[Isa]

So instead of prepping for next week's seminars I've spent my day drawing a Jaghut, or what might hopefully pass for a Jaghut. I've been through at least 5 options for the eyes, in my head they're all yellow but I can't get it to look half decent without the iris. Any suggestions? I had a look-around and saw that most people have drawn them with the iris but I've probably missed something.

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That certain passage with Hood in tCG has me thinking the tusks should probably be bigger but it just doesn't seem functional....

Feedback appreciated as always!

[sappers rule]

always imagined them having boar tusks/elephant tusks otherwise great job!

[Sinisdar Toste]

I think those tusks could easily rip some face, but if you really wanna up the brutality factor, a few extra inches couldn't hurt

Looks really great though, well done

[tiam]

Very good but as others have said they have larger tusks. Even Icariums Jhag tusks are probably larger than that

Still very good though

[worry]

Yah, I'd say the flaw with those tusks is that you've put them in a human mouth. You've just gotta make the Jaghut less human for it to make sense.

[Isa]

Bigger tusks it is
But I believe boar tusks are too curled, and pig tusks are angled outwards, both of which require a snout if you want to have any use of them/ avoid stabbing yourself in the eye. They'd probably have to be angled front and to the side. Michael Komarck's take on Raest was pretty awesome but he had a convenient angle as far as giant tusks are concerned



Yeah I think you're right worrywort, That or an epic underbite...




Edit;

Ok, where are we now with size?
The positioning works for me but maybe that's just because I know how I'm thinking

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This post has been edited by Isolde: 25 September 2011 - 10:02 PM

[Sinisdar Toste]

i think that size is probably just about right. any bigger and sneezing could become dangerous

[Dolmen 2.0]

I like it , You've seen Komarcks version and taken a stance about it.

in that regard I'd suggest a few things...

The feel of the tusks also explain the character of the jaghut. Imagine a line up of Hood, Gothos, Icarium and the huntress. Their tusks would contrast greatly right? I take this to be a random Jaghut? if it is I'd imagine it to be old and wizened by harsh living etc thats the only common trait all jaghut have. I think you could show the wear on both the face and the Tusks more. On the face a light skein of wrinkles about the brow and a thickening of Eybrows could take you a loooong way.

I love the broken lip. the tusks you had in the first image showed a likely occurance. Tusks break in nature all the time. In regards to wear and tear google up old male african elephants. Their tusks are worn down more often than chipped or broken. This comes from digging and fighting. Jaghut I take it actually eat/Bite with their tusks so the wear down over the years should be considerable. Irregular grooves could help gnarl them up a bit. I'd instinctively say thicker and less pointy.

[Abyss]

While size-wise the second is more in line with the concept, i really liked the broken tip on the left in the first version. The cut lip is a nice touch too.

The logistics of the tusks are tricky. If you look at the obvious examples of animals that have them, wild boar, hippo and walrus tusks just seem to shove the lips out of the way and eventually form a 'crease'. elephnats have a whole other mouth structure that wouldn't anthorpomorphize well i suspect.

Without some practical adaptation, i imagine jaghut would drool a lot, which messes with the image of the race somewhat.

[Isa]

Sinisdar Toste, on 26 September 2011 - 05:10 AM, said:

i think that size is probably just about right. any bigger and sneezing could become dangerous

Likely, yes

Dolmen, on 26 September 2011 - 08:05 AM, said:

I like it , You've seen Komarcks version and taken a stance about it.

in that regard I'd suggest a few things...

The feel of the tusks also explain the character of the jaghut. Imagine a line up of Hood, Gothos, Icarium and the huntress. Their tusks would contrast greatly right? I take this to be a random Jaghut? if it is I'd imagine it to be old and wizened by harsh living etc thats the only common trait all jaghut have. I think you could show the wear on both the face and the Tusks more. On the face a light skein of wrinkles about the brow and a thickening of Eybrows could take you a loooong way.

I love the broken lip. the tusks you had in the first image showed a likely occurance. Tusks break in nature all the time. In regards to wear and tear google up old male african elephants. Their tusks are worn down more often than chipped or broken. This comes from digging and fighting. Jaghut I take it actually eat/Bite with their tusks so the wear down over the years should be considerable. Irregular grooves could help gnarl them up a bit. I'd instinctively say thicker and less pointy.

Yeah he looks a little botoxed, I'll try to add some evidence of the centuries
Good tip about the old elephants, I'll see what I can find. Don't know if I can make them much broader, at least not at the base but it makes perfect sense that they should be worn down/less pointy.
Thank you for the advice, helpful as always

Abyss, on 26 September 2011 - 08:03 PM, said:

While size-wise the second is more in line with the concept, i really liked the broken tip on the left in the first version. The cut lip is a nice touch too.

The logistics of the tusks are tricky. If you look at the obvious examples of animals that have them, wild boar, hippo and walrus tusks just seem to shove the lips out of the way and eventually form a 'crease'. elephnats have a whole other mouth structure that wouldn't anthorpomorphize well i suspect.

Without some practical adaptation, i imagine jaghut would drool a lot, which messes with the image of the race somewhat.

Haha, yeah it would probably be hard for them to retain any dignity. I agree about the logistics. My parents have miniature pigs and on the boars the tusks will sometimes grow straight through the lips, though to be fair I suspect human involvement has screwed that breed somewhat. At the end of the day I don't see how tusks of this size could grow out of an even remotely humanoid jaw in a way that would make sense, but I guess that's the beauty of fantasy


And I made it a random Jaghut specifically because I wanted a broken tusk and I couldn't remember any mention of either of our main candidates having one, so it will likely make a comeback in some form

[Use Of Weapons]

Tusks are essentially useless for Jaghut, right? My recollection may be off, but I can't think of any instance apart from that single glorious Hood moment where they were actually used. As such, they seem pretty likely to be a sexually selected trait, and one consequence of that would be that they would be extremely varied in shape/size, and that the Jaghut, being sentient, would adorn them, strive to make them aesthetic in some way. Perhaps cap them with metal to prevent chipping. I can't imagine any self-respecting Jaghut going around sporting broken or chipped tusks -- surely they'd file them flat, make them either symmetrical or interestingly assymetric?

[Dolmen 2.0]

yeah thats a good point UoW. well i think a jaghut during their early tyrant days probably decked their tusks with anything from bells to whistles to dinner table forks. Surviving jaghut however arent gonna want to stand out too much i think. If they do its not likely to be gleaming and shiny. So ring bands yes, maybe, but i dont think much fancy capping.

Also if we think more on the process behind geneology i'm sure the older jaghut, like hood or raest, must have huge tusks.

As the blood is watered down through the ages id expect smaller more aesthetic tusks. Thinking more of mastadon to elephant type of variation in length and curvature.

This post has been edited by Dolmen: 27 September 2011 - 12:14 PM

[BlackMoranthofDoom]

For some reason the drawing reminds of the dialogue screen in Oblivion, like if your character was an orc. But anyways good job on the drawing.

[iksaxophone]

Isolde, on 25 September 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

So instead of prepping for next week's seminars I've spent my day drawing a Jaghut, or what might hopefully pass for a Jaghut. I've been through at least 5 options for the eyes, in my head they're all yellow but I can't get it to look half decent without the iris. Any suggestions? I had a look-around and saw that most people have drawn them with the iris but I've probably missed something.

Jaghutnr2.jpg

That certain passage with Hood in tCG has me thinking the tusks should probably be bigger but it just doesn't seem functional....

Feedback appreciated as always!

This is really good! It has a sort of l'aire du Jaghut :-)

For some reason though, I've always imagined that if Imass are early humans, KCCM are dinos and Thelomen et. al. are giants, Jaghut ought to be somehow related to mammoths...

Still, I like this one, too. Huge honking elephant tusks would kinda be in the way for something sentient...