[Path-Shaper]

I would not mind receiving battle/dusk/night actions from those who haven't yet.

Please remember proper formatting:

title of each mail ought to be built up as follows:

alt name, phase, day.

[Olar Ethil]

Liosan, on 05 January 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

Ok, I have to leave and my return will be with about an hour to spare before deadline. I'll drop the first vote of the day. If lynched, I hope Emur isn't someone who kills the first person on the train....

Vote Emurlahn

People are right about others coasting, D'riss, Omtose etc, I'm only voting the one who caught my eye the most. I will try my best to be back before lynch (I should be able to manage it) to see what has developed in the meantime.

Also, i'd like to point out that you leave yourself an out by saying people are coasting. Of course these are the low posters, who better to make the coasting accusation against than the people who have little time to post. I am not saying there aren't Nepeth in this group of coasters ( myself included as I am sure I was considered part of the "etc") but this, combined with your "non-case" case on emur make me think you are more of a Nepeth possibility than emur.

[Olar Ethil]

Korvalain, on 05 January 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

Liosan, on 05 January 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Ok, my suspicions are on Emurlahn. Now, before reading this, there is nothing earth shattering here, but given the overall skill of mafia players on this site, there seldom is. Here is what I found.

Emurlahn adds this in the middle of faction speculation by others, no really addressing what is going on.

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Well, we know that whatever has appeared in the market has to have been in someone's storage at the start, because no one's had time to make anything.
That helps figure some active roles.

Then he writes this in the middle of lynch/no lynch conversation. Again, it doesn't really address what's going on.

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

What are the CFs going to be like? Someone may have already asked this, but a quick scan didn't turn up the answer.

Here he comes on to lob an easy answer to Eloth's question about the snazzy armor comment.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

The armor is probably for a) a buff to a military unit -or- a required item to use an ability or make a certain thing, like in the workshop etc. Either way it suggests whoever posted the contract is military aspected.

As far as connecting that to Serc, it's a probable as calling Olar Ethil a Thief for stealing Korv's ice cream post.



EDIT: to remove an emoticon that somehow appeared in the middle of my text

Here is some "speculation", but nothing substansive or really opinionated.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

To further this thought, I am surprised no one has purchased any Weapons. This suggests to me that either the person that needs them has already spent their money on the Tax Collector title, or they haven't the funds required yet. I wonder who could have started with 15k denari

I realize that the Bazaar may seem secondary to the actual mafia playing, but it is interesting to me.

More of the same, with an apology for absence.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

Sorry I'm lagging, work is being a pain w/ RL drama overlapping, so if someone could just shoot me...


OK, we had a big night that brought non-Nepeth down by 4.

The Djinn looks like a game-buster, so I'm guessing it's not for this turn, but future use.

The armor contract is withdrawn - so that makes me think it was a tool to help get Serc lynched, seems like it worked.

This one interested me because he comes out of nowhere (hasn't posted for a while) and inserts agreement.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Yes, that makes sense to me.

Then his next comment is about the bazaar, much later.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

So prices on goods keep coming down and someone has bought weapons. Perhaps the Nepeth won't have such success with their next attack (or maybe they got stronger, who knows)

And here is his most substantial post IMO, which still doesn't really offer much of anything. Re-capping other's thoughts and making one observation in which he still doesn't wish to offer an opinion.

Emurlahn, on 05 January 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 46 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Serc, Sukul Anandhu, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Serc ( Kaschan, Galain, Omtose, Korvalain, D'riss, Hood's Path, Sukul Anandhu )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Eloth, Emurlahn, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Serc, Telas

Ok, here is the train, with the exception of Serc on the end with the self-vote.

Not sure how much we can learn from a Day 1 faction train, but there you go.

Kaschan is dead, believed to have been the victim of a game mechanic for starting the train on Serc. The other victims of Nepeth attacks were not present on the train. I won't guess if that is significant or coincidence, just mentioning it here.

Also, there were no other candidates being voted.

EDIT: last line

Yes, this is a faction game and people are tiptoeing carefully as a result, but we DO have a scum team of sorts that wants to stay hidden. Emur's posting reeks of helpful, non-confrontational play which doesn't offer much in the way of real information. It's middle of the road and serves to establish a presence, but that's basically it.

On my extensive catch up and read through I have absolutely no read on Emur.

Points out Olar's theft, Mentions Bazaar alot, theorises on armour, and weapons often.

Talks about bazaar and armour and weapons that is all.

He is non confrontational and is easily coasting through the game.

With all that talk about the bazaar and weapons it seems he is very focused on that kind of thing. Maybe his role is concentrated on that.

This was my thought as well. Which would probably exclude him from being Nepath. Which is why it feels to me like Liosan is trying to really push the Emur thing.

[D'riss]

Ok, I'm alive and back at home (work ). Time to read up and post.

[Galain]

Looking at Omtose's posts. He has a lot of posting without saying anything new or at all.

Omtose, on 03 January 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Spoiler:

Spoiler

The Khalif is not in this game, nor is basically anyone she has mentioned she has been talking to: she's in the City of Peace, the game plays at an entirely different location a few hundred miles south. The people she talks to, are the highest and mightiest of the city - the Nepeth Drought game stars a few powerful figures, but mostly lesser gods. You may learn a few names when she talks to Abdul al-Adil again.

Furthermore, she will continue as the main almighty storyteller and won't appear in games for a long spell.

Spoiler

Khalif is a she ??/ Shenanigans!

catching up

Omtose, on 03 January 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

fwiw, I despise letting the game be solved by NAs, os I do think we should lynch.



I'm also of the opinion, as voiced by someone else, that since the Nepeth are trying to occupy the oasis, htey'll probably have military roles in this game, and thus, will hope to win via battles.

He agrees with the need to lynch. That's fine, it makes sense to post that. Then he adds fake content to his post by reiterating something that was accepted pages ago, really.

Hp calls him out on it below.

Omtose, on 03 January 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

Hood, on 03 January 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Omtose, on 03 January 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

fwiw, I despise letting the game be solved by NAs, os I do think we should lynch.



I'm also of the opinion, as voiced by someone else, that since the Nepeth are trying to occupy the oasis, htey'll probably have military roles in this game, and thus, will hope to win via battles.

Really Omtose? As you can see from the long list of posts above we"ve already discussed that the Nepeth are military roles aplenty. In fact, YOU WERE ALREADY HERE AND HAVE POSTED SINCE WE BROUGHT THAT UP and now you come back and say "Oh i agree with this thing voiced by someone else (and totally not practically everyone already!) I am content hurr durr" This is such an utterly blatant attempt to look agreeable while getting your post count up. I dont know what you"ve got that you think you need to pretend to be agreeable but it is absolutely calling for some pressure and response

remove vote
vote Omtose

here I'll quote you all the discussion of this so far:

umm, right, i'm guessing you didn't see the "catching up" post.

I was here last yesterday, when it was me, Telas, and the tumbleweeds. discussion took place afterwards.

[Galain]

"Hey look, I'm around and making posts guys!"

Omtose, on 04 January 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

b with colon makes the sunglasses smiley.

But he doesn't actually say anything useful.

Omtose, on 04 January 2012 - 04:42 AM, said:

overwhelmed is one way of putting it. I'm back in uni, still trying to adjest to the whole "the break is over, I have to sleep at decent times, and there's a million things to do" set-up.


*I'm following the game, but it's Day 1, in a town v scum game. The factions don't really come into play, aside of the meta-game (and I realize its importance), and role-spec. which isn't good, as it only helps the Nepeth figure out who to target.

This is fair, Day 1 is hard to discuss. But some of us didn't have a problem doing so.

-Random thing I'm noticing: He quotes posts A LOT. They make his posts seem longer, when it's really just quotes.

Omtose, on 04 January 2012 - 05:09 AM, said:

Hood, on 04 January 2012 - 05:01 AM, said:

Omtose, on 04 January 2012 - 04:56 AM, said:

Hood, on 04 January 2012 - 04:52 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

To further this thought, I am surprised no one has purchased any Weapons. This suggests to me that either the person that needs them has already spent their money on the Tax Collector title, or they haven't the funds required yet. I wonder who could have started with 15k denari

I realize that the Bazaar may seem secondary to the actual mafia playing, but it is interesting to me.

I can"t see Weapons being used to make anything other than some kind of retainer and probably a Raid, Battle or Caravan kind of retainer at that (as opposed to a court eunuch or similar). Or maybe someone like an assassin could use Weapons to make themselves a Combat Strength boosting item.

But any of those kinds of roles I can"t see also starting with 15000 dinari. That just seems too overpowered.

I think whatever role(s0 can use Weapons would be low on cash and so can"t afford the 5000 for weapons without either conserving money for a few days or selling whatever goods they themselves produce.

If Im right, then it is good for most of us because we will know they are going to start battling us soon when we see the Weapons being bought during the Day.

are you suggesting we won't have battles until then?
in that case, it would make sense for Town to buy htem, to deny the Nepeth access to more retainers, no?

Well theres still a chance of battles but I think there will be fewer as the General types wont want to risk entering a battle with only 1 retainer, even if said retainer is a balrog, because they risk running into someone like another Khan/Nepeth or Qadi and dying. I think theyll mostly wait until they"ve amassed many retainers so even if they lose they have a very low chance of dying in battle.

As for buying the Weapons, if youre feeling generous go for it, but I doubt anyone will volunteer to waste 8000 quid that could be spent on self-improvement. Likewise try telling the guy who"s only valuable good that he can sell is Weapons not to sell them so the fighters can"t get them...

well, he can always offer them on contract... if he finds some pro-town thing for them to do, lol.

[Olar Ethil]

Galain, on 05 January 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

Well, I can give my overall impressions if anyone is interested, but I don't know how helpful anyone else will find that.

I agreed earlier that Emur could be coasting. But so could Omtose, D'riss, OE, etc. The problem with calling people coasters this early in the game is that people could be hiding non-Nepeth power roles. In a typical game, that happens, but in this game I think the idea of laying low is pointless. We all have some kind of role, so laying low is only harming those of us trying to find Nepeth.

I'll be back in about 45.

This whole coasting thing is Bogus. You just can't know. You can call someone a coaster and they might have no time to post. You call someone a coaster and maybe they are having a tough time reading the game. You call someone a coaster and maybe they have so little information that they just don't know what to do. You call someone a coaster and... well, maybe they are coasting. The point is you will never know and it seems like an easy way to throw accusations around with minimal consequence. Would we prefer if everyone posted 20+ times a day? Sure, but it aint happening. If you want someone to post more, vote their ass off. If they have a good role and are hiding, they'll sure as hell come out and defend and post a lot more. I am nost definately over reacting here, but this is just like the "smooth playing" rut we got into a few months back, where if you were labeled "smooth" you must be lynched and damn to the evidence. It's like people are afraid to vote. Look it's easy

vote Galain

Can I change this? yup. Is there a change people might follow because it looks like you are "coasting" and attacking low posters with no other reason than their post count? yup. Use your votes people. Use them early and often. It's how you get responses and reactions from others.

/end rant.

[Olar Ethil]

@ my above post. It wasn;t just directed at Galain, but the seemingly endless list of people that are after the mythical "coasters"

[Olar Ethil]

Also,

remove vote

because i was just trying to make a point.

[Galain]

Here is a post where he really seems to be scrambling to me. (Also holy shitton of quotes)

Omtose, on 04 January 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

Hood, on 04 January 2012 - 05:06 AM, said:

Omtose, on 04 January 2012 - 04:53 AM, said:

Hood, on 04 January 2012 - 04:42 AM, said:

Omtose, on 03 January 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

Hood, on 03 January 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Omtose, on 03 January 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

fwiw, I despise letting the game be solved by NAs, os I do think we should lynch.



I'm also of the opinion, as voiced by someone else, that since the Nepeth are trying to occupy the oasis, htey'll probably have military roles in this game, and thus, will hope to win via battles.

Really Omtose? As you can see from the long list of posts above we"ve already discussed that the Nepeth are military roles aplenty. In fact, YOU WERE ALREADY HERE AND HAVE POSTED SINCE WE BROUGHT THAT UP and now you come back and say "Oh i agree with this thing voiced by someone else (and totally not practically everyone already!) I am content hurr durr" This is such an utterly blatant attempt to look agreeable while getting your post count up. I dont know what you"ve got that you think you need to pretend to be agreeable but it is absolutely calling for some pressure and response

remove vote
vote Omtose

here I'll quote you all the discussion of this so far:

umm, right, i'm guessing you didn't see the "catching up" post.

I was here last yesterday, when it was me, Telas, and the tumbleweeds. discussion took place afterwards.

Not a chance omtose. The last time you were posting (posts 73 and 76) was after we already first discussed the Nepeth equals Generals idea and there was at least three people discussing it. Your post in 76 is about the thread being dead so you were caught up. Not only did you make a nonsensical statement but now you"re lying trying to defend yourself. Sorry but that is just plain scummy behaviour so you are definitely a Nepeth or power role.

umm,no
what I said was:

Omtose, on 03 January 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

well, I just got back to uni, settling in/unpacking/dreading re-starting school tomorrow.


seems the thread's gone quiet a bit.


I'm wondering, is the Quadi even lynchable? from what i've gathered, it's a Djihn of immense power, no?

you assuming that I was all caught up is your assumption.

I don't have tons of time (yet. It should improve soon). I do tend to skim posts, esp day 1.

I've noticed a few people bandy the "Nepeth=battle-related) idea around, some others suggested they were assasins, since that better fits "scum". I vioced my support of the former suggestion.


now, if you wanna take it out of context, that's your problem. I'm still wrapping my head around all the mechanics, and i'm thinking a few of us will still be doing that untill we have had at least a few nights pass.

"seems the threads gone quiet a bit" >>> are you claiming now that you posted this exact line when you were still catching up and then never finished that catching up? How stupid do you think I am that I would believe such a thing?

I have no way of knowing if your excuses are true or not. But when you make a post (especially when you only have about 5 so far) that is extremely out of place - agreeing with an argument long since settled - and wrong in its own details - saying you agree with "the one person" who voiced the argument when seven have said it so far - it is more than enough reason to cast light on your and apply some pressure. Then when under the pressure you try to weasel your way out with lies - that you were catching up still but some of the issue in question was from before you last were on - it really really makes you look like you"ve got something to hide.

I never said you were stupid. I pointed out that I was commenting as I was catching up. in said catching up, i was skimming. ergo, me having read everything and remarking that the "thread's gone quiet, i.e., I have no one to talk to", does not equal "I have read and understood everythinng up to this point". it's not an unreasonable assumption to make they are one and the same, but not always true nonetheless.

in any case, I have no intention of turning this into a pissing match. And I need to go make some food. I'll be back in round 40 min.

Serc didn't like Omtose's posts either, I was going to comment on this but he sums it up well.

Serc, on 04 January 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

I'm not being voted for what I said, but for a massive over-interpretation of what I tried to discuss by some players who seemed quite happy to just pounce on it. Scumminess or lazyness, I'm not certain.



Omtose's

Omtose, on 04 January 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

I am also quite lost at who to vote. but Serc's "a Day 1 lynch is anever a good lynch" attitude is anyhting but productive.

is a good example. You can see how excited he is at the smell of blood based on his spastic spelling, and his "anever" goes against what I said in my previous 3-4 posts.

Anyways, I won't raise too much hell. As far as winning is concerned, there are worse lynches today for me than me.

Serc, on 04 January 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

And Omtose's next post WAS the vote. The post I quoted was just the fluff which scum players sometimes do before voting, due to their self-conciousness

The rest is after the results of the battle/night stuff:

Omtose, on 04 January 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

wow, JA, didn an emo self-vote? while being the Qadi?


seriously weird stuff.

Way to point out something that we all had and already debunked, you're totally being an active player!

Omtose, on 04 January 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:

Galain, on 04 January 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

Wow, look at all that inactivity.

Hood, on 04 January 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

[snip]

Serc referenced armor and shortly after he got online a contract for someone to sell armor went up on the market, too. It looked a lot like Serc wanted armor.

We"ve all generally agreed that the Nepeth are probably very militaristic roles and so would be interested in getting weapons and armor not jewels or sandstone.

So Serc looked like he was Nepeth and we want Nepeth dead so we lynched him.

Serc also was okay with no-lynching. This got him lynched as well.

Korvalain, on 04 January 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

Sorry, I got distracted.

Hood, on 04 January 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 04 January 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

When he says that there are worse lynches than him.

Oh I see it. Nothing comes to mind as a potential worse lynch than him.

Same here, that's why I put that question out there.

Even if there are other powerful entities out there, how would JA have known about them? So I guess I'm just agreeing with you, but wondering why he said that. Maybe a last ditch effort to try to get us to stop the lynch.

[snip]

Someone put the theory out there that he may have done this because his death power would have killed both the first voter on the train and the last. If so, t'was an honourable action. If not, then it was quite emo, as you say.

Anyone here?

i'm kinda sorta here. but my brain's fried from 6 hours of lectures, I have to go eat soon, and I also have homework (already)
if JA could kill the train starter, it makes slighly more sense? I guess.

still, i'm not too sure about that move.

i've had a miuld headache for most of the day. once I make that go away, I'll try to re-read and see if any scum stands out.

He sandwiches a tiny bit of commentary about the game between 2 things about real life. Makes it seem like he's actually saying something.

Oh, and that re-read never amounted to anything, apparently.

His last post was this:

Omtose, on 05 January 2012 - 04:44 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 05 January 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

Khell here, for the first time ever as Path-Shaper.

I just wanted you all to know that.

Know that and fear.

Khell does not like to die day 1.

this will not end well

As I made clear earlier, both Omtose and SA tugged at my gut. I just finished looking at Omtose, and as you can see I'm not happy with the quality of posts. His most thought filled posts were when he was trying to defend himself from HP's attacks.

I'm going to look at SA, but I'm very much ready to vote for Omtose. Any thoughts on all of this?

[Galain]

Olar Ethil, on 05 January 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

Galain, on 05 January 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

Well, I can give my overall impressions if anyone is interested, but I don't know how helpful anyone else will find that.

I agreed earlier that Emur could be coasting. But so could Omtose, D'riss, OE, etc. The problem with calling people coasters this early in the game is that people could be hiding non-Nepeth power roles. In a typical game, that happens, but in this game I think the idea of laying low is pointless. We all have some kind of role, so laying low is only harming those of us trying to find Nepeth.

I'll be back in about 45.

This whole coasting thing is Bogus. You just can't know. You can call someone a coaster and they might have no time to post. You call someone a coaster and maybe they are having a tough time reading the game. You call someone a coaster and maybe they have so little information that they just don't know what to do. You call someone a coaster and... well, maybe they are coasting. The point is you will never know and it seems like an easy way to throw accusations around with minimal consequence. Would we prefer if everyone posted 20+ times a day? Sure, but it aint happening. If you want someone to post more, vote their ass off. If they have a good role and are hiding, they'll sure as hell come out and defend and post a lot more. I am nost definately over reacting here, but this is just like the "smooth playing" rut we got into a few months back, where if you were labeled "smooth" you must be lynched and damn to the evidence. It's like people are afraid to vote. Look it's easy

vote Galain

Can I change this? yup. Is there a change people might follow because it looks like you are "coasting" and attacking low posters with no other reason than their post count? yup. Use your votes people. Use them early and often. It's how you get responses and reactions from others.

/end rant.

I actually partially agree with you here, and I apologize if I have been using the term coasting loosely. What I mean by it, especially with the Omtose case, is that there are multiple times when Omtose is AROUND, since he posts, but his posts aren't worth anything. He pretends to struggle with the vote, he pretends to discuss things that were long agreed upon. It's weird to me, and I think it's justified.

[Olar Ethil]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

You also weren't around for the lynch and you have not voted yet. The nepeth need to stay away from the spotlight and I think sir that you could be playing this brilliantly, however, i'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt at the moment as the list Galain gave are looking more scummy in my opinion.

edit have to edit colours.

Why are you willing to give Ano the benefit of the doubt? Do you know something about him we don't? Why is Galains list looking more scummy? Because they will be easier to go after? Because they won't be around to defend themselves? Path of least resistance? You seem to just be paying lip service. Maybe bit off more than you can chew with anno being around and able to have a debate so have decided to go after the "coasters" If you REALLY though Anno was scummy you would be going after him. So this leads me to the question of why? Why would SA leave a line of questionong against someone he thought was scummy and go after another group of people who may or may not be scum, but for whom there is little to no evidence. Maybe SA just wants an easy lynch?

[Olar Ethil]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

I did notice that we had similar views. The same with Galain agreeing with someone yesterday. Maybe we had the same views because in a read up you get to see exactly what we both saw. I've done a thorough catch up on every player so far, except you HP because you have far too many posts to sift through which isn't a complaint as I think you're working in our best interest. I've agreed with a lot of what you have said too. Have a look through Emur's posts and see what you come up with yourself. I bet you come up with the same conclusion I did. Or Liosan did. I'll add a couple more notes on people now and see what you think about them too seem as I have a minute or two.

Why do you think HP is working in our best interests? What leads you to that conclusion. You just said you hadn't done a read through because he had too many posts. Hmmmm, could it be because you are Nepath and taking the path of least resistance? Throwing around random statements to make it look like you are doing something, when actually all you are doing is ensuring that anyone other than a fellow Nepath is going to be lynched?

[Olar Ethil]

Hood, on 05 January 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 05 January 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

I think that apart from all the things already mentioned it is also noteworthy that the train on Serc picked up when HP changed his vote to him and thus removed his vote from Omtose, who was the only alternative to Serc that came up during day 1.

Now this, THIS is gold.

What Korv is saying here is that people were inclined to follow my vote onto Serc and what he is implying is that I am some sort of known role that other players know as if I were their faction leader in a typical merc game. I am not and they don"t and as far as I am aware there is no reason to think ANYONE in the game knows anyone else. But Korv doesn"t think so. To him the idea of another player knowing me isn"t unusual at all. If it was, he would have felt the need to explain it more thoroughly but he didn"t - he felt he could just point at the concept"s general direction and that everyone would get that.

Why does he subconsciously not bother to have to explain that? Well because he himelf does have role-PM knowledge of another character or even off-thread communications with them. To him its perfectly natural that that would be in this game, but for most of us I believe that is not the case and we would not so easily assume others would know what we are implying from pointing out a vague train shift following a vote switch.

Now who do you think would have knowledge or off-thread comms with another player? Well in most town v scum games it is the scum, whom the Nepeth most closely match. Going by the factions and roles of this game, it makes sense the Nepeth armies would be working together and so would know or talk to each other. But I don"t see much of a bond between merchants of various houses, khansmen of different clans, street orphans or an immortal Qadi. So if Korv has this knowledge, which I think he does, then he is Nepeth.

Vote Korvalain

This is really weird. Korv just made an observation, and HP really over reacts here. In many faction games the "scum" faction know eachother. I wouldn't be surprised if some Nepath knew one another. The funny thing is, that I think this post makes HP look more non nepath. Not because of what he says, (because I do think he is over reacting and Korv actually had a good point), but of how he reacts. It doesn't even cross his mind that Nepath might know one another. to me this is telling and drops HP down on my list of possible Nepath.

His post however, doesn't sway me one way or another on Korv being scummy as, to me, he made a really good observation.

[Galain]

I took a few of SA's older posts. Just a few things stood out to me.

I should preface this with SA actually seems like he is discussing things, and with that he is NOT in Omtose's boat. However, there's still some weirdness.

Sukul Ankhadu, on 03 January 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

Telas, on 03 January 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

No. Just trying to draw out information. I think Qadi is one player as I've previously stated and the most powerful and mysterious.

Telas, on 03 January 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

Seriously Sukul? I'm sorry, but you seem to be unnecessarily complicating this very much so.

You are trying to bait me to gain information. You aren't providing much of your own. I'm trying to work out what the set up is. I know the goal is to find and eliminate the Nepeth. That's simple. How many Nepeth? We won't know that until we work out how many factions are in the game and how many players within each faction. Mafia is never simple, so rather than attack why don't you offer a little more in the way of what you think?

This is just a minor tiff, right? But they still argue. Guess who is no longer alive?

Eloth also goes after him a bit right after that:

Eloth, on 03 January 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 03 January 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

Telas, on 03 January 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

No. Just trying to draw out information. I think Qadi is one player as I've previously stated and the most powerful and mysterious.

Telas, on 03 January 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

Seriously Sukul? I'm sorry, but you seem to be unnecessarily complicating this very much so.

You are trying to bait me to gain information. You aren't providing much of your own. I'm trying to work out what the set up is. I know the goal is to find and eliminate the Nepeth. That's simple. How many Nepeth? We won't know that until we work out how many factions are in the game and how many players within each faction. Mafia is never simple, so rather than attack why don't you offer a little more in the way of what you think?

And what, you think you can work that out right now? We've already had at least a half dozen attempts to work out possible factions (including myself) and, until the game progresses and people start falling, I don't think we can go further with the speculation than we already have.

It's pretty certain the Nepeth, White Foal, probs 2 of the Houses of Agreement, and a Qadi are involved. Distribution wise it's frankly anyone's guess at this point. I would assume that the first three are fairly even in terms of numbers. But as I said, things need to start happening before we can work out more. This role distribution posting is starting to look like going in circles.

Eloth is dead too..

Here is where SA explains why he was talking about what Eloth considered to be a useless topic.

Sukul Ankhadu, on 03 January 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

I didn't want to read what others had said earlier before giving it a go myself to be honest. I wanted to have a go at guessing faction breakdown and whatnot before being influenced by other peoples thoughts. Looking through the thread people have already made guesses at faction breakdown. HP and Galain have both had a go... back in a sec

And the last one post I grabbed.

Sukul Ankhadu, on 04 January 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

That's 6 votes for serc, around 2 hours to go.

Serc your defense of your lynch states that people should wait until you get stronger and that you get better abilities/action through night. Am I right? This doesn't bode too well for you. Who would you suggest a better alternative to lynch? At the moment I see no other option other than you to lynch. I may not think you are Nepeth due to the fact that your ideas are against the grain of how scum would play but that doesn't mean to say you haven't played that way and the link to the armour is a good catch this early in the game. Yes you may argue it may have been put there to set up you up but I am not seeing an alternative to lynch from yourself or from anyone else. So where would you have us look instead?

/facepalm

Why do people keep insisting the armour link was good? It was pointless. That is NOT a good catch, regardless of if he had come up Nepeth or not. I feel that it's pretty standard of scum to agree with something as if it's amazing, when it's terrible.

SA makes me quite suspicion, though he does seem to be participating and trying to figure things out. I may be biased to find him suspicious because of my gut, someone talk to me.

[Olar Ethil]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

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14 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Serc, Sukul Anandhu, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Serc ( Kaschan, Galain, Omtose, Korvalain, D'riss, Hood's Path, Sukul Anandhu )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Eloth, Emurlahn, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Serc, Telas

D'riss votes but Emurlahn does not.

I'm not saying that all the Nepeth will be away from the lynch train because they may be on there, but looking at the amount of people that didn't even lay a vote makes me feel that the Nepeth could be lying in amongst this crowd. Maybe they might be on the lynch train.

Low post count for people and no votes. That is hiding to the extreme. High Post counts and voting smacks more of looking for the Nepeth than the other.

We have to get this right today, otherwise tomorrow it could be 4 versus 3.

Why would the majority of Nepath be off the train? There are only 3 people off the train that are still alive. If the nepath know eachother, (which in my opinion is likely) wouldn't they be ON the train, knowing that they could vote serc and not hit one of their own? Your logic is so blatently off, that it seems you are trying to push us in the wrong direction. ( I can say this with a bit more certainty than most as I am one of the 3 off the train and am not Nepath. Meaning that unless there is a 2 person scum team of Emur and Liosan there are DEFINATELY nepath on that train.)

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Olar Ethil, on 05 January 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

You also weren't around for the lynch and you have not voted yet. The nepeth need to stay away from the spotlight and I think sir that you could be playing this brilliantly, however, i'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt at the moment as the list Galain gave are looking more scummy in my opinion.

edit have to edit colours.

Why are you willing to give Ano the benefit of the doubt? Do you know something about him we don't? Why is Galains list looking more scummy? Because they will be easier to go after? Because they won't be around to defend themselves? Path of least resistance? You seem to just be paying lip service. Maybe bit off more than you can chew with anno being around and able to have a debate so have decided to go after the "coasters" If you REALLY though Anno was scummy you would be going after him. So this leads me to the question of why? Why would SA leave a line of questionong against someone he thought was scummy and go after another group of people who may or may not be scum, but for whom there is little to no evidence. Maybe SA just wants an easy lynch?

If you'll notice I haven't voted yet. The reason for this is the vote has to be for the right reason and the right guy. My case on Ano was based on him trying to make us look upon him as a thief. He could be a thief, or he could be something more. The truth is I am not 100% confident on voting for him. Like I mentioned in a later post this lynch has to feel right.

I feel colder towards a HP lynch over an Ano lynch for example. There are a few players that are higher on my Nepeth list than others but with little to no content to go on I am not ready to place my vote. You think we'll win this game by letting the "coasters" keep on coasting?

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Olar Ethil, on 05 January 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

I did notice that we had similar views. The same with Galain agreeing with someone yesterday. Maybe we had the same views because in a read up you get to see exactly what we both saw. I've done a thorough catch up on every player so far, except you HP because you have far too many posts to sift through which isn't a complaint as I think you're working in our best interest. I've agreed with a lot of what you have said too. Have a look through Emur's posts and see what you come up with yourself. I bet you come up with the same conclusion I did. Or Liosan did. I'll add a couple more notes on people now and see what you think about them too seem as I have a minute or two.

Why do you think HP is working in our best interests? What leads you to that conclusion. You just said you hadn't done a read through because he had too many posts. Hmmmm, could it be because you are Nepath and taking the path of least resistance? Throwing around random statements to make it look like you are doing something, when actually all you are doing is ensuring that anyone other than a fellow Nepath is going to be lynched?

I've been around Olar unlike you, I have read HP's posts as they've come. I read through every player and ran out of time, that's why I didn't get round to reading his posts. However, I have read them when they've come through. I mentioned very early on that his take on factions at the time resonated best with me. His question and posts have been logical and aimed at getting the best information for us. Have you read through his posts? Do you disagree with much he's said? You seem to like to ask questions but answers would be good to.

[Olar Ethil]

Haha I go on a rant just as you are posting an actual case on a "coaster"

I could actually get behind an omtose lynch based on that case. You make some good points.

Galain, on 05 January 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 05 January 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

Galain, on 05 January 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

Well, I can give my overall impressions if anyone is interested, but I don't know how helpful anyone else will find that.

I agreed earlier that Emur could be coasting. But so could Omtose, D'riss, OE, etc. The problem with calling people coasters this early in the game is that people could be hiding non-Nepeth power roles. In a typical game, that happens, but in this game I think the idea of laying low is pointless. We all have some kind of role, so laying low is only harming those of us trying to find Nepeth.

I'll be back in about 45.

This whole coasting thing is Bogus. You just can't know. You can call someone a coaster and they might have no time to post. You call someone a coaster and maybe they are having a tough time reading the game. You call someone a coaster and maybe they have so little information that they just don't know what to do. You call someone a coaster and... well, maybe they are coasting. The point is you will never know and it seems like an easy way to throw accusations around with minimal consequence. Would we prefer if everyone posted 20+ times a day? Sure, but it aint happening. If you want someone to post more, vote their ass off. If they have a good role and are hiding, they'll sure as hell come out and defend and post a lot more. I am nost definately over reacting here, but this is just like the "smooth playing" rut we got into a few months back, where if you were labeled "smooth" you must be lynched and damn to the evidence. It's like people are afraid to vote. Look it's easy

vote Galain

Can I change this? yup. Is there a change people might follow because it looks like you are "coasting" and attacking low posters with no other reason than their post count? yup. Use your votes people. Use them early and often. It's how you get responses and reactions from others.

/end rant.

I actually partially agree with you here, and I apologize if I have been using the term coasting loosely. What I mean by it, especially with the Omtose case, is that there are multiple times when Omtose is AROUND, since he posts, but his posts aren't worth anything. He pretends to struggle with the vote, he pretends to discuss things that were long agreed upon. It's weird to me, and I think it's justified.

[Olar Ethil]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

If you'll notice I haven't voted yet. The reason for this is the vote has to be for the right reason and the right guy. My case on Ano was based on him trying to make us look upon him as a thief. He could be a thief, or he could be something more. The truth is I am not 100% confident on voting for him. Like I mentioned in a later post this lynch has to feel right.

I feel colder towards a HP lynch over an Ano lynch for example. There are a few players that are higher on my Nepeth list than others but with little to no content to go on I am not ready to place my vote. You think we'll win this game by letting the "coasters" keep on coasting?

No I don't, but thats what votes are for. Which you so kindly point out. Are you waiting around to see which inno train you can jump on?

This sealed it for me.

Vote Sukul Ankhadu