[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 11 hours and 29 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Atrahal, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korbas, Korlat, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Telas, Tellan, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Serc ( Tulas Shorn, Korlat )

Players not voted: Alkend, Anomandaris, Atrahal, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korbas, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Telas, Tellan, Tiamatha

[Tellan]

Silanah, I am impressed. That point of opening one's self up for NKs (esp. with both the Capo and Cop alive and well) is a very large concern for townies on the verge of having an alignment. You also forgot to mention me, who was on both lynch trains. So I have taken the liberty of highlighting us four in red on the below quote for ease of reference. Also for reference, I have highlighted the know (and dead) roled players in blue below, and the dead townies in green.

Silanah, on 14 September 2011 - 09:11 AM, said:

Silanah, on 14 September 2011 - 09:06 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 14 September 2011 - 08:55 AM, said:

why wouldnt you vote? If a good number of us manage to become members of a faction we will have the majority and be able to simply remove the other faction giving the remaing town members the chance to lynch off the second faction and join up too.

where you on both trains? say you weren't on the first but you were on the second then that would make you favour one team over the other wouldn't it?

i need the lynch trains to look at as well.

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11 Votes for Sorrit ( Shadow, Serc, Korabas, Tennes, Korlat, Tulas Shorn, Telas, Tellan, Tiamatha, Silanah, Anthras )


Players not voted: Atrahal, Kessobahn, Sorrit, Thyrllan

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10 Votes for Kalse ( Alkend, Tellan, Karosis, Telas, Anomandaris, Serc, Tennes, Atrahal, Korbas, Silanah)

sorry about this, i'm in work and wanted to save it before i lost it.


telas and serc are the only two players other than me who have been on both trains. so if we did vote we commit leaving the rest of town to decide where they want to vote and what team to make stronger.

Please let me know if I missed anything and I will go back and edit. I just like having stuff in front of me visually to help me think, and why be selfish and not provide the same resources to my fellow townies.


So the first thing I notice is that at least one of the night killers hasn't come to the same line of reasoning as yourself Silanah (considering Tennes was an unaligned townie with options of choosing either faction like us). The other night killer may be a little more swift, killing someone who was on neither lynch train, thereby knocking off someone with a low likelihood of joining a team anytime soon and also potentially hitting a hiding roled player (which unfortunately Thyr was not....) ).


The second thing I notice is that of the two known roled players shown above (more were not on the above lists) only one of them was on a successful train. In fact, of the currently four dead roled players (Sorrit, Anthras, Ampelas, Kalse), only one of them was on a successful lynch train, which is consistent with the theory that roled players wish to avoid killing their own.


This speaks more to suspecting Kesso over you Silanah interestingly enough since Kesso has not made it on either lynch train.

Ok, more comments to come, but I'm trying to break up my posts a little more.

Edit: added paragraphs. text box not cooperating

This post has been edited by Tellan: 14 September 2011 - 12:39 PM

[Serc]

Korbas, on 14 September 2011 - 06:34 AM, said:

I was around for a lot of the day but damned if I'll post during night. I've got a few minutes and just wanted to make a comment.

Serc, on 14 September 2011 - 12:26 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 13 September 2011 - 11:30 PM, said:

I've got a few minutes before I'm out the door. My top three canidates for roled players are Tellan, Alkend and Serc.

Tellan really pinged my radar with how easily he jumped on the Kalse train regarding a failed understanding of the FM mechanic when it was clearly stated how it works in the OP. This was clearly right after Tellan was bragging up that he was right over Tennes regarding the town winning conditions aspect that was much easier to get wrong. It doesn't seem likely that someone could be so spot on a concept that seems more difficult to grasp but total whiff on something that was so clearly stated. It looks like to me he was following Alkend after Alkend placed a vote on Kalse. That leads me to believe that Alkend may be a finder and Tellan could be the leader of one side or the other.

Serc joins my list because of this

Serc, on 12 September 2011 - 10:40 PM, said:

Telas, on 12 September 2011 - 10:36 PM, said:

Tellan, on 12 September 2011 - 10:27 PM, said:

And Telas, since you're here, care to elaborate on those "pings." You critiqued several theories as weak and unsubstantiated, but did not give us anything to go off of. Tearing apart cases is a lot easier than trying to reason through building one.

The two main players I feel uneasy about are Thyrllian and Tennes, I think that while int his regard Tennes had a point, while we all want to make sure we have out winning conditions and have something to work towards as soon as we can there is also a more longterm game to think about as well and this kind of attitude does not help with that but then again I come into conflict with the whole a vote is better than no vote/no lynch argument.

With tennes I just feel that his reaction to thyrillian's vote was rather extreme and unhelpful, maybe slightly panicky, maybe a bold bluff on his part in the hopes of deflecting a possible train away from himself.

I actually agree with you about both of them.

However, it would be more in our interest to lynch someone who is contributing little. Even a roled player (especially one that doesn't know their team) can help us with cases.

The last line makes it seem that he is very against hitting a roled player. Why would he be against that if he isn't a roled player himself and is afraid of hitting his own team?

I'm gone for a while. Don't push a lynch through with half the day to go folks. I would like to get on a successful lynch for once.

I wasn't saying that I was against hitting a roled player, I was saying I'd rather hit a roled player who was a low poster, of which Kalse seemed to be (and was).

Your first post definitely sounded like you think it's not a big deal if we lynch a townie. Your explanation is good but I think the first post reads pretty clearly. Hiding behind the lynch is pretty good deflection too... it's possible you knew he was roled and set up a few comments you could point back to after he was lynched. Also I found this quote:

Serc, on 13 September 2011 - 12:26 AM, said:

Tennes, on 13 September 2011 - 12:20 AM, said:

Remove vote

Vote Serc

Sigh. I don't think you're a bad player, Tennes. If you're roled, you have me fooled. You just seemed like a concerned (unnecessarily dramatic) townie.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

So here is another strangely accurate comment... I also have to repost that first quote:

Serc, on 14 September 2011 - 12:26 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 13 September 2011 - 11:30 PM, said:

I've got a few minutes before I'm out the door. My top three canidates for roled players are Tellan, Alkend and Serc.

Tellan really pinged my radar with how easily he jumped on the Kalse train regarding a failed understanding of the FM mechanic when it was clearly stated how it works in the OP. This was clearly right after Tellan was bragging up that he was right over Tennes regarding the town winning conditions aspect that was much easier to get wrong. It doesn't seem likely that someone could be so spot on a concept that seems more difficult to grasp but total whiff on something that was so clearly stated. It looks like to me he was following Alkend after Alkend placed a vote on Kalse. That leads me to believe that Alkend may be a finder and Tellan could be the leader of one side or the other.

Serc joins my list because of this

Serc, on 12 September 2011 - 10:40 PM, said:

Telas, on 12 September 2011 - 10:36 PM, said:

Tellan, on 12 September 2011 - 10:27 PM, said:

And Telas, since you're here, care to elaborate on those "pings." You critiqued several theories as weak and unsubstantiated, but did not give us anything to go off of. Tearing apart cases is a lot easier than trying to reason through building one.

The two main players I feel uneasy about are Thyrllian and Tennes, I think that while int his regard Tennes had a point, while we all want to make sure we have out winning conditions and have something to work towards as soon as we can there is also a more longterm game to think about as well and this kind of attitude does not help with that but then again I come into conflict with the whole a vote is better than no vote/no lynch argument.

With tennes I just feel that his reaction to thyrillian's vote was rather extreme and unhelpful, maybe slightly panicky, maybe a bold bluff on his part in the hopes of deflecting a possible train away from himself.

I actually agree with you about both of them.

However, it would be more in our interest to lynch someone who is contributing little. Even a roled player (especially one that doesn't know their team) can help us with cases.

The last line makes it seem that he is very against hitting a roled player. Why would he be against that if he isn't a roled player himself and is afraid of hitting his own team?

I'm gone for a while. Don't push a lynch through with half the day to go folks. I would like to get on a successful lynch for once.

I wasn't saying that I was against hitting a roled player, I was saying I'd rather hit a roled player who was a low poster, of which Kalse seemed to be (and was).

Telas points out Thyrllan and Tennes are his top suspects, Serc agrees with him, then they both end up dead. I'm just seeing a lot of connections between Serc and dead people.

Oh, I also wanted to add that it's possible that one of the don's lost a BP on the first night if one of the deaths was an FM jump. Pretty easy to hide with so many players alive right now.

My thoughts about Tennes were correct. Not really anything to disprove there, my gut and sense of Tennes turned out to be right.

I agreed with Tellan about both of them. He said they made him uneasy, they made me uneasy as well. Not enough to warrant votes at that stage, but they had me vaguely concerned. As I said, Tennes seemed to be a concerned, asshole townie. And I was right.

And I would love it if I could stop repeating the same line, I felt strongly that Kalse was roled, and a low poster. I would rather lynch a low posting roled, than a high posting roled. The high posting roled may scamble to make cases against others, and if they don't know their entire faction, they might make something worthwhile.

[Serc]

Korbas, on 14 September 2011 - 06:42 AM, said:

Serc, on 14 September 2011 - 12:22 AM, said:

Tellan, on 13 September 2011 - 11:21 PM, said:

I also think it is interesting that the two people NK'ed were top level suspects from yesterday. Makes me wonder if we can reason out who was their killer by looking at how people interacted with Tennes (kind of hard, he was universally hated) or Thyr (a little easier, there was a small population of people exceptionally suspicious of him). I am just getting these thoughts out there right now. I'm going to look back and see if there are any interactions I can point out.

The most obvious thing a killer can do is lynch someone who has argued with people. That way, the killer will seem to be one of those people.

Interesting typo; "lynch" instead of "kill" or "NK".

Also fits with the hiding-in-plain-sight tactic, making comments that a roled player normally would not make about his own actions so that he appears innocent.

This is what I get for not proofing my posts well enough. A typo, but I can see where you're coming from. No way for me to debunk this besides telling you that you're wrong.

[Serc]

Korlat, on 14 September 2011 - 07:58 AM, said:

This Serc case is interesting.

His seeming conviction that Tennes was going to turn up inno is something that struck me as quite strange if coming from a supposed townie.
Then his quote about lynching a low poster and "even if its a roled player" does smack of him letting slip that a roled player is more of an after thought, or of lesser importance.

That coupled with him substituting "NK" with "lynch"...i dunno...could be a genuine slip or it could be a "forced" slip in an attempted to portray some kind of towny Freudian mistake.

Each thing by itself seems rather innocent but when you look at it all together it seems like a rather decent case and the "mistake" starts looking more and more like it was manufactured.

I would like to actually be on a lynch train this time round so i will add to the pressure here immediately.


Vote Serc.


edit - messed up sentence made little sense

I'd like to note that you have Anomandaris level blindness (what happened to Anomandaris, btw?) when it comes to punctuation.

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However, it would be more in our interest to lynch someone who is contributing little. Even a roled player (especially one that doesn't know their team) can help us with cases.

I was implying that a roled player who posts cases instead of drivel is of more use to town than a low posting roled. There is a period there.

[Tellan]

Btw, just to capture this thought before I continue speculating on larger scale mechanics, the other thing that worries me about you Silanah, despite the fact you are on both trains which at this point seems more like townie behavior, is the fact that you were on the tail/last-minute end of both trains (something Anthras did on the first day, and we know what Anthras was...). Again this isn't enough to lynch you yet imao, but I wanted to point this out as food for thought before getting all warm and chummy with your good points.

[Korlat]

Serc, on 14 September 2011 - 12:43 PM, said:

Korbas, on 14 September 2011 - 06:42 AM, said:

Serc, on 14 September 2011 - 12:22 AM, said:

Tellan, on 13 September 2011 - 11:21 PM, said:

I also think it is interesting that the two people NK'ed were top level suspects from yesterday. Makes me wonder if we can reason out who was their killer by looking at how people interacted with Tennes (kind of hard, he was universally hated) or Thyr (a little easier, there was a small population of people exceptionally suspicious of him). I am just getting these thoughts out there right now. I'm going to look back and see if there are any interactions I can point out.

The most obvious thing a killer can do is lynch someone who has argued with people. That way, the killer will seem to be one of those people.

Interesting typo; "lynch" instead of "kill" or "NK".

Also fits with the hiding-in-plain-sight tactic, making comments that a roled player normally would not make about his own actions so that he appears innocent.

This is what I get for not proofing my posts well enough. A typo, but I can see where you're coming from. No way for me to debunk this besides telling you that you're wrong.

Definitely not a typo.
Freudian slip of sorts, weather its intentional or not is another matter entirely.
but labeling it a typo...well thats just trying to downplay it even further than what it is...

[Serc]

Korlat, on 14 September 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

Silanah, on 14 September 2011 - 09:06 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 14 September 2011 - 08:55 AM, said:

why wouldnt you vote? If a good number of us manage to become members of a faction we will have the majority and be able to simply remove the other faction giving the remaing town members the chance to lynch off the second faction and join up too.

where you on both trains? say you weren't on the first but you were on the second then that would make you favour one team over the other wouldn't it?

Not really...ive been having a good old fashion think on this.

and i think that as much as i would like to get set and have my CF set ASAP...well... its becoming clear to me that its also a pretty damn good thing for a townie to have is options open right now. At least untill there is a more clear advantage for either of the teams.

So if you where on both trains then you are sitting pretty and have the luxury of waiting and not have to vote this time round and see how night plays out.
And then just follow the majority team the next day.

If you where only on one train, you might want to actually consider getting a lynch on the opposite faction to even it out to, again, keep your options open in order to eventually get on the bigger team.

If someone ends up having a team right now, you are at the mercy of the NK's and you might end up with a weaker team and get piled on the next day..
As it stands the two factions are pretty much dead even, depending on what roles have been killed.

its tricky right now.

If a FBI was lynched yesterday then Outfit would have had a decent numbers lead and i reckon everyone would have carried on looking for more FBI lynches in order to be on that side.

but now...its a bit of a wait and see game i think.

This is something I hadn't really considered. I don't think it's in my best interest to vote today, at this point.

[Korlat]

Serc, on 14 September 2011 - 12:48 PM, said:

Korlat, on 14 September 2011 - 07:58 AM, said:

This Serc case is interesting.

His seeming conviction that Tennes was going to turn up inno is something that struck me as quite strange if coming from a supposed townie.
Then his quote about lynching a low poster and "even if its a roled player" does smack of him letting slip that a roled player is more of an after thought, or of lesser importance.

That coupled with him substituting "NK" with "lynch"...i dunno...could be a genuine slip or it could be a "forced" slip in an attempted to portray some kind of towny Freudian mistake.

Each thing by itself seems rather innocent but when you look at it all together it seems like a rather decent case and the "mistake" starts looking more and more like it was manufactured.

I would like to actually be on a lynch train this time round so i will add to the pressure here immediately.


Vote Serc.


edit - messed up sentence made little sense

I'd like to note that you have Anomandaris level blindness (what happened to Anomandaris, btw?) when it comes to punctuation.

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However, it would be more in our interest to lynch someone who is contributing little. Even a roled player (especially one that doesn't know their team) can help us with cases.

I was implying that a roled player who posts cases instead of drivel is of more use to town than a low posting roled. There is a period there.

fair enough.

but all the other points leveled against you are still valid in my books.

[Serc]

Korlat, on 14 September 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

Serc, on 14 September 2011 - 12:48 PM, said:

Korlat, on 14 September 2011 - 07:58 AM, said:

This Serc case is interesting.

His seeming conviction that Tennes was going to turn up inno is something that struck me as quite strange if coming from a supposed townie.
Then his quote about lynching a low poster and "even if its a roled player" does smack of him letting slip that a roled player is more of an after thought, or of lesser importance.

That coupled with him substituting "NK" with "lynch"...i dunno...could be a genuine slip or it could be a "forced" slip in an attempted to portray some kind of towny Freudian mistake.

Each thing by itself seems rather innocent but when you look at it all together it seems like a rather decent case and the "mistake" starts looking more and more like it was manufactured.

I would like to actually be on a lynch train this time round so i will add to the pressure here immediately.


Vote Serc.


edit - messed up sentence made little sense

I'd like to note that you have Anomandaris level blindness (what happened to Anomandaris, btw?) when it comes to punctuation.

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However, it would be more in our interest to lynch someone who is contributing little. Even a roled player (especially one that doesn't know their team) can help us with cases.

I was implying that a roled player who posts cases instead of drivel is of more use to town than a low posting roled. There is a period there.

fair enough.

but all the other points leveled against you are still valid in my books.

All the points were me being right about things. I don't see why this is a point at all, let alone valid. But I'm not too worried.

The valid point is the misuse of the word lynch. That doesn't seem to be enough to warrant votes at this stage.

[Korlat]

So what can happen now is that all the guys with only one successful lynch to their names should lynch someone we feel is roled.

If that person turns out to be FBI...then all the guys with one FBI lynch under their belt will try for a Outfit win.
That in turn leaves the the guys with one Outfit lynch in the same scenario as the guys who are currently with two opposite successful lynches.
They still have options....we can then get all the "options" guys lynch the next night and hope to hit another FBI putting everybody on the same team.

The the same for If its an outfit lynch only opposite conditions for everyone occurs and we hunt Outfit.


After this lynch one team will have the advantage, and everyone should be trying to lynch the other team.
We could almost coordinate this into an "every townie on one team" thing, and then it would be just a matter of finding and lynching the opposing smaller team much like a normal M&P game in essence.

[Korlat]

Serc, on 14 September 2011 - 01:01 PM, said:

Korlat, on 14 September 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

Serc, on 14 September 2011 - 12:48 PM, said:

Korlat, on 14 September 2011 - 07:58 AM, said:

This Serc case is interesting.

His seeming conviction that Tennes was going to turn up inno is something that struck me as quite strange if coming from a supposed townie.
Then his quote about lynching a low poster and "even if its a roled player" does smack of him letting slip that a roled player is more of an after thought, or of lesser importance.

That coupled with him substituting "NK" with "lynch"...i dunno...could be a genuine slip or it could be a "forced" slip in an attempted to portray some kind of towny Freudian mistake.

Each thing by itself seems rather innocent but when you look at it all together it seems like a rather decent case and the "mistake" starts looking more and more like it was manufactured.

I would like to actually be on a lynch train this time round so i will add to the pressure here immediately.


Vote Serc.


edit - messed up sentence made little sense

I'd like to note that you have Anomandaris level blindness (what happened to Anomandaris, btw?) when it comes to punctuation.

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However, it would be more in our interest to lynch someone who is contributing little. Even a roled player (especially one that doesn't know their team) can help us with cases.

I was implying that a roled player who posts cases instead of drivel is of more use to town than a low posting roled. There is a period there.

fair enough.

but all the other points leveled against you are still valid in my books.

All the points were me being right about things. I don't see why this is a point at all, let alone valid. But I'm not too worried.

The valid point is the misuse of the word lynch. That doesn't seem to be enough to warrant votes at this stage.

lets not forget your canny knack of knowing peoples CF's before they die

[Serc]

All the quoting was making my scroll bar tiny.

Anyway, my sense of players has been badass so far. I'm actually pretty clueless right now, though.

I really dislike Anomadaris, maybe just because I haven't seen him? and Tiam?

[Tellan]

So here is what we have left so far:

FBI: Pretty damn sure: Prosecutor and Cop
Two of the following: FM, Healer, Guard, Finder

Family: Pretty damn sure: Don and Capo
Two of the following: FM, Healer, Guard, Finder

Town: 7 players left, none aligned as of today

Now at this point, unless a guard got lucky, we can assume that the Prosecutor/Don have successfully sent off two PMs, perhaps detailing who's who on their team which could mean most of their team is currently in the know. Should the Moles (finders) have survived lynching, night kills and jumps, the Don/Prosecutor would know the identities of an additional two players by now.

As for which roles are out of the picture, it is hard to say. We didn't see any successful jumps last night which could mean both or one of the FMs are dead, but it also could be that the teams have a good guarding/healing framework in place. Technically, should the healer be present, half their team is safe from both jumps and night deaths (the BP protecting the Don/Prosecutor for the time being unless they are really unlucky).

So after Silanah's statement, perhaps the 4 people on both trains will be left alone by the night killers, since it is advantageous to leave potential recruits alone (I can hope for my own safety's sake...). Also, townies who have been on at least one train are potentially advantageous to leave alone since they are moving in the direction of recruitment (I think if a townie gets aligned in this lynch, they will probably be toast unless they are surrounded by other similar targets). The only player right now not really worth anything to anyone is the person not on either lynch (correct?). It would take two two more days minimum for such a townie to become aligned, which is a long time in light of how fast this day is moving.

I have a proposal then. Firstly, let's continue cutting out the dead wood and cross our fingers that we hit a roled player hiding among those never on a lynch train.

Secondly, as long as the four people on both lynch trains end up on the same lynch train today, we will have relative safety in numbers should we end up with an alignment (there is only one person on the opposing team who can night kill a townie (though once roled can a FM get us too? If someone knows, that is very important...), thus only one of the four of us can be killed, leaving three in support of either the Family or FBI).

Thirdly, if the four of us are on a lynch train, the strength in numbers can cover any of the townies who have been on one lynch train just incase it only takes this second train to give them an alignment.

With this in mind, I am doing this:

Vote Kessoban

since he has never been on a successful lynch train and is suspicious for being a roled player.

[Silanah]

Tellan, on 14 September 2011 - 12:49 PM, said:

Btw, just to capture this thought before I continue speculating on larger scale mechanics, the other thing that worries me about you Silanah, despite the fact you are on both trains which at this point seems more like townie behavior, is the fact that you were on the tail/last-minute end of both trains (something Anthras did on the first day, and we know what Anthras was...). Again this isn't enough to lynch you yet imao, but I wanted to point this out as food for thought before getting all warm and chummy with your good points.

but i did vote in other areas until the lynch was inevitable. i have had my views all game and posted them, as i needed to be on a train. it was better to be on one than not on one at that stage. now i'm unsure what i want to do in terms of lynching.

[Tellan]

Well, I should preemptively make this note as well. Should a lynch train get going, and none of the other 3 people with two successful lynches join me, I will drop off that train. At this juncture, it seems like a group of townies with the potential to be aligned should stick together so that if we become targets for the opposing team, they can't knock us off all at once...

[Serc]

Tellan, on 14 September 2011 - 01:29 PM, said:

Well, I should preemptively make this note as well. Should a lynch train get going, and none of the other 3 people with two successful lynches join me, I will drop off that train. At this juncture, it seems like a group of townies with the potential to be aligned should stick together so that if we become targets for the opposing team, they can't knock us off all at once...

I'm with you, on this. I don't intend to vote unless I see the others do so as well. I simply don't see that happening, but we'll see.

[Telas]

Tellan, on 14 September 2011 - 01:29 PM, said:

Well, I should preemptively make this note as well. Should a lynch train get going, and none of the other 3 people with two successful lynches join me, I will drop off that train. At this juncture, it seems like a group of townies with the potential to be aligned should stick together so that if we become targets for the opposing team, they can't knock us off all at once...

I agree with this, it would hopefully give us winning conditions without leaving us as lone targets at the mercy of NKs or possible split's in town with new alignments.

[Silanah]

Tellan, on 14 September 2011 - 01:13 PM, said:

So here is what we have left so far:

FBI: Pretty damn sure: Prosecutor and Cop
Two of the following: FM, Healer, Guard, Finder

Family: Pretty damn sure: Don and Capo
Two of the following: FM, Healer, Guard, Finder

Town: 7 players left, none aligned as of today

Now at this point, unless a guard got lucky, we can assume that the Prosecutor/Don have successfully sent off two PMs, perhaps detailing who's who on their team which could mean most of their team is currently in the know. Should the Moles (finders) have survived lynching, night kills and jumps, the Don/Prosecutor would know the identities of an additional two players by now.

As for which roles are out of the picture, it is hard to say. We didn't see any successful jumps last night which could mean both or one of the FMs are dead, but it also could be that the teams have a good guarding/healing framework in place. Technically, should the healer be present, half their team is safe from both jumps and night deaths (the BP protecting the Don/Prosecutor for the time being unless they are really unlucky).

So after Silanah's statement, perhaps the 4 people on both trains will be left alone by the night killers, since it is advantageous to leave potential recruits alone (I can hope for my own safety's sake...). Also, townies who have been on at least one train are potentially advantageous to leave alone since they are moving in the direction of recruitment (I think if a townie gets aligned in this lynch, they will probably be toast unless they are surrounded by other similar targets). The only player right now not really worth anything to anyone is the person not on either lynch (correct?). It would take two two more days minimum for such a townie to become aligned, which is a long time in light of how fast this day is moving.

I have a proposal then. Firstly, let's continue cutting out the dead wood and cross our fingers that we hit a roled player hiding among those never on a lynch train.

Secondly, as long as the four people on both lynch trains end up on the same lynch train today, we will have relative safety in numbers should we end up with an alignment (there is only one person on the opposing team who can night kill a townie (though once roled can a FM get us too? If someone knows, that is very important...), thus only one of the four of us can be killed, leaving three in support of either the Family or FBI).

Thirdly, if the four of us are on a lynch train, the strength in numbers can cover any of the townies who have been on one lynch train just incase it only takes this second train to give them an alignment.

With this in mind, I am doing this:

Vote Kessoban

since he has never been on a successful lynch train and is suspicious for being a roled player.

just being skeptical at this point in case it goes wrong. what happens if we vote off kess and we become say, outfit, then the other team know that we are outfit so it'd be easier for them to win by voting off 3 outfit or whatever. do you get what i mean?

[Telas]

They could only lynch one of us at a time anyway and yeah it is a slight risk since it'll all depend on the alignments but it would mean stronger numbers for one team so more likelihood of winning and there is always the chance that more of town(possibly even the majority) will align the same.