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I shall be here for a bit, though I'm also doing crazy things like flashing my BIOS that don't lend themselves to playing Mafia at the same time. Going to have a reread through the thread, as there are a few players that did things that stuck out to me and I'd like to get my head round them. Hopefully we'll hear something from the "just checking in" brigade in the mean time.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:20 AM
I personally don't like all of the vote jumping this first day. I'm good with the initial joke votes (despite creating a haven for signaling), but just voting when someone tickles the other's fancy: counter-productive. Right now, Kesso is catching my attention with posts like this:
He tends to start with the promise of insight but ends up getting sidetracked by distractions such the similar avatars of Rashan and Mockra, or Spite's penchant to vote like a bored inno with nothing to lose. He's very involved, but not altogether that helpful. Even the couple of summaries help more than him....
I would like to point out that Emur called him out, asking him what HE thought, to which Kesso hemmed and hawed (such as with the quote above). Who are you planning to vote for Kesso. I see you haven't put one down yet (not that it seems to mean much in this game
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precisely. when skimming the thread to try to locate a relevant point, we rely on the avatars to easily identify the poster. it is an incredibly useful shortcut that allows us to focus on analyzing a point, and constructing elaborate case around it. it's much harder to do so, when the you go though a 20-post conversation, between players with the identicad "dark, with a spot of colour in the laft portion" avatars. Made me spend my limited attention onfiguring out who made what point, making us read the poster's name, as well as looking at the avatar... well, oyu get the picture.
He tends to start with the promise of insight but ends up getting sidetracked by distractions such the similar avatars of Rashan and Mockra, or Spite's penchant to vote like a bored inno with nothing to lose. He's very involved, but not altogether that helpful. Even the couple of summaries help more than him....
I would like to point out that Emur called him out, asking him what HE thought, to which Kesso hemmed and hawed (such as with the quote above). Who are you planning to vote for Kesso. I see you haven't put one down yet (not that it seems to mean much in this game
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:30 AM
Well, it is a much better avatar.
Ok, well, I've gotta go to bed. Shitty family business let me only get 4 hours of sleep last night, so I'm not at my peak. Catch you all in the morning, afternoon, evening....whatever.
Ok, well, I've gotta go to bed. Shitty family business let me only get 4 hours of sleep last night, so I'm not at my peak. Catch you all in the morning, afternoon, evening....whatever.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:31 AM
I've got to bug out for the night and I don't think that I will be back on before night times out. Most likely a lynch will have gone through before then anyway. I have my inital reactions to a few people so most likely I'm wrong and they are all innos. So based on that logic I should pick someone that I have absolutely no read on and go with it. Osseric, Tiamatha or Meanas maybe?
I'll leave my vote where it's at on the off chance I will be able to log in later tonight but if not then there is at least a vote out there to be used or abused.
I'll leave my vote where it's at on the off chance I will be able to log in later tonight but if not then there is at least a vote out there to be used or abused.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:34 AM
Spite, on 29 November 2011 - 12:31 AM, said:
I've got to bug out for the night and I don't think that I will be back on before night times out. Most likely a lynch will have gone through before then anyway. I have my inital reactions to a few people so most likely I'm wrong and they are all innos. So based on that logic I should pick someone that I have absolutely no read on and go with it. Osseric, Tiamatha or Meanas maybe?
I'll leave my vote where it's at on the off chance I will be able to log in later tonight but if not then there is at least a vote out there to be used or abused.
I'll leave my vote where it's at on the off chance I will be able to log in later tonight but if not then there is at least a vote out there to be used or abused.
What about HP, Omtose, and Ruse? Do you have a feel on the non-posters? Tennes? It's too early to have feels on people, except the few highest posters.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 01:11 AM
OK, so here's a case on Kessobahn for you all to digest:
don't care if ppl call it symping, that is one bitchin' avatar.
Here we have evidence that Kessobahn is very conscious about the possibility of someone thinking he was a symp. This makes me think he's worried about early attention.
i dunno, are you the shogun?
he's the only one I can see having a power to execute,
This is some very deliberate role spec. It doesn't feel like a genuine question or attempt to start a discussion, but rather a crude way of laying claim to the "First to mention the Shogun role" crown. My suspicion is that he is hoping that he will benefit from the "he who smelt it dealt it" principle that people often apply to role spec - eg. the one who talks about it is that role. But doing something this crude is going to draw the attention of the killers. That is, unless he is one of the killers himself and can therefore do something like this without drawing the NK.
It was noticeable that when I initially pointed it out (admittedly in a slightly jokey fashion), he proceeded to focus on the teletubbies instead.
This question doesn't feel right. Kesso should have been willing to put forth an opinion of his own here. People had commented on the situation beforehand but not said anything explicit, so he didn't have a handy opinion lying around that he could use to blend into the crowd. When he's called on it, his answer is as on-the-fence as can be:
As others have pointed out, this is very unsatisfactory answer to Emurlahn's reversal of his question. The opinion of the thread has not coalesced, so neither has his. I get the impression that he wants to put pressure on Spite, but doesn't think it will go down too well. Remember that some scum players find it a lot harder to come up with hypotheses of their own because they know that any cases they make aren't correct. It feels a bit like Kessobahn wants to pretend to be more suspicious of Spite here, but doesn't really believe it himself...it's possible that he fits into the category I've just described.
Of all the players, Kessobahn has said and done the most things that feel off to me (as I've documented above). However, I'm still deeply suspicious of Thyrllan - the way he has deliberately avoided responding to any questions feels very dodgy. So he would be my #2 choice at the moment.
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Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:
Thyrllan, on 28 November 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:
No. No! I refuse to play a role that is 2 words and 14 syllables long.
don't care if ppl call it symping, that is one bitchin' avatar.
Here we have evidence that Kessobahn is very conscious about the possibility of someone thinking he was a symp. This makes me think he's worried about early attention.
Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:
Spite, on 28 November 2011 - 07:45 PM, said:
*snip*
i dunno, are you the shogun?
he's the only one I can see having a power to execute,
This is some very deliberate role spec. It doesn't feel like a genuine question or attempt to start a discussion, but rather a crude way of laying claim to the "First to mention the Shogun role" crown. My suspicion is that he is hoping that he will benefit from the "he who smelt it dealt it" principle that people often apply to role spec - eg. the one who talks about it is that role. But doing something this crude is going to draw the attention of the killers. That is, unless he is one of the killers himself and can therefore do something like this without drawing the NK.
It was noticeable that when I initially pointed it out (admittedly in a slightly jokey fashion), he proceeded to focus on the teletubbies instead.
Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 09:12 PM, said:
do we think Spite warrants any attention for his quadruple hard-on for Rashan?
This question doesn't feel right. Kesso should have been willing to put forth an opinion of his own here. People had commented on the situation beforehand but not said anything explicit, so he didn't have a handy opinion lying around that he could use to blend into the crowd. When he's called on it, his answer is as on-the-fence as can be:
Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:
I never like single-mindedness in mafia.
if this was Day 2, i'd say Spite was a finder who looked at rash night 1. As it stands, well,he professes that it ware joke votes, then he votes Rash again.
it could easily be an obstinbate inno move (those are fairly common), or it could be smth more....
apologies if i'm taking time to respond, I have a lot of schoolwork to catch up on.
if this was Day 2, i'd say Spite was a finder who looked at rash night 1. As it stands, well,he professes that it ware joke votes, then he votes Rash again.
it could easily be an obstinbate inno move (those are fairly common), or it could be smth more....
apologies if i'm taking time to respond, I have a lot of schoolwork to catch up on.
As others have pointed out, this is very unsatisfactory answer to Emurlahn's reversal of his question. The opinion of the thread has not coalesced, so neither has his. I get the impression that he wants to put pressure on Spite, but doesn't think it will go down too well. Remember that some scum players find it a lot harder to come up with hypotheses of their own because they know that any cases they make aren't correct. It feels a bit like Kessobahn wants to pretend to be more suspicious of Spite here, but doesn't really believe it himself...it's possible that he fits into the category I've just described.
Of all the players, Kessobahn has said and done the most things that feel off to me (as I've documented above). However, I'm still deeply suspicious of Thyrllan - the way he has deliberately avoided responding to any questions feels very dodgy. So he would be my #2 choice at the moment.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 01:30 AM
I have a major issue with Thyrllan, currently. I think the lack of pressure will lead to him not being around/responding to enquiries until after the deadline. I'll be around for a while longer, and my sleep schedule should wake me up right before the deadline, so I'll be here.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:13 AM
Ok I am here and starting to get caught up.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:02 AM
So after going over the thread. Abit not with a fine tooth comb. But still I did read most everything. To my eyes this two posts are the most suspicious all game. When I see something like two people who just happen to make cases on the same person and post them a little while after each other. It seems to me that it smacks of people who can talk off thread agreeing that they need to go after ________ then both of them going after that same person at the same time. Of course they will say that Kesso was scummy enough to trip both of their radar at the same time. But none the less posting cases like this trips my radar.
Atrahal, on 29 November 2011 - 12:20 AM, said:
I personally don't like all of the vote jumping this first day. I'm good with the initial joke votes (despite creating a haven for signaling), but just voting when someone tickles the other's fancy: counter-productive. Right now, Kesso is catching my attention with posts like this:
He tends to start with the promise of insight but ends up getting sidetracked by distractions such the similar avatars of Rashan and Mockra, or Spite's penchant to vote like a bored inno with nothing to lose. He's very involved, but not altogether that helpful. Even the couple of summaries help more than him....
I would like to point out that Emur called him out, asking him what HE thought, to which Kesso hemmed and hawed (such as with the quote above). Who are you planning to vote for Kesso. I see you haven't put one down yet (not that it seems to mean much in this game )
Vote Kessobahn
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precisely. when skimming the thread to try to locate a relevant point, we rely on the avatars to easily identify the poster. it is an incredibly useful shortcut that allows us to focus on analyzing a point, and constructing elaborate case around it. it's much harder to do so, when the you go though a 20-post conversation, between players with the identicad "dark, with a spot of colour in the laft portion" avatars. Made me spend my limited attention onfiguring out who made what point, making us read the poster's name, as well as looking at the avatar... well, oyu get the picture.
He tends to start with the promise of insight but ends up getting sidetracked by distractions such the similar avatars of Rashan and Mockra, or Spite's penchant to vote like a bored inno with nothing to lose. He's very involved, but not altogether that helpful. Even the couple of summaries help more than him....
I would like to point out that Emur called him out, asking him what HE thought, to which Kesso hemmed and hawed (such as with the quote above). Who are you planning to vote for Kesso. I see you haven't put one down yet (not that it seems to mean much in this game
)Vote Kessobahn
Galain, on 29 November 2011 - 01:11 AM, said:
OK, so here's a case on Kessobahn for you all to digest:
don't care if ppl call it symping, that is one bitchin' avatar.
Here we have evidence that Kessobahn is very conscious about the possibility of someone thinking he was a symp. This makes me think he's worried about early attention.
i dunno, are you the shogun?
he's the only one I can see having a power to execute,
This is some very deliberate role spec. It doesn't feel like a genuine question or attempt to start a discussion, but rather a crude way of laying claim to the "First to mention the Shogun role" crown. My suspicion is that he is hoping that he will benefit from the "he who smelt it dealt it" principle that people often apply to role spec - eg. the one who talks about it is that role. But doing something this crude is going to draw the attention of the killers. That is, unless he is one of the killers himself and can therefore do something like this without drawing the NK.
It was noticeable that when I initially pointed it out (admittedly in a slightly jokey fashion), he proceeded to focus on the teletubbies instead.
This question doesn't feel right. Kesso should have been willing to put forth an opinion of his own here. People had commented on the situation beforehand but not said anything explicit, so he didn't have a handy opinion lying around that he could use to blend into the crowd. When he's called on it, his answer is as on-the-fence as can be:
As others have pointed out, this is very unsatisfactory answer to Emurlahn's reversal of his question. The opinion of the thread has not coalesced, so neither has his. I get the impression that he wants to put pressure on Spite, but doesn't think it will go down too well. Remember that some scum players find it a lot harder to come up with hypotheses of their own because they know that any cases they make aren't correct. It feels a bit like Kessobahn wants to pretend to be more suspicious of Spite here, but doesn't really believe it himself...it's possible that he fits into the category I've just described.
Of all the players, Kessobahn has said and done the most things that feel off to me (as I've documented above). However, I'm still deeply suspicious of Thyrllan - the way he has deliberately avoided responding to any questions feels very dodgy. So he would be my #2 choice at the moment.
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Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:
Thyrllan, on 28 November 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:
No. No! I refuse to play a role that is 2 words and 14 syllables long.
don't care if ppl call it symping, that is one bitchin' avatar.
Here we have evidence that Kessobahn is very conscious about the possibility of someone thinking he was a symp. This makes me think he's worried about early attention.
Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:
Spite, on 28 November 2011 - 07:45 PM, said:
*snip*
i dunno, are you the shogun?
he's the only one I can see having a power to execute,
This is some very deliberate role spec. It doesn't feel like a genuine question or attempt to start a discussion, but rather a crude way of laying claim to the "First to mention the Shogun role" crown. My suspicion is that he is hoping that he will benefit from the "he who smelt it dealt it" principle that people often apply to role spec - eg. the one who talks about it is that role. But doing something this crude is going to draw the attention of the killers. That is, unless he is one of the killers himself and can therefore do something like this without drawing the NK.
It was noticeable that when I initially pointed it out (admittedly in a slightly jokey fashion), he proceeded to focus on the teletubbies instead.
Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 09:12 PM, said:
do we think Spite warrants any attention for his quadruple hard-on for Rashan?
This question doesn't feel right. Kesso should have been willing to put forth an opinion of his own here. People had commented on the situation beforehand but not said anything explicit, so he didn't have a handy opinion lying around that he could use to blend into the crowd. When he's called on it, his answer is as on-the-fence as can be:
Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:
I never like single-mindedness in mafia.
if this was Day 2, i'd say Spite was a finder who looked at rash night 1. As it stands, well,he professes that it ware joke votes, then he votes Rash again.
it could easily be an obstinbate inno move (those are fairly common), or it could be smth more....
apologies if i'm taking time to respond, I have a lot of schoolwork to catch up on.
if this was Day 2, i'd say Spite was a finder who looked at rash night 1. As it stands, well,he professes that it ware joke votes, then he votes Rash again.
it could easily be an obstinbate inno move (those are fairly common), or it could be smth more....
apologies if i'm taking time to respond, I have a lot of schoolwork to catch up on.
As others have pointed out, this is very unsatisfactory answer to Emurlahn's reversal of his question. The opinion of the thread has not coalesced, so neither has his. I get the impression that he wants to put pressure on Spite, but doesn't think it will go down too well. Remember that some scum players find it a lot harder to come up with hypotheses of their own because they know that any cases they make aren't correct. It feels a bit like Kessobahn wants to pretend to be more suspicious of Spite here, but doesn't really believe it himself...it's possible that he fits into the category I've just described.
Of all the players, Kessobahn has said and done the most things that feel off to me (as I've documented above). However, I'm still deeply suspicious of Thyrllan - the way he has deliberately avoided responding to any questions feels very dodgy. So he would be my #2 choice at the moment.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:03 AM
Emurlahn, on 29 November 2011 - 02:43 AM, said:
You take forever.
i kept getting interrupted while i was posting
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:37 AM
Well as I am about to go to bed.
Vote Atrahal
Him and Galain are the two most suspicious to me so far.
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Him and Galain are the two most suspicious to me so far.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 04:44 AM
iz back
I see there's a case on me. Oh joy.
Galain says that i'm conscious of attention. maybe. but I get hammered nearly every game for playing "too scummy", so I tend to be wary of what I say, and try to keep play my cards close to chest. I suppose i'm not direct enough to please the confrontational types-woe is me and all that.
wrt to Spite: I genuinely think he's an obstinate inno. sorry if that wasn't clear.
as for the suggestion that I deflected away from the rolespec accusation, the tone of that particular post did not suggest you were throwing it out as a serious accusatoin. in fact, i'll post it again, just to keep in in context:
*Siren starts sounding*
OUT OF THE BLUE ROLE SPEC ALERT, OUT OF THE BLUE ROLE SPEC ALERT! (For maximum effect imagine someone saying this with the inflection of the person who says "Time for tubby bye-byes" on the Teletubbies and the excitement of someone commentating on a horse race).
never seen teletubbies.
and if you think I seriously suggested that the Shogun role would have the power to 1-vote lynch.... i'd say youre taking paranoia a step too far.
I see there's a case on me. Oh joy.
Galain says that i'm conscious of attention. maybe. but I get hammered nearly every game for playing "too scummy", so I tend to be wary of what I say, and try to keep play my cards close to chest. I suppose i'm not direct enough to please the confrontational types-woe is me and all that.
wrt to Spite: I genuinely think he's an obstinate inno. sorry if that wasn't clear.
as for the suggestion that I deflected away from the rolespec accusation, the tone of that particular post did not suggest you were throwing it out as a serious accusatoin. in fact, i'll post it again, just to keep in in context:
Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:
Galain, on 28 November 2011 - 07:56 PM, said:
Kessobahn, on 28 November 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:
i dunno, are you the shogun?
he's the only one I can see having a power to execute,
he's the only one I can see having a power to execute,
*Siren starts sounding*
OUT OF THE BLUE ROLE SPEC ALERT, OUT OF THE BLUE ROLE SPEC ALERT! (For maximum effect imagine someone saying this with the inflection of the person who says "Time for tubby bye-byes" on the Teletubbies and the excitement of someone commentating on a horse race).
never seen teletubbies.
and if you think I seriously suggested that the Shogun role would have the power to 1-vote lynch.... i'd say youre taking paranoia a step too far.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 04:58 AM
It is Day 1, 10 hours and 10 minutes are left in the day.
17 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan, Tiamatha
9 votes to lynch, 9 to go to night.
1 vote Galain: Rashan
1 vote Tennes: Tiamatha
2 votes Rashan: Spite, Mockra
1 vote Thyrllan: Emurlahn
1 vote Mockra: Osseric
3 votes Kesso: Thryllan, Atrahal, Galain
1 vote Atrahal: Hood's Path
17 Players still alive,
Players not voting
Anomandaris, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Tennes
17 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Spite, Tennes, Thryllan, Tiamatha
9 votes to lynch, 9 to go to night.
1 vote Galain: Rashan
1 vote Tennes: Tiamatha
2 votes Rashan: Spite, Mockra
1 vote Thyrllan: Emurlahn
1 vote Mockra: Osseric
3 votes Kesso: Thryllan, Atrahal, Galain
1 vote Atrahal: Hood's Path
17 Players still alive,
Players not voting
Anomandaris, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Tennes
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
