[Morgoth]

Yeah, just saw it. It shocks me to say I fully agree with Apt.

I called it when the trailer came out. It did spoiler all the important bits.

[Illuyankas]

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 05 June 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

Aptorius, on 03 June 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

The thing I would have really liked in this film would have been professional scientists acting like they are actually the best in their field.

Remember that old film Sphere from around 98 or 99? That's what I wanted. Cool, calculating analyses of the situation, the threat, the cultural and scientific implications. Not the crew of Jersey Shore in Space.

Have the scientists have discussions with the dumber ship crew over lunch in a 20 minute long scene that fills in the audience on everything the could possibly need to know by having them translate hyper clever gibberish into layman's terms. Then have an Alien eat the ship.

The Sphere is such a good film.

Illuyankas, on 05 June 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

Went to see it with the lady, enjoyed it even if I was a little disappointed with parts of it.

Spoiler

The Engineer's genetic structure 2000 years ago is identical to ours currently? Like, an exact match?

The medical pod stapled and sealed shut both uterus and abdomen without the correct programming, hell, just it not being programmed for female patients was stupid, even if it was for Weyland only. Not to mention the insane amounts of running and exertion Shaw did after that. Also not injecting her stomach with painkillers until AFTER being cut open. It was a gripping if nonsensical scene, for me.

The Engineer's language never changed over the millenia between seeding their language on Earth and being revived in the future?

Fifield having effectively flawless skin - and actual facial hair remaining! - and intact eyes! - after having his helmet melted onto his face, I mean seriously now.

I wish wearing an 80's sunvisor and a plastic colander on your head let you see people's dreams in real life.

RUN DIAGONALLY YOU IDIOTS THE ONLY COMPANY VICKERS IS QUALIFIED TO BE CEO OF NOW IS INTERNATIONAL HOUSE OF PANCAKES

It looked great and had some excellent acting, it just had some iffy plot points. The Captain's got game, though.

The lack of diagonal running was a killer it really was. Though as others have said Charlize Theron is yummy.

Im not a massive alien fan. Ive seen all the films on a fair few occasions but there are people on here better qualified to answer these questions.

If the Space Jockey/Engineer they find in the original film is sitting on the gun chair how does that fit with him getting up and chasing Noomi Rapace and getting killed by the giant Face Hugger?

I always thought that xenomorph evolution went Queen lays eggs-face huggers lay eggs in humans/creatues- Xenomorphs yet in this one its a giant facehugger that gets an Engineer that seem to give birth to a standard Xenomorph, unless thats a queen that just wasnt shown in the original? Can the normal Xenomorphs become queens after a time?

Was the black goo stuff simply alien DNA that was going to corrupt the humans or something more?
These questions may seem odd/obvious and its been a while since ive watched the original films but I remember thinking it didnt make that much sense especially the Space Jockey from the original being seated.

This is a different heavenly body to the one from Alien, LV246 or whatever. The doomjars and the actual Aliens (and probably humanity, since this is a sci-fi movie after all) are clearly both supposed to be bioweapons made by the Engineers and then both possibly dumped somewhere after their whole live and let live policy.

[tiam]

Its really just the evolution thing and the Engineer sitting in the gun then going for a wander yet still being in the gun in the original 1979 version that bothers me. If its just a mistake then so be it but if theres a proper explanation id like to know.

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[Illuyankas]

Like I just posted, it's a different planet entirely to the movie Alien. Different Engineer, different gun/pilot seat, different ship. STOP IGNORING MY POSTS

[masan's saddle]

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 06 June 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

Its really just the evolution thing and the Engineer sitting in the gun then going for a wander yet still being in the gun in the original 1979 version that bothers me. If its just a mistake then so be it but if theres a proper explanation id like to know.

With regards to the Engineer I don't think it's the same one that is Alien. It's not the same planet for a start and the fact Shaw and David bugger off in another Engineer craft at the end ? (which may contain other Engineers in stasis), who knows. It may be that the next movie will follow on with this ship crashing on LV 426.

[Illuyankas]

masan, on 07 June 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

With regards to the Engineer I don't think it's the same one that is Alien. It's not the same planet for a start and the fact Shaw and David bugger off in another Engineer craft at the end ? (which may contain other Engineers in stasis), who knows. It may be that the next movie will follow on with this ship crashing on LV 426.

Illuyankas, on 06 June 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

Like I just posted, it's a different planet entirely to the movie Alien. Different Engineer, different gun/pilot seat, different ship. STOP IGNORING MY POSTS

[masan's saddle]

masan, on 02 June 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

...I understand there is the whole "Alien" mythos to respect and in that regard it sort of worked and sets up nicely for another film (the planet Prometheus takes place on is NOT LV426).

Illuyankas, on 07 June 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

masan, on 07 June 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

With regards to the Engineer I don't think it's the same one that is Alien. It's not the same planet for a start and the fact Shaw and David bugger off in another Engineer craft at the end ? (which may contain other Engineers in stasis), who knows. It may be that the next movie will follow on with this ship crashing on LV 426.

Illuyankas, on 06 June 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

Like I just posted, it's a different planet entirely to the movie Alien. Different Engineer, different gun/pilot seat, different ship. STOP IGNORING MY POSTS

Indeed

[Illuyankas]

Hell, stop ignoring your posts too! INCLUDING YOU, ME

[Morgoth]

I just can't get over how retarded the characters were in this movie.

[QuickTidal]

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 05 June 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

Aptorius, on 03 June 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

The thing I would have really liked in this film would have been professional scientists acting like they are actually the best in their field.

Remember that old film Sphere from around 98 or 99? That's what I wanted. Cool, calculating analyses of the situation, the threat, the cultural and scientific implications. Not the crew of Jersey Shore in Space.

Have the scientists have discussions with the dumber ship crew over lunch in a 20 minute long scene that fills in the audience on everything the could possibly need to know by having them translate hyper clever gibberish into layman's terms. Then have an Alien eat the ship.

The Sphere is such a good film.

What?!

What? What? What?

Maybe it's cause the book is so damned good, but SPHERE the movie is a writhing piece of vile garbage...to me...

oh and others...as it holds a 12% rating at RT.

Sorry for chiming in, that people liked SPHERE the film astounded me is all.

Carry on.

Oh and I'm seeing PROMETHEUS this Friday at the drive-in so I'll properly weigh in after that.

[Mezla PigDog]

I saw the movie on Tuesday. As a stand alone movie, it was quite good fun but it doesn't stand up to the plot and storytelling of Alien - not taking into account any tie in with the plot, I just mean in terms of quality. I didn't give a shit if they all died. What a rank bunch of bloody amateurs!! They're going to a planet to investigate what they already seem to hypothesize will be occupied by rather advanced genetic engineers and they don't quarantine?!? They take their helmets off?!?! They have sex after being exposed to potential biological *stuff*?!?! Daniel even manages to get it up after what, 3 bottles of champagne?!!! Running around after a Caesarean. Jesus H Christ! With David poking around they could have easily come up with a crafty plot that didn't require them all to be fucking morons. Gah, and to think what their idiocy put Ellen Ripley through!!

Anyway, the best bit had to be when that Geologist dude had spider walked back to the ship after his face melted. Creepy as fuck!!

The worst bit had to be after Geologist and Biologist had made themselves look smart by saying "Where's the life form? West? We'll go East" they then go: "Oooh, look at the creepy snake alien, let's play with it!"

[A Demon Llama!]

Spoilers ahead obviously

Alright, I just finished watching the movie and would like to say a few things. This might take long, i don't know. First of allI want to say that this movie is enjoyable if it was its own thing, but since it aint, I wasn’t too happy with it. I am a big Alien fan and was shaking my head throughout the damned movie. I will agee that i felt nothing for the characters, didnt give two fucks about any of em. The dialogue was lacking, and there was a shit ton of really stupid decision being made by pretty much everyone. The movie had a good concept but it was porly executed. Gonna start rambling on now….

I knew the movie was gonna be good when i was greeted by a pale, nude alien eating a fucken pomegranate which promptly died since apparently the fruit wasn't ripe or something. Awesome, so much for mystery and shit like that. Practically nonexistent in this movie. Then we cut to an archeological dig finding some crude cave drawing with some vital world changing info. How original. This whole movie should have started with Prometheus flying through space. That dig was unnecessary. A mission briefing would have been sufficient. Many scenes in my opnion could have been removed. Ok, so they land on the ship, walk into that structure and them take of their helmets cause why the fuck not. Two weird ass scientists just run away for no goddamned reason and get lost. Really? Wasn’t the whole area mapped, howd they get lost? Couldn’t they think of some better way of these two bastards to stay on this ship? Maybe fall through a hole or something. Anyway, David magically knows how to open all the doors, an they do their own thing. Now we get a inconvenient storm heading from a pretty convenient direction for everyone to do some epic running away.

Theron contributes nothing to this movie, apart from burning that poor feller. Weyland is alive? Oh shit I am fucken shocked. I guess the whole reasoning of him being there made sense, and actuially gave the movie some good purpose. Also, WTF is with the hard boiled eggs as controls on the ship? Am I supposed to take that seriously? What wrong with standard buttons or even the bullshit glowing glyphs from before.

I like how the aliens in this movie are supposed to be early prototypes of the xenomorph and facehugger, but I think they should have resembled them a bit more, mostly the octopus. Obv they didn’t evolve themselves but were engineered since the more advanced ones were being transported on the ship from alien on LV 426. There are so many stages of these buggers also… Why?

- They are held in jars in the form of caviar

- If you eat said caviar you get sick and die (or eat a lot and die fast), but can impregnate a female which then grows an octopus

- Dropped caviar will yield snake like creatures that attack the shit of anyone near them

- Once the octopus emerges it grows to a super large size in order to make sneak attacks to the face a lot easier

- Then the octopus impregnates a host again (like the facehugger)

- xenomorph gets born

Eaten caviar by male > sex with female > octopus birth > octopus rape > alien xenomorph

Seems like a bit too much from me, and also pretty retarded.

I assumed that the reason that the engineers were sending out these aliens to earth was for experimentation. In order to fine tune these alien things so they can be used against their own kind. Im not gonna mention the running at the end, or how that derelict ship is rolling. Plus, why did Fieferd or w.e his name is go apeshit? How did he not die? Why did he become super strong and gain spiderman like powers? WHY?! That was so unnecessary. I waited until the credits were over for something. There was nothing. I wouldn’t have been surprised if it was Ridley Scott at the end there giving everyone the finger. I actually would have enjoyed that.

I think I didn’t like this movie as much as I thought it would be closer to Alien. With the dark, suspenseful feeling and mystery surrounding the creatures, planet and whatnot. Maybe I will like the movie more the next time I watch it by trying to be more open minded.

I dont think theres anyone who actually read any of this nonsensical gibberish but I just wanted to say it. Im sure im missing a lot and il be sure to enlighten the one person (probably just me) that actually read this with more insightful insights.

[tiam]

A Demon Llama!, on 08 June 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Eaten caviar by male > sex with female > octopus birth > octopus rape > alien xenomorph

I was really struggling with the evolution to Xenomorph myself (see upthread) but now I have it written down as a reference. Cheers

[QuickTidal]

Saw it. Really enjoyed it. Great Mad Scientist / archeological scifi, along a different branch of the ALIEN tree and kind of headed in the other direction (as Shaw and David head off further towards the Engineeer's planet/home at the end to go further up the god chain.

My only comments to you lot is...STOP CONCENTRATING ON THE SCIENCE AND ENJOY THE FUCKING MOVIE!!!



Seriously. If every damn scientific, and common sense plot point was followed logically in every damned movie...MOVIES WOULD BE BLOODY BORING!



that is all.

and I disagree with everything Apt said.

Life is balanced.

Ciao!

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Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 05 June 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

Aptorius, on 03 June 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

The thing I would have really liked in this film would have been professional scientists acting like they are actually the best in their field.

Remember that old film Sphere from around 98 or 99? That's what I wanted. Cool, calculating analyses of the situation, the threat, the cultural and scientific implications. Not the crew of Jersey Shore in Space.

Have the scientists have discussions with the dumber ship crew over lunch in a 20 minute long scene that fills in the audience on everything the could possibly need to know by having them translate hyper clever gibberish into layman's terms. Then have an Alien eat the ship.


The Sphere is such a good film.


What?!

What? What? What?

Maybe it's cause the book is so damned good, but SPHERE the movie is a writhing piece of vile garbage...to me...

oh and others...as it holds a 12% rating at RT.

Sorry for chiming in, that people liked SPHERE the film astounded me is all.

Carry on.

Oh and I'm seeing PROMETHEUS this Friday at the drive-in so I'll properly weigh in after that.

I'm sorry, but I have to agree: Sphere was a ridiculously bad movie. And the book was meh as well. (IMDB score wasn't good either, 5,8)

I saw Prometheus last week, loved it, great atmosphere, impressive special effects. And the cast was good enough for me.

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[QuickTidal]

Something pointed out by Lindelof in an interview. PROMETHEUS will benefit you with repeat viewings and he already noted something that bears weight that I glossed over in my viewing...

the engineer they found has been dead 2000 years...that was when they were headed to earth to destroy us...so what did we do 2000 years ago to piss these beings off that they wanted to wipe us out? A good question.

He noted that Ridley likes ambiguity and liked leaving stuff a bit open ended...and Lindelof actually said to him "I'm still eating shit a year after LOST ended for leaving too many "loose ends", are you sure you want to do this?" and Ridley apparently said "I'd rather leave things ambiguous than spell it out for everyone."

interesting.

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[Garak]

Meh, it's more likely that the Engineers just wanted to use us as guinea pigs for their bioweapons (since that was clearly a prototype). I wasn't very impressed by the film in all honesty and when Shaw was using the operating table in order to get the space squid out of her (and the dumb machine forgot anesthetics) I was rolling a will save in order not to laugh. Plus, it was nice of her to warn people not to just stroll into that separate module life pod, cause there was an alien squid she gave birth to in there .... oh wait these characters barely talk to one another, never mind. Oh, and how the hell did that squid grow to be so huge? I mean, shouldn't it need to eat something in order to do that? Or does the surgical machine thing also offer a killer BBQ?

And I facepalmed when biologist and geologist dudes died like brain dead lemmings - Vickers didn't even deserve a facepalm it was so dumb. Speaking geologist dude, what the hell happened to him? He died from the faceplate melting on his face so why was he acting like he was possessed? And why was his corpse in that weird ass position in front of the ship? Let's not even mention the idiocy of finding a corpse in front of your ship out of the damn blue and your only reaction is to prod it with your foot - instead of wondering how the hell did it get there? Also biologist dude (yeah, I can't remember their names, they were that damn interesting) died when that snake thing (we called it something else btw) crawled into his mouth and proved survival of the fittest does tend to eliminate the ones to dumb to live. So then what? Did they recover the body of not - the scene was confusing as hell. And if they did recover the body then why didn't he give birth to a xenomorph or something? I mean the guy that gets an alien in him does nothing but the other dude turns into a zombie thing? How does that make a lick of sense?

Also Weyland. So what was the old guy smoking anyway? Just because an alien race created you doesn't mean they can magically make you immortal or that they'd be inclined to do so - otherwise they might have done so to begin with. Eh, I guess he was senile. The whole finding your creators theme was just shoved down our throats with the same subtlety as a facehugger doing it's thing (oddly appropriate but still annoying after five minutes).

And what is it with people finding xenos scribbles or whatever and instantly assuming it's an invitation. Chances are almost 100% it's actually a warning to stay the fuck away or a trap.

And Shaw wanted to go to the Engineer homeworld to find out why they didn't kill us in the end? Facepalm again, it was probably because judging by the pile of Engineer corpses we see, their containment protocols for insanly dangerous bioweapons they were dumb enough to make are about as good as Wayland and Umbrella Corps. In her place I would have gone to their homeworld and just dumped their own bioweapon on their heads "You want to genocide us or something? Well, let me return the favor."

And what was up with the pointless intro scene? Oh and the head scene was just pure stupid. "Science" aside (if I can go with 40k, I can roll with anything) what moron goes "What is that on his head? Oh, I know let's trick it into thinking it's alive and see what happens! Who needs samples to test first anyways?" The whole thing looked like what my D&D group would do for laughs, which makes those scientists look like idiots. They might as well have cackled and laughed maniacally while they were at it.

Edit: And I just noticed how many paragraphs I started with the word And.

Edit 2: The only thing that got a bigger WTF out of me then those stupid scenes was when a friend of mine went "Fuck, this is a horror. I'm going to have nightmares." And the man plays Tyranids for Pete's sake.

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[QuickTidal]

Garak, on 09 June 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Oh, and how the hell did that squid grow to be so huge? I mean, shouldn't it need to eat something in order to do that? Or does the surgical machine thing also offer a killer BBQ?

It's bioengineered, thus it doesn't need to conform to the normal scientific growth rates or need for sustenance, it could be like multiplying nanobots...we don't know.

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And I facepalmed when biologist and geologist dudes died like brain dead lemmings - Vickers didn't even deserve a facepalm it was so dumb. Speaking geologist dude, what the hell happened to him? He died from the faceplate melting on his face so why was he acting like he was possessed? And why was his corpse in that weird ass position in front of the ship?

If you watched, after his faceplate is melted onto his face and he falls down his head lands in the primordial goo, thus he ends up getting infected via the holes in his melted faceplate...and then sort of mutating and then goes on the attack.

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Also biologist dude (yeah, I can't remember their names, they were that damn interesting) died when that snake thing (we called it something else btw) crawled into his mouth and proved survival of the fittest does tend to eliminate the ones to dumb to live. So then what? Did they recover the body of not - the scene was confusing as hell. And if they did recover the body then why didn't he give birth to a xenomorph or something? I mean the guy that gets an alien in him does nothing but the other dude turns into a zombie thing? How does that make a lick of sense?

I thought it made perfect sense. His body was not recovered, as what they find is a shell, and whatever that thing was that went down his throat either killed him, or gestated in him further and burst out...you will notice his chest and stomach are totally wrecked when they find him...he wasn't becoming zombie anything form that destruction. It makes sense because the Engineer installation was not just breeding and bioengineering one thing, all those cannisters probably represented thousands of different permutations of primordial life, so what happened to one guy won't necessarily happen to the next. they were merely two different outcomes of two different mad scientist ooze experiments. It's why they are set into thousands of cannisters instead of one giant vat.

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Also Weyland. So what was the old guy smoking anyway? Just because an alien race created you doesn't mean they can magically make you immortal or that they'd be inclined to do so - otherwise they might have done so to begin with. Eh, I guess he was senile. The whole finding your creators theme was just shoved down our throats with the same subtlety as a facehugger doing it's thing (oddly appropriate but still annoying after five minutes).

In his TED talk when he was younger (in the viral material) Weyland talks about God and Prometheus and how making artificial life was the next step ect. He's a superstitious man (Vickers even said this at one point) and even in his speech to the crew about David he talks about David not having a "soul", he's got faith and religion while being totally scientific. We don't know that they could not fix him...since they invented his genetic code, who's to say they couldn't fix him? Clearly the Engineer's themselves have some way of staying the same for long periods of time genetically. Just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean the answer does exist further up the food chain. That's the kind of thing Peter Weyland believed in. I found the search for our origins to be the most compelling aspect of the film, especially with David's seeming view of the mission as folly of the highest order that doesn't compute to him. He's there to be our disbelief in what Weyland is doing.

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And what is it with people finding xenos scribbles or whatever and instantly assuming it's an invitation. Chances are almost 100% it's actually a warning to stay the fuck away or a trap.

Dude, this is human nature. As a race on this planet we think we know everything and that ANYTHING the ancients did, or even aliens would do has to do specifically with us. It's hubris. It's like how we assume that AI would war against us and destroy us...when in actuality the notion of rising up against our creators is a HUMAN one, not any other. So yeah, if those patterns were found around the planet like that, I can DEFINITELY believe that we would be idiot enough to think it's an invitation. You are giving the human race more credit to be benevolent than we have. We are idiots, and would do that shit in a heartbeat.

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And Shaw wanted to go to the Engineer homeworld to find out why they didn't kill us in the end?

Huh? No. That's not why she went there at all. It was in the script. She went there to find out why they WERE coming to kill us. They were stopped by their creation turning on them, but they WERE 2000 years ago going to come to earth and wipe us out. She went to find out why. What did we do 2000 years in the past that prompted them to want to destroy their creation.

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And what was up with the pointless intro scene?

I'm afraid I don't see how it was pointless. It showed us that the Engineer's seeded life on our planet by infusing themselves as the incubator to the life they bioengineered and letting it destroy them to create the birth needed for us to begin to evolve. The life spark. It was to show that. I don't know why you feel that's pointless as it's integral to the notion that the engineers made us and how they had to do it.

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Oh and the head scene was just pure stupid. "Science" aside (if I can go with 40k, I can roll with anything) what moron goes "What is that on his head? Oh, I know let's trick it into thinking it's alive and see what happens! Who needs samples to test first anyways?" The whole thing looked like what my D&D group would do for laughs, which makes those scientists look like idiots. They might as well have cackled and laughed maniacally while they were at it.

Again, I think you give humans too much credit. There hasn't been a thing made on this planet that people in higher positions didn't choose to fuck around with stupidly. Splitting the atom? Yeah that for starters.

Sorry you didn't like it, but I thought I could shed some light on how I saw those things you had issues with.

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[Werthead]

What is a bit weird is that they were coming to destroy us 2,000 years ago but then...never did. We never see why the Engineers stopped what appeared to be the take-off sequence and went into suspended animation instead. If the black goo stuff had really malfunctioned and created monsters which were wiping out all the space jockeys, why the hell didn't they get out of dodge?

Overall, the film was an overwhelmingly impressive visual spectacle with excellent performances (Idris Elba improves everything he's in by about 10% just by showing up) but lacked much in the way of logical coherence. The film simply didn't make much sense in a lot of places. Also, the score was so insanely bombastic in some scenes I thought it was the DOCTOR WHO guy doing it.

[Garak]

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It's bioengineered, thus it doesn't need to conform to the normal scientific growth rates or need for sustenance, it could be like multiplying nanobots...we don't know.

Eh, I guess I can roll with that. It just bugs me that it went from squid size to rhino size so fast.

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If you watched, after his faceplate is melted onto his face and he falls down his head lands in the primordial goo, thus he ends up getting infected via the holes in his melted faceplate...and then sort of mutating and then goes on the attack.

Eh I admit I don't recall where he fell. Still going all zombie was just didn't work for me. Plus why on Earth was he waiting outside the ship in that position? Did he get bored and decided to try to be a contortionist for lulz? It felt random.

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I thought it made perfect sense. His body was not recovered, as what they find is a shell, and whatever that thing was that went down his throat either killed him, or gestated in him further and burst out...you will notice his chest and stomach are totally wrecked when they find him...he wasn't becoming zombie anything form that destruction. It makes sense because the Engineer installation was not just breeding and bioengineering one thing, all those cannisters probably represented thousands of different permutations of primordial life, so what happened to one guy won't necessarily happen to the next. they were merely two different outcomes of two different mad scientist ooze experiments. It's why they are set into thousands of cannisters instead of one giant vat.

So if biology guy did give birth to something then why didn't it show up? I guess you can make a case of there being no point to it but still. It felt like a letdown. And I thought they kept them in different canisters for ease of dispersal over multiple target zones. Having various forms of biological genocide monsters just sounds insanely dumb since what would work to stop one variant might be useless against another in which you are so screwed it's not even funny. Not saying I can't imagine people doing it just saying that I can read the signs of "This will blow up in our face horribly" better than these guys.

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In his TED talk when he was younger (in the viral material) Weyland talks about God and Prometheus and how making artificial life was the next step ect. He's a superstitious man (Vickers even said this at one point) and even in his speech to the crew about David he talks about David not having a "soul", he's got faith and religion while being totally scientific. We don't know that they could not fix him...since they invented his genetic code, who's to say they couldn't fix him? Clearly the Engineer's themselves have some way of staying the same for long periods of time genetically. Just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean the answer does exist further up the food chain. That's the kind of thing Peter Weyland believed in. I found the search for our origins to be the most compelling aspect of the film, especially with David's seeming view of the mission as folly of the highest order that doesn't compute to him. He's there to be our disbelief in what Weyland is doing.

Yeah I know he talked about our origins in the begging - btw the way people treated David (you got no soul, it's good you can't be disappointed, why wear a suit since you don't breathe etc.) was just asking for it. While we don't know what the Engineers can do (beside aliens that rape your face - seriously who was the asshole scientist that came up with that one?) it still felt like one hell of a logic jump to think they can cure you dying of old age. I get it that it's faith but ... maybe it's because I'm not religious but it just sounds like wishful thinking. Imagine his face if instead of ripping David's head off, the Engineer had instead told him "Accept death as it's perfectly natural" or "No. I just don't feel like it." Then again I always thought the the whole purpose of life, who made us and why thing to be the type of thing where finding the answer would be like taking a brick to the face since the answer would probably be "No reason. Just because." Neither do I like it when a story tries this as I prefer not knowing our origin. It's the motive of the Reapers it Mass Effect, I didn't want to know why the Mech Cthulhu were doing what they were doing - something so beyond my comprehension should not have reason I can fathom (or maybe it should if I follow the logic of "It's nothing special")

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Dude, this is human nature. As a race on this planet we think we know everything and that ANYTHING the ancients did, or even aliens would do has to do specifically with us. It's hubris. It's like how we assume that AI would war against us and destroy us...when in actuality the notion of rising up against our creators is a HUMAN one, not any other. So yeah, if those patterns were found around the planet like that, I can DEFINITELY believe that we would be idiot enough to think it's an invitation. You are giving the human race more credit to be benevolent than we have. We are idiots, and would do that shit in a heartbeat.

Oh I realize it's human nature and we are morons but still (some asshat however seems to have programed David to much like us since he asks Shaw if she never wanted to see her father dead). I would at least expect someone to go "Hey this sounds a horror movie I saw. What say you all we bring a shitload of guns with us just in case. And let's not split up and open doors like a bunch of noobs." I hate horror movies where the protagonist are genre blind to the point of to dumb to live (case in point biologist dude playing with the alien snake thing, you don't do that with wild animals on our planet let alone an alien). And I never said we are benevolent. To quote Scrubs "Humans are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling". Which is why I was baffled by the lack of adequate firepower (one flamer, a few pistols and one rifle do not make an arsenal for dealing with unknown xenos). Granted I always thought that the only sane way to have a first contact would be to have a team of diplomats/ scientist and back them up with an ammount of firepower so overkill it wouldn't be funny in a million years (and put the sane army guy in command, not general trigger happy I want my medals).

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Huh? No. That's not why she went there at all. It was in the script. She went there to find out why they WERE coming to kill us. They were stopped by their creation turning on them, but they WERE 2000 years ago going to come to earth and wipe us out. She went to find out why. What did we do 2000 years in the past that prompted them to want to destroy their creation.

Doesn't she say toward the end they were coming to kill us but changed their minds and she wants to know why? As for their original motive: who cares? They wanna kills, fine let's see which species is capable of being the bigger asshole (we'd win hands down more than likely). Plus if the only reason they didn't wipe us out was because they contracted Umbrella Corps for their containment procedures, then they would probably just kill her on sight (like the Engineer did to David and the rest of the contact team), thus why go anywhere near them if not to send them to hell?

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I'm afraid I don't see how it was pointless. It showed us that the Engineer's seeded life on our planet by infusing themselves as the incubator to the life they bioengineered and letting it destroy them to create the birth needed for us to begin to evolve. The life spark. It was to show that. I don't know why you feel that's pointless as it's integral to the notion that the engineers made us and how they had to do it.

Eh I didn't get that from the intro seeing as his DNA was unraveling. Also why I understand the theme of sacrifice to create life, couldn't they come up with a better way that didn't involve that guy committing suicide? Between that, the unprovoked aggression of that one Engineer and creating the xenomorphs, our creators are assholes. Go figure. Also a friend of mine asked why did that guy just kill David and co instead of playing along and then murdering everyone in their sleep. Meh, guess he thought it pointless to waste time.

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Again, I think you give humans too much credit. There hasn't been a thing made on this planet that people in higher positions didn't choose to fuck around with stupidly. Splitting the atom? Yeah that for starters.

Nah, as stated I know we are idiots but those two didn't even take a sample for study first. I mean come on that just basic logic. I'm sure the guys who split the atom had theories first and didn't just go "hey I think I can split an atom? really? yeah, watch *boom*"

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Sorry you didn't like it, but I thought I could shed some light on how I saw those things you had issues with.

To each his own. You make valid points and I guess what truly upset me was that the crew was so uninteresting and genre blind. It felt like it was just David, Shaw and a bunch of redshirts when it really shouldn't have. There was much potential there and I felt the movie fell flat.