the exact opposite of what I was trying to say. Was it that hard to understand? I was saying that Korv is the one who has knowledge of other players and that is why he made a post that practically assumed we were all thinking about it like him. If he did not have knowledge of other players, I think he would have phrased it more like

Quote

Since Nepeth are like scum, if they all know who each other are then look how the train on Serc picked up when HP changed his vote to him and thus removed his vote from Omtose, who was the only alternative to Serc that came up during day 1

but because Korv has that extra knowledge he was acting like it wasn't no big thing and everyone would be aware of the possibility. But it is a big thing because town doesn"t have that and scum like Korv do.

THAT is what I was trying to say!

[Olar Ethil]

@HP

I really think that everyone was aware of the possibility that scum might know who is on their team. (In fact the times/games that scum don't know their team...that is a minority) I am not saying they have off thread comms but I am saying that the likelyhood that they know each other is pretty high. I don't think that it's unusual that Korv assumes that they know who each other are or that he assumes that we have thought of that possibility as well.. I assumed that the Nepath knew eachother...it's standard mafia really. Maybe I am off here and in speculation mode we need to talk about if Scum know who each other are... but as it's such a common occourance, I wouldn't think we would need to state that as a possibility. ( A probability even.)

I understand your post. I guess I just disagree 100%.

[D'riss]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

Liosan, on 05 January 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Ok, my suspicions are on Emurlahn. Now, before reading this, there is nothing earth shattering here, but given the overall skill of mafia players on this site, there seldom is. Here is what I found.

Emurlahn adds this in the middle of faction speculation by others, no really addressing what is going on.

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Well, we know that whatever has appeared in the market has to have been in someone's storage at the start, because no one's had time to make anything.
That helps figure some active roles.

Then he writes this in the middle of lynch/no lynch conversation. Again, it doesn't really address what's going on.

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

What are the CFs going to be like? Someone may have already asked this, but a quick scan didn't turn up the answer.

Here he comes on to lob an easy answer to Eloth's question about the snazzy armor comment.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

The armor is probably for a) a buff to a military unit -or- a required item to use an ability or make a certain thing, like in the workshop etc. Either way it suggests whoever posted the contract is military aspected.

As far as connecting that to Serc, it's a probable as calling Olar Ethil a Thief for stealing Korv's ice cream post.



EDIT: to remove an emoticon that somehow appeared in the middle of my text

Here is some "speculation", but nothing substansive or really opinionated.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

To further this thought, I am surprised no one has purchased any Weapons. This suggests to me that either the person that needs them has already spent their money on the Tax Collector title, or they haven't the funds required yet. I wonder who could have started with 15k denari

I realize that the Bazaar may seem secondary to the actual mafia playing, but it is interesting to me.

More of the same, with an apology for absence.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

Sorry I'm lagging, work is being a pain w/ RL drama overlapping, so if someone could just shoot me...


OK, we had a big night that brought non-Nepeth down by 4.

The Djinn looks like a game-buster, so I'm guessing it's not for this turn, but future use.

The armor contract is withdrawn - so that makes me think it was a tool to help get Serc lynched, seems like it worked.

This one interested me because he comes out of nowhere (hasn't posted for a while) and inserts agreement.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Yes, that makes sense to me.

Then his next comment is about the bazaar, much later.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

So prices on goods keep coming down and someone has bought weapons. Perhaps the Nepeth won't have such success with their next attack (or maybe they got stronger, who knows)

And here is his most substantial post IMO, which still doesn't really offer much of anything. Re-capping other's thoughts and making one observation in which he still doesn't wish to offer an opinion.

Emurlahn, on 05 January 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 46 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Serc, Sukul Anandhu, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Serc ( Kaschan, Galain, Omtose, Korvalain, D'riss, Hood's Path, Sukul Anandhu )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Eloth, Emurlahn, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Serc, Telas

Ok, here is the train, with the exception of Serc on the end with the self-vote.

Not sure how much we can learn from a Day 1 faction train, but there you go.

Kaschan is dead, believed to have been the victim of a game mechanic for starting the train on Serc. The other victims of Nepeth attacks were not present on the train. I won't guess if that is significant or coincidence, just mentioning it here.

Also, there were no other candidates being voted.

EDIT: last line

Yes, this is a faction game and people are tiptoeing carefully as a result, but we DO have a scum team of sorts that wants to stay hidden. Emur's posting reeks of helpful, non-confrontational play which doesn't offer much in the way of real information. It's middle of the road and serves to establish a presence, but that's basically it.

On my extensive catch up and read through I have absolutely no read on Emur.

Points out Olar's theft, Mentions Bazaar alot, theorises on armour, and weapons often.

Talks about bazaar and armour and weapons that is all.

He is non confrontational and is easily coasting through the game.

I'm going to try to reply as I go here...and next time I'll snip some quotes to avoid flooding the thread. But the Bazaar is a long term tool, imo. From the way the game has progressed so far, we've only seen a few items bought or sold, apparently some people are flush with cash (10k+ Denari), but if everyone else is also got a decent amount of cash, why aren't items being bought? This being the first game of a series it seems like either a) people are stockpiling for the next game, which P-S explained could end up working for your current faction but you may be on a different faction in the next game; or no one has money.

So the fixation on the Bazaar catches my attention because so far it hasn't seemed to play an integral role in this game. Maybe it will in later games or something. But prices are high and time is short so someone always talking about items and the Bazaar seems like a specialty role, perhaps the dude with all the cash who is buying expensive stuff but has other abilities that affect trading/rading/etc. One the one hand that gives me an inno vibe for someone who is playing for the long game, but at the same time it could be Nepeth looking for something specific or even just being distracting. In fact, I think the Bazaar has been the most distracting part of the "game" so far in terms of who to lynch or suspect. We have very little info about it and I don't know that we can deduce anything about a player from the low Bazaar activity so far.

So for those reasons I kind of agree that Emur is suspect but I wouldn't be willing to vote that way at the moment.

Continuing my read through....

[Hood's Path]

There"s been giant quote blocks aplenty already so I won"t feel the need to add to that but here"s my thoughts after reading up:

galain worries me in making a case on Omtose coasting and directly pointing out my calling him out in it - gets my hackles up thinking it could be a ploy to keep him on my good side since I"m the next most active player and bound to be getting more and more suspicious of him if we don"t find Nepeth

sukul gets really whingy and defensive when suspicion is cast on him. That is not the kind of behaviour that goes with an attitude of helping town because it mostly doesn"t help town. It is distracting as hell and tends to wind up with the whingy person being lynched and if said person is town that is bad for town. This is why in Albania whingy mafia players are ritually flogged with a rope made of venomous spiders if they turn out to be town after being lynched. So if you are town Sukul then you are doing one of the worst things you can by whinging yourself into getting lynched AND THERE WILL BE SPIDER FLOGGING TO PAY FOR IT

omtose is still completely devoid of original content or even content at all for that matter. I DON"T FUCKING CARE IF YOU ATTEND A UNIVERSITY I AM PERFECTLY PROUD OF MY DEVRY INSTITUTE DEGREE NOW POST SOMETHING USEFUL OR SHUT THE FUCK UP SO I CAN HAMMER YOU FOR LOW POSTING. I think I actually prefer D'riss deliberately low posting to Gwynn-like levels of three posts a day, spread so far apart they"re like floating rocks in an ocean. At least I can plain ol" call D"riss a major low-poster and lynching him for it is pretty explicable. Omtose on the other hand will be damned sure to show up 5 minutes after you propose to lynch his low-content ass and do a miniature-whinge before "I GOTTA GO TO CLASS NOW FOR MY DEGREE THAT I AM LEARNING BY GOING TO THIS CLASS THERE BACK AFTER CLASS". What"s that? They make miniature spiders for miniature whingers? MINIATURE SPIDER FLOGGING AWAITS YOU OMTOSE!

So basically I hate everyone and want to lynch nigh everyone except Ano because he is just way too good at being both useful and completely outside my posting time. But I am going to leave my vote on Korvalain for now because as soon as I put it there and made a little case on him he disappeared for life hoping to sit out the day and that is rather scummy. Quite.

[Galain]

That was actually something I meant to include in my Omtose thing. He wasn't around until I brought him up.

So are you opposed to either an Omtose or a SA lynch today?

I have about as much of a read on Korvalain as I do on D'riss..

[Hood's Path]

Galain, on 05 January 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

That was actually something I meant to include in my Omtose thing. He wasn't around until I brought him up.

So are you opposed to either an Omtose or a SA lynch today?

I have about as much of a read on Korvalain as I do on D'riss..

More and more I think Omtose is just a terrible townie, doesn"t feel more scum than anyone else really.

I"d be quite supportive of a Sukul lynch for the above mentioned flogging reasons and it is looking like that is how it will go since we have only a couple hours left and no one else wants to vote Korv.

[Galain]

Did Korv say he wouldn't be back? Have you looked at his posts and found anything scummy?

I agree that ducking out like that when you get mentioned is a scummy tactic, but I'd like something else, ya know?

[Sukul Ankhadu]

I'm around to vote

[Galain]

Omtose, HP, OE, Myself, and SA should be around I believe. Maybe more. I saw 7 anons earlier, down to 4 now.

[Hood's Path]

How much time left?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 1 hour and 45 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sukul Anandhu

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Korvalain ( Hood's Path )
2 Votes for Sukul Anandhu ( Olar Ethil, Emurlahn )
1 Vote for Emurlahn ( Liosan )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, D'riss, Galain, Korvalain, Omtose, Sukul Anandhu