[Sir Thursday]

Should there be a notice saying that Sima Yi's faction is no more, or do we leave them to stew?


ST

[Sir Thursday]

There are a few people who I find very easy to alt, usually because they don't really hide themselves. Ment is pretty obvious most of the time - look for the guy talking about his law degree. Dkt is easy to alt because of his lack of capitalization and spelling mistakes. Venge swears a lot, so he's quite often easy to spot too. I can usually make a reasonable stab at Shinrei, KurtM and Silencer based on timezone. I can often (though not always) spot Tapper - well spoken, long posts in the Euro timezone, often with smatterings of French/Italian. Morgoth and DiBs I get unless they try to hide themselves..

Of course, I haven't played with any of the newer players enough to stand a chance. So that's quite a lot of players I don't have a hope of alting: Tattersail, Mott, JLV, King Lear, twelve, Gwynn, Gust Hubb, ansible, Edrigan, HiddenOne, Trull's Son...man, we've got a lot of new recruits! I'm sure I'll start to figure them out if I play more games.


ST

[Path-Shaper]

Barghast, on 20 October 2011 - 02:27 AM, said:

Thought i submitted them 1 minute before your illumonation, but that may technocally have been during dawn.

If you will accept that one, please uae that.
If not (no bold, on phone at 4 am, sorry):

Fearsome: No kills plus guards, and
Defender: guard Kesso

OK noted.

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2011 - 04:19 AM, said:

Barghast, on 20 October 2011 - 02:35 AM, said:

Fearsome ought to be kills and finds. I want to duel.

k

[Path-Shaper]

Sir Thursday, on 20 October 2011 - 12:49 AM, said:

Should there be a notice saying that Sima Yi's faction is no more, or do we leave them to stew?


ST

Nope, leaving them to stew. There never was a Jin empire, so no need to state their eradication.

[Path-Shaper]

Kessobahn, on 20 October 2011 - 04:53 AM, said:

YAY! You got to do your duel/debate scene!

AND I KILLED TAPPER! VICTOLY!

Everyone's Happy (except Tapper)!!!

[Tapper]

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2011 - 04:54 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 20 October 2011 - 04:53 AM, said:

YAY! You got to do your duel/debate scene!

AND I KILLED TAPPER! VICTOLY!

Everyone's Happy (except Tapper)!!!

Tapper's happy too. I had a very fun game, doin't think I played that bad either although my faction analysis was way off (blame that on struggling the first 40 pages due to a very heavy workload), tried really, really hard to do what I needed to do for my faction, and did fairly well there.
However, Ment is playing the best game I've ever seen him play, hand down.

Part of the reason why I set up a duel is because it actually does not matter whether I win or lose. If I won, I would be lynched. If I lost, Yan would be at 2 players and would have the same negotiation base as Xia. Only issue then would be dkt's obvious bias against the Yan....

[Tapper]

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2011 - 04:54 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 20 October 2011 - 04:53 AM, said:

YAY! You got to do your duel/debate scene!

AND I KILLED TAPPER! VICTOLY!

Everyone's Happy (except Tapper)!!!

Oh fuck. I lost against the 1 guy you can't win from. I would have given up my right hand and killed a litter of kittens for that little trait, D''rek - it is unbelievably strong in the end-game.

[Tapper]

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(Uh tapper... first of all you're assuming all PMs are the same... fine whatever, but you're forgetting that Block is applicable to everyone, not just your Fearsome Reputation ability)

Yeah, I have been working with that assumption, which is imho pretty much reinforced by the OP, where it is mentioned that there are 7 roles and 3 different special roles for you know, the remaining 3 special roles. If Emperors and PMs had special abilities, they would be different roles but the same role name

It may be that I'm not a native speaker, though - while my English is pretty much as perfect as you can expect from a non-native (close to bi-lingual, perhaps), sometimes, simple stuff escapes me.

I did forget about Block being universal. It tends to not be a worry when you can lock down fully half of the night actions

[Jump Around]

It was a warm night in the northern regions of Xia, made warmer by the heat escaping the two enterlaced bodies.
- oh, Karosis, how I love when you touch me this way.
- yes Emurlahn, I learned from those love letters you've been sending me since the beginning of the game. I swear, i had to learn Chinese, my interpreter died of apoplexia after reading a couple of those.
- what can i do? Your sexy beard was simply irresistible to the little emo boy that i am
- i was really impressed when you sacrificed your Assassin to save me from the lynch mob.
- by the way remember Osseric, the dead Lu Emperor? I've been making fun of him a lot in my payers to the Heavens since he died.
- yes, let's talk about him some more and make fun of him now that he can't answer us.
- wait, do you feel a strange presence?
- some sort of chill in the base of my spine? Yes, i feel it too...
- it's him! It's the ghost of Osseric! Oh noes, he's coming to haunt me for revenge!
- wait, he'strying to tell us something.... Listen...

[Telas]

And the thread has been read through. I notice a lot of my suggestions as to Khell's parentage did not make the transition into SH. Such a shame

[Morgoth]

Path-Shaper, on 13 October 2011 - 03:16 PM, said:

Whiny mod post:


Overall, I'm very impressed with the on-thread content so far. There's been lots of good discussions, heated lynches, some good cases, some bad, etc etc. Even with stagnant nights the day-time convos haven't lessened. That's great.

OTOH, I'm really disappointed in the NAs (and DAs). Ment, Obdi and Bubba just sitting on their asses healing Ment and the location is ridiculous. Obdi could and should be sending much more detailed communications to Ment, and Ment should be signaling back to Bubba that healing him isn't necessary so Obdi can go and find people. Given that he has Mastery, Obdi should really be trying to find everyone he can because it's the commonest non-kill NA and if he can get a duel its an instant kill for him. MTS is making a nice effort to kill people but if he's the only one doing anything, and obviously Bubba is pretty much phoning it in at this point. Ment has probably forgotten about his one-time lover bond creation at this point, and if he remembers it's probably too little too late at this point. And even furthermore, they've all gotten an Illumination in Luo Yang from Tennes a few days back so they should at this point have worked out who's who and be stomping on Karosis and Korlat.

Speaking of, dkt and Mott are probably the only ones who are really "doing their jobs" at this point. It's really unfortuante for Mott that Ment is ruining all her kills, as she's done well at picking the Xia the last few days, especially since the Illumination.

Yan are doing better with the NAs, ie some are actually trying, but given they were all in one location they could've done a lot more to work together. They all got moved to Xin Du at once and The Dude Illum'd for them, so they knew they were all there. Why didn't JLV or Tattersail post a notice asking for a guard on Emur while they killed him? Practically the entire team has said in PM that they think Emur is an Emperor, but no one thinks to try that lovely thing called "teamwork"

Lu, the dynasty with the most collaboration ability, has collapsed into doing nothing (except for Shin the crazy jungle vigilante) after JA's death when they could have united and smacked down Ma Chao by now.

The Ma Chaos are low-posting up the ass and therefore aren't making the effort to look at the thread and figure out who the Lus are so they can kill them (hint: they should really go re-read through the JA train)

And lastly Morgy is actually doing okay as Sima Yi. Sil and then Mockra were good recruit targets, and he had no way of knowing Kesso was PM. His current choice is Sheltatha though, and given that he has had a couple Illuminations to tell him exactly what alts are in his area I'm not sure I understand his choice...

In my defence I had fever in the excess of 40 degrees and somehow got the idea that Shel had been part of that illumination list. Apart from that one blunder though I feel I did pretty well in my choice of targets. I couldn't decide whether I thought Kesso or Atrahal was the Xia PM and went for the wrong one sadly.

JLV, on 18 October 2011 - 07:46 PM, said:

FUCKING FUCK.

Well that was fun. I'm making this post before I read through spoilers, so here's my take on the game without any influence from the spoilers:

Awesomely fun game, super complicated and I was (admittedly) overwhelmed.

I tried to vaguely out Tennes and Barg, as I was relatively sure they weren't recruited.

I probably should have tried harder to keep Tennes from knowing I was recruited, but I was trying to signal to other recruits.. bah. Not a big deal, I guess.

I tried to cause as much havoc as I could, I tried to get people to fucking vote me with my random accusations and crazy changes in opinions/going after every faction. But apparently I'm too pretty.

Any old timers around here, did I do alright for my second game?

Tell me what I fucked up, teach me your ways.

Catching up now.

Edit: Just read previous post. HP KILLED ME THEN GOT RECRUITED. That motherfucker.

Well, you did good staying alive while keeping attention away from me without fostering suspicion with Barghast and Tennes. However, you should have found a way to signal to me that Barghast and Tennes were the Yan leaders. If you'd somehow included those two names in your fist post following recruitment I would have known and that would have benefited our faction quite a bit. Additionally you should have done finds instead of kills to find new recruits for us. Still, that's the sort of thing I'd expect vengeance or JA to know, being the ancient fossils that they are. For a new player you did very well.

twelve should in the same vein not have risked a kill on the only viable recruit left on our side of the board. Not to mention that he killed both You and Sorrit, a recruit and an almost recruit. The bastard

Of Khell I hold only a deep deep hatred. To illustrate, this was my face when Khell blew up and stomped lethally on my elation, not to mention that told everyone and their dog I was a barbarian.
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[Morgoth]

D'rek, I thoroughly enjoyed this game, and felt nothing but frustration that the flu pulled me out at the best part.

Ment deserves man of the match for his day play for sure, but I agree that bunkering down with healing catapults throughout the entire game was a huge mistake. Equally I think Tennes' choice of movement was rather ill conceived though it did provide me with some benefit.

The barbarians have been surprisingly lackluster and JA is a tool, as always

[Tapper]

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If Barghast guards me, guard him. If not, Heal Emurlahn.

Thankfully, Obdi changed his action in the very same PM to a 100% unconditional guard of me, but as a provisional, this is simply unacceptable. If I had died due to it, I'd have gone absolutely 100% full out ballistic.

The condition for the guard is:
A. based on something he's not able to know;
B. not based on the state of the thread;
C. is checked after the guard on him ought to happen, which makes for really odd timing;
D1. is subject to conditions imposed by other players on the action he wants checked (so if another guard had guarded me, he would have healed Emu);
D2. unless you'd have resolved Obdi's action upon the statement of intent by me (aka the submission of my action), regardless of whether my action went through or not. In which case, Obdi might obtain information after the act what my action was, with no loss whatsoever to his own, as his action would always be effective.

It is like submitting "heal Tennes unless there are no kills targeting him, in that case, guard Emurlahn." It creates really odd play. One of the reasons why in Spycraft, I allow no provisionals at all.

---@ D'rek--------

As for me not knowing the blocking rules: I was aware of them, believe me, I was. But they create so many variables that it's much easier to ignore them unless you can painstakingly keep track and try to reproduce what happened on what night.

[Tapper]

Tapper, on 20 October 2011 - 06:38 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2011 - 04:54 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 20 October 2011 - 04:53 AM, said:

YAY! You got to do your duel/debate scene!

AND I KILLED TAPPER! VICTOLY!

Everyone's Happy (except Tapper)!!!

Oh fuck. I lost against the 1 guy you can't win from. I would have given up my right hand and killed a litter of kittens for that little trait, D''rek - it is unbelievably strong in the end-game.

Early game, too. Just move to a border location and spam finds.

[King Lear]

I wanted to be recruited

This post has been edited by King Lear: 20 October 2011 - 10:43 AM

[Sir Thursday]

Tapper, on 20 October 2011 - 10:23 AM, said:

Quote

If Barghast guards me, guard him. If not, Heal Emurlahn.

Thankfully, Obdi changed his action in the very same PM to a 100% unconditional guard of me, but as a provisional, this is simply unacceptable. If I had died due to it, I'd have gone absolutely 100% full out ballistic.

The condition for the guard is:
A. based on something he's not able to know;
B. not based on the state of the thread;
C. is checked after the guard on him ought to happen, which makes for really odd timing;
D1. is subject to conditions imposed by other players on the action he wants checked (so if another guard had guarded me, he would have healed Emu);
D2. unless you'd have resolved Obdi's action upon the statement of intent by me (aka the submission of my action), regardless of whether my action went through or not. In which case, Obdi might obtain information after the act what my action was, with no loss whatsoever to his own, as his action would always be effective.

It is like submitting "heal Tennes unless there are no kills targeting him, in that case, guard Emurlahn." It creates really odd play. One of the reasons why in Spycraft, I allow no provisionals at all.

---@ D'rek--------

As for me not knowing the blocking rules: I was aware of them, believe me, I was. But they create so many variables that it's much easier to ignore them unless you can painstakingly keep track and try to reproduce what happened on what night.

I would hope that D'rek wasn't going to accept that as an action...

[Tapper]

Sir Thursday, on 20 October 2011 - 10:44 AM, said:

Tapper, on 20 October 2011 - 10:23 AM, said:

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If Barghast guards me, guard him. If not, Heal Emurlahn.

Thankfully, Obdi changed his action in the very same PM to a 100% unconditional guard of me, but as a provisional, this is simply unacceptable. If I had died due to it, I'd have gone absolutely 100% full out ballistic.

The condition for the guard is:
A. based on something he's not able to know;
B. not based on the state of the thread;
C. is checked after the guard on him ought to happen, which makes for really odd timing;
D1. is subject to conditions imposed by other players on the action he wants checked (so if another guard had guarded me, he would have healed Emu);
D2. unless you'd have resolved Obdi's action upon the statement of intent by me (aka the submission of my action), regardless of whether my action went through or not. In which case, Obdi might obtain information after the act what my action was, with no loss whatsoever to his own, as his action would always be effective.

It is like submitting "heal Tennes unless there are no kills targeting him, in that case, guard Emurlahn." It creates really odd play. One of the reasons why in Spycraft, I allow no provisionals at all.

---@ D'rek--------

As for me not knowing the blocking rules: I was aware of them, believe me, I was. But they create so many variables that it's much easier to ignore them unless you can painstakingly keep track and try to reproduce what happened on what night.

I would hope that D'rek wasn't going to accept that as an action...

I guess she wouldn't, too However, Obdi submitted it which means he was at the least trying to test the waters

[Morgoth]

Tapper, on 20 October 2011 - 10:58 AM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 20 October 2011 - 10:44 AM, said:

Tapper, on 20 October 2011 - 10:23 AM, said:

Quote

If Barghast guards me, guard him. If not, Heal Emurlahn.

Thankfully, Obdi changed his action in the very same PM to a 100% unconditional guard of me, but as a provisional, this is simply unacceptable. If I had died due to it, I'd have gone absolutely 100% full out ballistic.

The condition for the guard is:
A. based on something he's not able to know;
B. not based on the state of the thread;
C. is checked after the guard on him ought to happen, which makes for really odd timing;
D1. is subject to conditions imposed by other players on the action he wants checked (so if another guard had guarded me, he would have healed Emu);
D2. unless you'd have resolved Obdi's action upon the statement of intent by me (aka the submission of my action), regardless of whether my action went through or not. In which case, Obdi might obtain information after the act what my action was, with no loss whatsoever to his own, as his action would always be effective.

It is like submitting "heal Tennes unless there are no kills targeting him, in that case, guard Emurlahn." It creates really odd play. One of the reasons why in Spycraft, I allow no provisionals at all.

---@ D'rek--------

As for me not knowing the blocking rules: I was aware of them, believe me, I was. But they create so many variables that it's much easier to ignore them unless you can painstakingly keep track and try to reproduce what happened on what night.

I would hope that D'rek wasn't going to accept that as an action...

I guess she wouldn't, too However, Obdi submitted it which means he was at the least trying to test the waters

Obdi is a twat. It is known.

[Sorrit]

Kill Hood's Path

[Jump Around]

This game is turning into some twisted version of Survivor

Full reveal, make deals during the day, and try to backstab your way using night kills.