Mockra, on 05 December 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:
Ok. The network here at work is going in and out, so I apologize for the wait. I'm Ashikaga Mitsuharu, son of Ashikaga Masamoto. My orders say that I have a special mission from the Shogun to investigate radical elements in the Eastern provinces. There is even a warning that this mission may appear to my father that I am betraying him. This made more sense to me as the game has progressed, as the OP and most of the death scenes have indicated some kind of internal betrayal or suspicion of betrayal. My best guess from this was that any info passed to Masamoto about my alignment would be wrong. I have a single vig that I cannot use until I've "successfully eliminated half of the Hojo clan plotting against the Ashikagas." I assume this means one killer has to die before I can use my action.
I didn't anticipate that Masamoto would actually be a finder, I thought it more likely that a finder would pass his results onto Masamoto, but either way I knew if Masamoto got find results on me I was toast. I've been trying to stay alive until endgame since otherwise the vig and my role are wasted but I thought I had a pretty good chance of making it. Since no one has countered Emur's reveal I assume he must really be Masamoto, which would make sense because he thinks I'm "plotting against his authority", as he said. My role was double-edged in that a vig could save the game for town in the end but the odds of me getting to use it were fairly slim.
Mostly I'm concerned that like he said, a wrong lynch and NK puts us at D-Day tomorrow, and I can't see the point of speed lynching so early in the day when it could put us in such a bad spot. If anything I'd say let's at least wait some hours until timeout is closer to give me a chance to make a case on another target. I never got to do the read-through on Anomander that I wanted but right now we basically have no other targets besides myself. Waiting before you lynch me at least until everyone gets a chance for some discussion seems prudent but instead we have half of players just jumping on the train... That worries me more than anything - stuff like Spite appearing from nowhere and laying down a vote after days and days of nothing.
Anyway, I assume that Emur is revealing in good faith, although I found it extremely odd how hard he tried to make a case on me. If anything I say at least use the day to our advantage before testing the reveal.
i just cant bring myself to believe this counter reveal.
Seems like something you made up to try and counter a find.
PS had to know that putting the kind of role that you propose into the game potentially gives scum 2 free nights if the finder had to do a find on this "son" of his and it gave a false positive.
We would HAVE to lynch you...because we have a find.
And the we would be forced to lynch the finder for faking it?
All the while both are inno?
If this is the case then surely the role should not have been kept a so much of a secret?
I would like to think that a low TMDI game should not have something that is so heavily favorable to the scum.
It forces our hand, and it would be the setup of the games fault and not our own.
Gone are the days of all the possible roles being put forth in the thread by PS...tut tut
anyways....as far as i am concerned our hands are pretty much tied.
Best thing we can do is test both of your claims.
And if you indeed are this son you speak of and you do come out as innocent.
Then we should consider not lynching ehmur afterwards.
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