[Liosan]

Ok, I have to leave and my return will be with about an hour to spare before deadline. I'll drop the first vote of the day. If lynched, I hope Emur isn't someone who kills the first person on the train....

Vote Emurlahn

People are right about others coasting, D'riss, Omtose etc, I'm only voting the one who caught my eye the most. I will try my best to be back before lynch (I should be able to manage it) to see what has developed in the meantime.

[Galain]

Okay guys, really sorry but I'm getting called away from the computer.

I can 100% read the thread from my phone, but I won't be able to make a case on anyone if I find something specific because quote posting is challenging. I'll do a re-read while I'm away, and I promise I'll be around later today.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 8 hours and 49 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sukul Anandhu

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Emurlahn ( Liosan )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sukul Anandhu

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 05 January 2012 - 02:46 PM

[Emurlahn]

Liosan, on 05 January 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

People always hold their cards to their chest in faction games, but Emur's lack of real commitment to anything at all speaks of someone being extra careful, which of course piqued my interest.

Your big multi-quote didn;t seem to have any points that needed specific response, so I'll put it here.

My "lack of committment" as you put it, is surely no different from your own. What have you done? Pushing random people around, trying to get them lynched for nothing? Of course I'm being careful, that's how I play - saying stupid things will get you lynched just as quickly as revealing as a killer with 14 BPs.

Anybody can post quotes and state observations, hoping people will infer things on their own, which gives you deniability. That is a scum technique to get innos lynched.

[Hood's Path]

Present and reading

[JLV]

I'm sure you had an awesome point, but ehm... alted, please?

EDIT 2: awesome, I have teh powerrrrrrr on my main.

edit 3: Awesome, you caught it before I ran to do the same. Le sigh.

This post has been edited by JLV: 05 January 2012 - 03:35 PM

[Hood's Path]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

Liosan, on 05 January 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Ok, my suspicions are on Emurlahn. Now, before reading this, there is nothing earth shattering here, but given the overall skill of mafia players on this site, there seldom is. Here is what I found.

Emurlahn adds this in the middle of faction speculation by others, no really addressing what is going on.

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Well, we know that whatever has appeared in the market has to have been in someone's storage at the start, because no one's had time to make anything.
That helps figure some active roles.

Then he writes this in the middle of lynch/no lynch conversation. Again, it doesn't really address what's going on.

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

What are the CFs going to be like? Someone may have already asked this, but a quick scan didn't turn up the answer.

Here he comes on to lob an easy answer to Eloth's question about the snazzy armor comment.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

The armor is probably for a) a buff to a military unit -or- a required item to use an ability or make a certain thing, like in the workshop etc. Either way it suggests whoever posted the contract is military aspected.

As far as connecting that to Serc, it's a probable as calling Olar Ethil a Thief for stealing Korv's ice cream post.



EDIT: to remove an emoticon that somehow appeared in the middle of my text

Here is some "speculation", but nothing substansive or really opinionated.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

To further this thought, I am surprised no one has purchased any Weapons. This suggests to me that either the person that needs them has already spent their money on the Tax Collector title, or they haven't the funds required yet. I wonder who could have started with 15k denari

I realize that the Bazaar may seem secondary to the actual mafia playing, but it is interesting to me.

More of the same, with an apology for absence.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

Sorry I'm lagging, work is being a pain w/ RL drama overlapping, so if someone could just shoot me...


OK, we had a big night that brought non-Nepeth down by 4.

The Djinn looks like a game-buster, so I'm guessing it's not for this turn, but future use.

The armor contract is withdrawn - so that makes me think it was a tool to help get Serc lynched, seems like it worked.

This one interested me because he comes out of nowhere (hasn't posted for a while) and inserts agreement.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Yes, that makes sense to me.

Then his next comment is about the bazaar, much later.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

So prices on goods keep coming down and someone has bought weapons. Perhaps the Nepeth won't have such success with their next attack (or maybe they got stronger, who knows)

And here is his most substantial post IMO, which still doesn't really offer much of anything. Re-capping other's thoughts and making one observation in which he still doesn't wish to offer an opinion.

Emurlahn, on 05 January 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 46 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Serc, Sukul Anandhu, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Serc ( Kaschan, Galain, Omtose, Korvalain, D'riss, Hood's Path, Sukul Anandhu )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Eloth, Emurlahn, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Serc, Telas

Ok, here is the train, with the exception of Serc on the end with the self-vote.

Not sure how much we can learn from a Day 1 faction train, but there you go.

Kaschan is dead, believed to have been the victim of a game mechanic for starting the train on Serc. The other victims of Nepeth attacks were not present on the train. I won't guess if that is significant or coincidence, just mentioning it here.

Also, there were no other candidates being voted.

EDIT: last line

Yes, this is a faction game and people are tiptoeing carefully as a result, but we DO have a scum team of sorts that wants to stay hidden. Emur's posting reeks of helpful, non-confrontational play which doesn't offer much in the way of real information. It's middle of the road and serves to establish a presence, but that's basically it.

On my extensive catch up and read through I have absolutely no read on Emur.

Points out Olar's theft, Mentions Bazaar alot, theorises on armour, and weapons often.

Talks about bazaar and armour and weapons that is all.

He is non confrontational and is easily coasting through the game.

Anyone else think it looks a little suspicious how Sukul and Liosan who have both basically laid low without being bottom-posters so far both reacted almost the very same to the night events, then both hop on Emur with very similar arguments at practically the same time? Sukul isn"t so much replying to Liosan as saying the exact same things as Lio immediately after. His post doesn"t even seem aware that it has just quoted Lio and is written more like it should have been its own "now that I"ve read up on Emur" case. Looks to me like the two of them are coordinating with each other to build an anti-Emur case (though I doubt they really care who they target as long as it isn"t them) and have messed up a little in the presentation.

[Hood's Path]

Path-Shaper, on 05 January 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Since this is becoming part of the discussion (and since I have adressed this in a few PMs already, thus perhaps creating a situation where a few knew more than the remainder despite it being a general issue):

There is little guarantee that you'll get the same character in the next game that character appears in.

A lucky few might, especially if they did well and expressed they liked the character. But since this is going to be a series of games, I don't want meta entering it anymore than necessary.

If you automatically got the same character again, meta suddenly not just has a use to identify players and playstyles but it will also gain the additional benefit of identifying potential power players because their characters have returned (and by scrolling through previous SHs, you can easily read up on who had a few upgrades/ titles to their name).

Not to mention that players with new characters might automatically be relegated to playing newer, less advanced/powerful characters.

So yes, you might get your character back. If you like the one you gained, then by all means, play with the care that they might be yours again. I think that's truly awesome.

But no, you can't predict you will get that role again.

Wait, so all our role and activities and PM information is being posted in SH for everyone?

I thought it would all be kept secret so that we would be able to continue with our chars next game (and maybe only who activated what actions/markets would be revealed but nothing of the actual abilities' restrictions/mechanics), hence the bit in the sign-up thread about how you can keep track of workshop recipes (from your previous characters) to get a couple extra ones but Tapper wouldn't make a global listing of them after the game.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Hood, on 05 January 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

Liosan, on 05 January 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Ok, my suspicions are on Emurlahn. Now, before reading this, there is nothing earth shattering here, but given the overall skill of mafia players on this site, there seldom is. Here is what I found.

Emurlahn adds this in the middle of faction speculation by others, no really addressing what is going on.

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Well, we know that whatever has appeared in the market has to have been in someone's storage at the start, because no one's had time to make anything.
That helps figure some active roles.

Then he writes this in the middle of lynch/no lynch conversation. Again, it doesn't really address what's going on.

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

What are the CFs going to be like? Someone may have already asked this, but a quick scan didn't turn up the answer.

Here he comes on to lob an easy answer to Eloth's question about the snazzy armor comment.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

The armor is probably for a) a buff to a military unit -or- a required item to use an ability or make a certain thing, like in the workshop etc. Either way it suggests whoever posted the contract is military aspected.

As far as connecting that to Serc, it's a probable as calling Olar Ethil a Thief for stealing Korv's ice cream post.



EDIT: to remove an emoticon that somehow appeared in the middle of my text

Here is some "speculation", but nothing substansive or really opinionated.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

To further this thought, I am surprised no one has purchased any Weapons. This suggests to me that either the person that needs them has already spent their money on the Tax Collector title, or they haven't the funds required yet. I wonder who could have started with 15k denari

I realize that the Bazaar may seem secondary to the actual mafia playing, but it is interesting to me.

More of the same, with an apology for absence.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

Sorry I'm lagging, work is being a pain w/ RL drama overlapping, so if someone could just shoot me...


OK, we had a big night that brought non-Nepeth down by 4.

The Djinn looks like a game-buster, so I'm guessing it's not for this turn, but future use.

The armor contract is withdrawn - so that makes me think it was a tool to help get Serc lynched, seems like it worked.

This one interested me because he comes out of nowhere (hasn't posted for a while) and inserts agreement.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Yes, that makes sense to me.

Then his next comment is about the bazaar, much later.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

So prices on goods keep coming down and someone has bought weapons. Perhaps the Nepeth won't have such success with their next attack (or maybe they got stronger, who knows)

And here is his most substantial post IMO, which still doesn't really offer much of anything. Re-capping other's thoughts and making one observation in which he still doesn't wish to offer an opinion.

Emurlahn, on 05 January 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 46 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Serc, Sukul Anandhu, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Serc ( Kaschan, Galain, Omtose, Korvalain, D'riss, Hood's Path, Sukul Anandhu )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Eloth, Emurlahn, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Serc, Telas

Ok, here is the train, with the exception of Serc on the end with the self-vote.

Not sure how much we can learn from a Day 1 faction train, but there you go.

Kaschan is dead, believed to have been the victim of a game mechanic for starting the train on Serc. The other victims of Nepeth attacks were not present on the train. I won't guess if that is significant or coincidence, just mentioning it here.

Also, there were no other candidates being voted.

EDIT: last line

Yes, this is a faction game and people are tiptoeing carefully as a result, but we DO have a scum team of sorts that wants to stay hidden. Emur's posting reeks of helpful, non-confrontational play which doesn't offer much in the way of real information. It's middle of the road and serves to establish a presence, but that's basically it.

On my extensive catch up and read through I have absolutely no read on Emur.

Points out Olar's theft, Mentions Bazaar alot, theorises on armour, and weapons often.

Talks about bazaar and armour and weapons that is all.

He is non confrontational and is easily coasting through the game.

Anyone else think it looks a little suspicious how Sukul and Liosan who have both basically laid low without being bottom-posters so far both reacted almost the very same to the night events, then both hop on Emur with very similar arguments at practically the same time? Sukul isn"t so much replying to Liosan as saying the exact same things as Lio immediately after. His post doesn"t even seem aware that it has just quoted Lio and is written more like it should have been its own "now that I"ve read up on Emur" case. Looks to me like the two of them are coordinating with each other to build an anti-Emur case (though I doubt they really care who they target as long as it isn"t them) and have messed up a little in the presentation.

I did notice that we had similar views. The same with Galain agreeing with someone yesterday. Maybe we had the same views because in a read up you get to see exactly what we both saw. I've done a thorough catch up on every player so far, except you HP because you have far too many posts to sift through which isn't a complaint as I think you're working in our best interest. I've agreed with a lot of what you have said too. Have a look through Emur's posts and see what you come up with yourself. I bet you come up with the same conclusion I did. Or Liosan did. I'll add a couple more notes on people now and see what you think about them too seem as I have a minute or two.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Next up is D'riss


•points finger on ano regarding *steal* comment

•Agreed with Korvalian

•Votes serc due to no lynching theme

•away from thread often

This is my short working out to date. Nothing much, a little more on Emur seem as his was all about the armour and the weaponry. I'll dig out relevant quotes but there's nothing solid there to go after D'riss whereas I cannot shake the fact that Emur has done nothing but talk about, well, items.

[Hood's Path]

Korvalain, on 05 January 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

I think that apart from all the things already mentioned it is also noteworthy that the train on Serc picked up when HP changed his vote to him and thus removed his vote from Omtose, who was the only alternative to Serc that came up during day 1.

Now this, THIS is gold.

What Korv is saying here is that people were inclined to follow my vote onto Serc and what he is implying is that I am some sort of known role that other players know as if I were their faction leader in a typical merc game. I am not and they don"t and as far as I am aware there is no reason to think ANYONE in the game knows anyone else. But Korv doesn"t think so. To him the idea of another player knowing me isn"t unusual at all. If it was, he would have felt the need to explain it more thoroughly but he didn"t - he felt he could just point at the concept"s general direction and that everyone would get that.

Why does he subconsciously not bother to have to explain that? Well because he himelf does have role-PM knowledge of another character or even off-thread communications with them. To him its perfectly natural that that would be in this game, but for most of us I believe that is not the case and we would not so easily assume others would know what we are implying from pointing out a vague train shift following a vote switch.

Now who do you think would have knowledge or off-thread comms with another player? Well in most town v scum games it is the scum, whom the Nepeth most closely match. Going by the factions and roles of this game, it makes sense the Nepeth armies would be working together and so would know or talk to each other. But I don"t see much of a bond between merchants of various houses, khansmen of different clans, street orphans or an immortal Qadi. So if Korv has this knowledge, which I think he does, then he is Nepeth.

Vote Korvalain

[Tapper]

Hood, on 05 January 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 05 January 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Since this is becoming part of the discussion (and since I have adressed this in a few PMs already, thus perhaps creating a situation where a few knew more than the remainder despite it being a general issue):

There is little guarantee that you'll get the same character in the next game that character appears in.

A lucky few might, especially if they did well and expressed they liked the character. But since this is going to be a series of games, I don't want meta entering it anymore than necessary.

If you automatically got the same character again, meta suddenly not just has a use to identify players and playstyles but it will also gain the additional benefit of identifying potential power players because their characters have returned (and by scrolling through previous SHs, you can easily read up on who had a few upgrades/ titles to their name).

Not to mention that players with new characters might automatically be relegated to playing newer, less advanced/powerful characters.

So yes, you might get your character back. If you like the one you gained, then by all means, play with the care that they might be yours again. I think that's truly awesome.

But no, you can't predict you will get that role again.

Wait, so all our role and activities and PM information is being posted in SH for everyone?

I thought it would all be kept secret so that we would be able to continue with our chars next game (and maybe only who activated what actions/markets would be revealed but nothing of the actual abilities' restrictions/mechanics), hence the bit in the sign-up thread about how you can keep track of workshop recipes (from your previous characters) to get a couple extra ones but Tapper wouldn't make a global listing of them after the game.

That was my intention, but it has proven to be near impossible to keep track of things for me as a mod utilizing just P-S's inbox as a notebook and reference guide.

It might have been doable if I had either taken the time off required to run this game, or had prepared a very extensive excel that I'd mail from home and work when leaving the one for the other. As it stands, with the prep I put into it (which was already quite extensive), it proved impossible - I started out with an empty SH and only filled it yesterday with the last roles.

the one thing I will do per character is removing the unbought upgrades and replace them with new ones (as well as perhaps adressing home/ dinari production per role), so each character has 5 new tricks up their sleeves plus the ones they bought this game. Alternatively, I may delete the character roles from SH, but anyone copy/pasting them would have saved them. Other than having locked down SH for everyone who played, little else is possible... in game related off-thread comms, people can also share role PMs, after all.

It is really a compromise between utility, and i'm willing to look into new options to maintain some secrecy, but the first bit of the dynasty system proved a real impracticality.


correction italics. - T.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 05 January 2012 - 04:14 PM

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Quote

14 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Serc, Sukul Anandhu, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Serc ( Kaschan, Galain, Omtose, Korvalain, D'riss, Hood's Path, Sukul Anandhu )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Eloth, Emurlahn, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Serc, Telas

D'riss votes but Emurlahn does not.

I'm not saying that all the Nepeth will be away from the lynch train because they may be on there, but looking at the amount of people that didn't even lay a vote makes me feel that the Nepeth could be lying in amongst this crowd. Maybe they might be on the lynch train.

Low post count for people and no votes. That is hiding to the extreme. High Post counts and voting smacks more of looking for the Nepeth than the other.

We have to get this right today, otherwise tomorrow it could be 4 versus 3.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 7 hours and 23 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sukul Anandhu

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Emurlahn ( Liosan )
1 Vote for Korvalain ( Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Korvalain, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sukul Anandhu

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Hood, on 05 January 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 05 January 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

I think that apart from all the things already mentioned it is also noteworthy that the train on Serc picked up when HP changed his vote to him and thus removed his vote from Omtose, who was the only alternative to Serc that came up during day 1.

Now this, THIS is gold.

What Korv is saying here is that people were inclined to follow my vote onto Serc and what he is implying is that I am some sort of known role that other players know as if I were their faction leader in a typical merc game. I am not and they don"t and as far as I am aware there is no reason to think ANYONE in the game knows anyone else. But Korv doesn"t think so. To him the idea of another player knowing me isn"t unusual at all. If it was, he would have felt the need to explain it more thoroughly but he didn"t - he felt he could just point at the concept"s general direction and that everyone would get that.

Why does he subconsciously not bother to have to explain that? Well because he himelf does have role-PM knowledge of another character or even off-thread communications with them. To him its perfectly natural that that would be in this game, but for most of us I believe that is not the case and we would not so easily assume others would know what we are implying from pointing out a vague train shift following a vote switch.

Now who do you think would have knowledge or off-thread comms with another player? Well in most town v scum games it is the scum, whom the Nepeth most closely match. Going by the factions and roles of this game, it makes sense the Nepeth armies would be working together and so would know or talk to each other. But I don"t see much of a bond between merchants of various houses, khansmen of different clans, street orphans or an immortal Qadi. So if Korv has this knowledge, which I think he does, then he is Nepeth.

Vote Korvalain

Plus to mention where he is on the train, right in the middle, number four. That could be significant. How could he say that yours was the deciding vote when you're third from the end? It is the vote after Serc's initial defense that is the swinging vote or the vote that creates momentum. I didn't look to see whose that is though

[Hood's Path]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 January 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 05 January 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

I think that apart from all the things already mentioned it is also noteworthy that the train on Serc picked up when HP changed his vote to him and thus removed his vote from Omtose, who was the only alternative to Serc that came up during day 1.

Now this, THIS is gold.

What Korv is saying here is that people were inclined to follow my vote onto Serc and what he is implying is that I am some sort of known role that other players know as if I were their faction leader in a typical merc game. I am not and they don"t and as far as I am aware there is no reason to think ANYONE in the game knows anyone else. But Korv doesn"t think so. To him the idea of another player knowing me isn"t unusual at all. If it was, he would have felt the need to explain it more thoroughly but he didn"t - he felt he could just point at the concept"s general direction and that everyone would get that.

Why does he subconsciously not bother to have to explain that? Well because he himelf does have role-PM knowledge of another character or even off-thread communications with them. To him its perfectly natural that that would be in this game, but for most of us I believe that is not the case and we would not so easily assume others would know what we are implying from pointing out a vague train shift following a vote switch.

Now who do you think would have knowledge or off-thread comms with another player? Well in most town v scum games it is the scum, whom the Nepeth most closely match. Going by the factions and roles of this game, it makes sense the Nepeth armies would be working together and so would know or talk to each other. But I don"t see much of a bond between merchants of various houses, khansmen of different clans, street orphans or an immortal Qadi. So if Korv has this knowledge, which I think he does, then he is Nepeth.

Vote Korvalain

Plus to mention where he is on the train, right in the middle, number four. That could be significant. How could he say that yours was the deciding vote when you're third from the end? It is the vote after Serc's initial defense that is the swinging vote or the vote that creates momentum. I didn't look to see whose that is though

My vote was actually pretty early (2nd or 3rd I think) but PS missed it and tagged it on near the end.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Oh okay. Well, i'll be back a couple of hours before timeout. This is the part of the day that gets really hectic for me.

[Emurlahn]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 05 January 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

Next up is D'riss


•points finger on ano regarding *steal* comment

•Agreed with Korvalian

•Votes serc due to no lynching theme

•away from thread often

This is my short working out to date. Nothing much, a little more on Emur seem as his was all about the armour and the weaponry. I'll dig out relevant quotes but there's nothing solid there to go after D'riss whereas I cannot shake the fact that Emur has done nothing but talk about, well, items.

Now this is a bit much. First you symp 'ol Liosan a bit, high fiving his BS case. I held my peace on that, and sure enough, HP comes along and calls you out for it. You respond to him, you agree with Lio, with HP, with whoever...still trying to point at me.

Then this post, seeming to discuss D'riss, but then - "Oh I can't make a case on D'riss, but let me draw you to this one over here on Emur again" And I ask whar have you talked about, that was your own idea or whatever? Nothing that inspires me, anyway.

And even as I type this I see you continue your attack in another post. I didn't vote? Big deal, neither did 5 other people. Nepeth may be on the train, they may be off, you don't know - All based on nothing in the way of evidence.

[Olar Ethil]

Back and Catching up.

[Olar Ethil]

Liosan, on 05 January 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Ok, my suspicions are on Emurlahn. Now, before reading this, there is nothing earth shattering here, but given the overall skill of mafia players on this site, there seldom is. Here is what I found.

Emurlahn adds this in the middle of faction speculation by others, no really addressing what is going on.

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Well, we know that whatever has appeared in the market has to have been in someone's storage at the start, because no one's had time to make anything.
That helps figure some active roles.

Then he writes this in the middle of lynch/no lynch conversation. Again, it doesn't really address what's going on.

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

What are the CFs going to be like? Someone may have already asked this, but a quick scan didn't turn up the answer.

Here he comes on to lob an easy answer to Eloth's question about the snazzy armor comment.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

The armor is probably for a) a buff to a military unit -or- a required item to use an ability or make a certain thing, like in the workshop etc. Either way it suggests whoever posted the contract is military aspected.

As far as connecting that to Serc, it's a probable as calling Olar Ethil a Thief for stealing Korv's ice cream post.



EDIT: to remove an emoticon that somehow appeared in the middle of my text

Here is some "speculation", but nothing substansive or really opinionated.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

To further this thought, I am surprised no one has purchased any Weapons. This suggests to me that either the person that needs them has already spent their money on the Tax Collector title, or they haven't the funds required yet. I wonder who could have started with 15k denari

I realize that the Bazaar may seem secondary to the actual mafia playing, but it is interesting to me.

More of the same, with an apology for absence.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

Sorry I'm lagging, work is being a pain w/ RL drama overlapping, so if someone could just shoot me...


OK, we had a big night that brought non-Nepeth down by 4.

The Djinn looks like a game-buster, so I'm guessing it's not for this turn, but future use.

The armor contract is withdrawn - so that makes me think it was a tool to help get Serc lynched, seems like it worked.

This one interested me because he comes out of nowhere (hasn't posted for a while) and inserts agreement.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Yes, that makes sense to me.

Then his next comment is about the bazaar, much later.

Emurlahn, on 04 January 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

So prices on goods keep coming down and someone has bought weapons. Perhaps the Nepeth won't have such success with their next attack (or maybe they got stronger, who knows)

And here is his most substantial post IMO, which still doesn't really offer much of anything. Re-capping other's thoughts and making one observation in which he still doesn't wish to offer an opinion.

Emurlahn, on 05 January 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 January 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 46 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Serc, Sukul Anandhu, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Serc ( Kaschan, Galain, Omtose, Korvalain, D'riss, Hood's Path, Sukul Anandhu )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Eloth, Emurlahn, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Serc, Telas

Ok, here is the train, with the exception of Serc on the end with the self-vote.

Not sure how much we can learn from a Day 1 faction train, but there you go.

Kaschan is dead, believed to have been the victim of a game mechanic for starting the train on Serc. The other victims of Nepeth attacks were not present on the train. I won't guess if that is significant or coincidence, just mentioning it here.

Also, there were no other candidates being voted.

EDIT: last line

Yes, this is a faction game and people are tiptoeing carefully as a result, but we DO have a scum team of sorts that wants to stay hidden. Emur's posting reeks of helpful, non-confrontational play which doesn't offer much in the way of real information. It's middle of the road and serves to establish a presence, but that's basically it.

The same could be said for you, and this analysis. You didn't really say anything, just basically reposted his posts and explained what they were saying. You then go on to vote him for being middle of the road. I think YOU, sir are also being middle of the road while attempting to look like you are doing something. That seems more like scum play than Emur, to me. (yeah yeah symping emur rabble rabble)