[Atrahal]

Ok, awake and caught up. So everyone has checked in I see, and we still lack content from Omtose and Meanas, both of whom have 1 post early after the game started. If we don't hear from them before the lynch today, I think some extra prodding will be required.

I looked over Thyr again, and I think that is a worthy train as well. I agreed he doesn't say much and seems to spend most of his time perpetuating or exhibiting confusion, a great way to look like a blundering inno. Also, the fact that not only did he not remove his vote from Kesso, but that he didn't even respond to Kesso's retort is suspicious. Frankly, I still find them both (Kesso and Thyr) suspicious, so I'll hold on Kesso for now.

[Tennes]

Anomandaris, on 29 November 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

i find it very hard to believe someone would accidently post in the thread a pm to pathshaper. Has that ever happened before that anyone can remember?

i have done this.
and had to ninja edit..

[Anomandaris]

Tennes, on 29 November 2011 - 10:49 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 29 November 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

i find it very hard to believe someone would accidently post in the thread a pm to pathshaper. Has that ever happened before that anyone can remember?

i have done this.
and had to ninja edit..

really? was it something incriminating?

edited to fix smilie

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 29 November 2011 - 10:51 AM

[Atrahal]

Tennes, on 29 November 2011 - 10:49 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 29 November 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

i find it very hard to believe someone would accidently post in the thread a pm to pathshaper. Has that ever happened before that anyone can remember?

i have done this.
and had to ninja edit..

I usually post in my Malazan site login by accident... adrenaline rush when that happens

[Tiamatha]

Anomandaris, on 29 November 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

i find it very hard to believe someone would accidently post in the thread a pm to pathshaper. Has that ever happened before that anyone can remember?

It's easy to do, you have two tabs open and flicking between the two. It's like posting in your own alt when you've been on the forum and have been switching between them both. It is conceivable that he has done it, otherwise, what else did he mean by it? I can't fathom a reason you would purposefully post that unless you are willing to get lynched and in that situation you'd be taking one for your team members. This situation didn't call for that, no one was about to be lynched and we had plenty of time.

[Tennes]

Tiamatha, on 29 November 2011 - 10:52 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 29 November 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

i find it very hard to believe someone would accidently post in the thread a pm to pathshaper. Has that ever happened before that anyone can remember?

It's easy to do, you have two tabs open and flicking between the two. It's like posting in your own alt when you've been on the forum and have been switching between them both. It is conceivable that he has done it, otherwise, what else did he mean by it? I can't fathom a reason you would purposefully post that unless you are willing to get lynched and in that situation you'd be taking one for your team members. This situation didn't call for that, no one was about to be lynched and we had plenty of time.

yea sometimes i have like 5 tabs open very easy to confuse.

[Tennes]

Anomandaris, on 29 November 2011 - 10:50 AM, said:

Tennes, on 29 November 2011 - 10:49 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 29 November 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

i find it very hard to believe someone would accidently post in the thread a pm to pathshaper. Has that ever happened before that anyone can remember?

i have done this.
and had to ninja edit..

really? was it something incriminating?

edited to fix smilie

if i remember correctly it was a message to a lover cant remember what it said but it was fairly obvious.
no one saw...

[Atrahal]

No one has commented yet on PS's mid-day storyline. I was wondering if we have to work with a communicating network of scum (since it talks about Hojo sending out messages). Does anyone think that Hojo is a hidden identity running the show with anonymous messages? I was just remembering that final game of Ro3K where we had the anonymous messaging directing fellow faction members (and yes, I know this is a town vs scum game, so don't give me shit about bringing up factions).

And it seems like town may have a new role with the introduction of Masamoto.

[Tennes]

yea that message was a bit strange...


I actually have no idea whats going on there. Your guess is as good as mine

[Atrahal]

Sigh...gotta go to work. See you guys this evening.

[Tennes]

well.....the convo died rather abruptly

[Rashan]

Atrahal, on 29 November 2011 - 10:56 AM, said:

No one has commented yet on PS's mid-day storyline. I was wondering if we have to work with a communicating network of scum (since it talks about Hojo sending out messages). Does anyone think that Hojo is a hidden identity running the show with anonymous messages? I was just remembering that final game of Ro3K where we had the anonymous messaging directing fellow faction members (and yes, I know this is a town vs scum game, so don't give me shit about bringing up factions).

If they can talk, it is killer to killer, as usual. P-S mentioned that this wouldn't be TMDI Skyhigh and communications are really tough to deal with in balance. To me, a killer pair consisting of Hojo and maybe the Ise guy also somehow in there (he was mentioned as a schemer and opposed to Ashikaga Minamoto in the inn-scene in the OP - Ise was another province close to Hojo lands, iirc, so he's perhaps a bit more also than a blank role).

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And it seems like town may have a new role with the introduction of Masamoto.

Ehm, why would a role be introduced halfway day 1? Once again, Ashikaga Masamoto has been mentioned several times already and is likely our main man concerning actions, hence the emphasis being placed on him in stories. If you see the 'send more men!' plea he does to the shogun as an action, well, perhaps it is an indication that he can promote RIs to more effective roles (aka he's a Teacher).

Anyhow, back to my meeting.

[Tiamatha]

Okay, Tennes you make a good point and your case is strongest yet.

Thyrllan slipped up and hasn't helped town by staying silent.

Kessobahn defended himself, in my opinion pretty well from Galain's case

But taking HP in to account with his case then the way you put it makes me think Kesso could be scum. I don't see anything wrong with Galain or Atrahal's case so for it to be attacked by a player that has not been around all game makes me lean towards a Kesso vote.

However, if HP was a symp then maybe he purposefully voted for Atrahal to look like he was symping Kesso when actually he was relieving pressure from Thyrllan.

I am around and will hold off my vote for now.



Remove vote

[Tiamatha]

Rashan, on 29 November 2011 - 11:39 AM, said:

Ehm, why would a role be introduced halfway day 1? Once again, Ashikaga Masamoto has been mentioned several times already and is likely our main man concerning actions, hence the emphasis being placed on him in stories. If you see the 'send more men!' plea he does to the shogun as an action, well, perhaps it is an indication that he can promote RIs to more effective roles (aka he's a Teacher).

Anyhow, back to my meeting.

I was thinking about that. The only thing I could think of was that if a RI voted for the right scum player then maybe they get a boost or something, but that just seems ridiculous. I think your way makes more sense

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This game (and the entire Warring States series) will feature the succession mechanic. This is not a new mechanic to mafia, but will be used liberally and with differing results based on what is/has taken place. People without roles initially stand the chance to gain roles based on how the game progresses. Even if you start the game as RI, you may not end it as RI. Sometimes it will be obvious from your role PM that you are likely in a line of succession. Sometimes it will fall on you as if out of the blue.

If the Shogun did have a power then maybe this is it, and the person receiving the power or gift would not know where it came from.

[Galain]

Kessobahn, on 29 November 2011 - 04:44 AM, said:

iz back

I see there's a case on me. Oh joy.

Galain says that i'm conscious of attention. maybe. but I get hammered nearly every game for playing "too scummy", so I tend to be wary of what I say, and try to keep play my cards close to chest. I suppose i'm not direct enough to please the confrontational types-woe is me and all that.

wrt to Spite: I genuinely think he's an obstinate inno. sorry if that wasn't clear.


as for the suggestion that I deflected away from the rolespec accusation, the tone of that particular post did not suggest you were throwing it out as a serious accusatoin. in fact, i'll post it again, just to keep in in context:

Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

Galain, on 28 November 2011 - 07:56 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

i dunno, are you the shogun?

he's the only one I can see having a power to execute,

*Siren starts sounding*

OUT OF THE BLUE ROLE SPEC ALERT, OUT OF THE BLUE ROLE SPEC ALERT! (For maximum effect imagine someone saying this with the inflection of the person who says "Time for tubby bye-byes" on the Teletubbies and the excitement of someone commentating on a horse race).

never seen teletubbies.

and if you think I seriously suggested that the Shogun role would have the power to 1-vote lynch.... i'd say youre taking paranoia a step too far.

My point was not that you were seriously suggesting that the shogun has 1-vote lynch power, but rather that you were deliberately throwing out something that would get classified as role speculation about the Shogun so you could take advantage of people's beliefs about how people who discuss roles are likely to have them. The absurdity of the speculation is what fuels my assertion - if you were doing some real role-speculation, you'd have come up with something that was vaguely plausible.

I take your point that I could have been slightly more direct in pressuring you about it, but nevertheless feel that there's something to what you threw out there.

[Tennes]

Tiamatha, on 29 November 2011 - 11:42 AM, said:

Okay, Tennes you make a good point and your case is strongest yet.

Thyrllan slipped up and hasn't helped town by staying silent.

Kessobahn defended himself, in my opinion pretty well from Galain's case

But taking HP in to account with his case then the way you put it makes me think Kesso could be scum. I don't see anything wrong with Galain or Atrahal's case so for it to be attacked by a player that has not been around all game makes me lean towards a Kesso vote.

However, if HP was a symp then maybe he purposefully voted for Atrahal to look like he was symping Kesso when actually he was relieving pressure from Thyrllan.

I am around and will hold off my vote for now.



Remove vote

HP could also be trying to take the heat off of Thyr....but i think an easier way of doing that would have been to go allong with the other train and pile on to the Kessoh train instead of going after Atrhal out of the blue.

[Emurlahn]

Anomandaris, on 29 November 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

i find it very hard to believe someone would accidently post in the thread a pm to pathshaper. Has that ever happened before that anyone can remember?

Yes.

[Emurlahn]

It looks like we have two hours and 40 minutes left. I'm leaving my vote where it is, on thyrllan, for a bit. I'm willing to switch to kesso in order to get a vote for the day. I'm hoping people get on... we're not that close to a lynch.

[Galain]

As Tennes said, HP's behaviour does look very suspicious. Here's his post:

Hood, on 29 November 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:

So after going over the thread. Abit not with a fine tooth comb. But still I did read most everything. To my eyes this two posts are the most suspicious all game. When I see something like two people who just happen to make cases on the same person and post them a little while after each other. It seems to me that it smacks of people who can talk off thread agreeing that they need to go after ________ then both of them going after that same person at the same time. Of course they will say that Kesso was scummy enough to trip both of their radar at the same time. But none the less posting cases like this trips my radar.

*snipping his quotation of Atrahal and my posts*

He claims to have read everything, but then doesn't even discuss the merits of the cases Atrahal and myself have presented. It's almost as if the contents of the cases are irrelevant to him. I agree with Tennes' analysis that there's good chance he's a symp...either an inexperienced one trying to defend a master or a more experienced one trying to deflect.

This tips the scales slightly more in favour of a Kessobahn lynch in my eyes, although as I said previously I'm more than willing to lynch Thyrllan for his evasiveness and inability to address anyone's questions.

[Tiamatha]

What are we standing at with votes? Is it 5 to Kesso and 3 to Thyrllan?