[Silanah]

Korlat, on 23 August 2011 - 02:36 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 19 August 2011 - 10:29 PM, said:

D, on 19 August 2011 - 10:05 PM, said:

whats the plan for the weekend? is there a freeze? I am gone all of saturday and much of sunday.

Thyrllan providentially informs D'riss that there is a freeze on the clock but the game carries on regardless of monster or mortal.

Thyrllan, on 21 August 2011 - 02:04 AM, said:

Oh! Even perfect Thyrllan forgot to respond to one other piece of Silanah's suppositions. Silanah claims that Thyrllan acts arrogantly and audaciously. Well, Thyrllan would not be Thyrllan if he did not! Thyrllan dares Silanah, when Silanah becomes a ruler and repository of highest Light - nay, it's very essence - then let us see if Silanah can constantly remain humble.

Notice anything missing? Fluke? I think so

Well that is disappointing. Still think there is scum off the lynch train, only now driss is equally as suspect as the other 2 (3 if you don't count me and tulas as on the train)

Are you saying he didn't use the word penguin anywhere in those posts? This whole thing bothers me. Even if the third-person thing was forced by a mechanic, the "penguin" bits could still be fake.

If I can interpret Fener correctly, he's saying he used D'riss to draw out scum, which he says are Korlat and TS? Without any real argument to back this vote switch, though, it's hard to evaluate. Fener, from our perspective, you just went from saying one person was scum to saying a different person is scum. Neither was very convincing.

[Silanah]

Thyrllan, on 21 August 2011 - 12:32 PM, said:

Silanah, on 21 August 2011 - 03:49 AM, said:

Thyr, I'll have to respond in more detail later, but you're essentially saying that you were being sarcastic and just RPing? The problem is that "I didn't mean it" isn't a very convincing argument. Where do you draw the line? How many of your stated opinions are just RP flavor or a mighty jest from Thyrllan the ruler of light? For instance, in one post you said that Anthras or Galain was scum - do you have some other Thyrllan-related reason for hating Anthras too? Or are you just mixing things up with some genuine suspicions and some for the sake of RP?

I also think that if someone just said they were starting a lynch train on someone else because their alt killed that person in MBotF, it might not go over so well. (edit - except Fener, of course)

What can Thyrllan do but tell the truth? Would Silanah penguin prefer Thyrllan to come up with a convincing lie instead? Does Silanah then tar D'riss' argument that D'riss' musings about cult were a mistake with the same brush of unconvincing argument? Does Silanah view Tulas Shorn's explanation that Tulas Shorn's asking of Fener to reveal if Fener has a role was simply a case of Tulas Shorn not thinking as another unconvincing explanation? And if so, why penguin does Silanah not point out these also?

Thyrllan believes in the competence and abilities of most of his fellow players. Thyrllan has penguin faith that they are able to tell when Thyrllan gives a serious opinion. But, if Silanah finds it difficult, Thyrllan can oblige Silanah from now on with smileys such as or for when Thyrllan is not serious, so that Silanah does not have to worry and stress themselves anymore.

Thyrllan repeats again, whilst Thyrllan's reasons for voting Galain on day 1 were not based on studious dissection of Galain's posts and interactions, Thyrllan always held out the hope that Galain might come back as scum. If Thyrllan had some way to be entirely convinced that there was no penguin possibility that Galain could have been anything but inno, Thyrllan would not have voted for Galain despite their long-standing rivalry. But Thyrllan was not to know, just as no one else could have known for certain one way or another. Thyrllan's suspicions of Anthras were like everyone else's suspicions of everyone else on day 1 - simple instinct coming from Thyrllan's prodigious gut.

This logic would make a lot of sense from a "normal" perspective, and by normal I mean one where the guy starting the train isn't RPing the whole game. You said the equivalent of "Galain is scum" at least twice, while now you claim that you never thought he was really scum, only hoped that he was, since it's so common to lynch an RI on day 1. To me these are very different things. Calling someone scum when trying to whip up votes for their lynch and then afterwards saying you figured he probably wasn't scum anyway...I mean, damn. I don't care if it's RP or what, you can't just say some dude is scum if you don't really think he is and expect us to believe you later.

I'll be back before the lynch. The TS thing still needs my attention, hopefully I can make some time before the vote.

[D'riss]

Telas, on 22 August 2011 - 11:17 PM, said:

ugh, I hate how this site keeps getting hacked by greedy bandwidth thieves.

so it seems like our lower posters for the most part have popped on and contributed (to varying degrees....)


well, i am still not seeing a very clear case for anyone or anything (not that i've even come close to figuring it out myself). so the main thing i dislike here is the lack of response from fener. i could understand not doing anything over the weekend, but even with the forum down this morning, i find it surprising not to have heard anything from him. problem is, i don't think scum is stupid enough to be so blatant (though people still are in a pickle as what to do with him).

i personally think that if we can't trust fener, let alone get any information from him, we either guard him tonight and kill d'riss or kill fener and guard d'riss. i mean, my biggest concern for the end of this day is leaving the killer unguarded and at the same time lynching a townie (which is of course the worst situation, esp. if the townie is roled), which is stating the obvious i know.

right now, until i actually see something from fener, i think we need to investigate both him and D'riss, especially if fener is correct about D'riss.

if barghast is correct and this is a weaker scum game, then we potentially only have one killer to knock off, and if we can sort out the fener/D'riss war, maybe we'll have something to go on. since there is a chance fener is roled, i am hesitant still to vote for him, however annoyed i may be.

D, on 22 August 2011 - 04:27 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 22 August 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

Kalse, on 20 August 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

I also don't like the weight that is being given to the idea that Fener has some kind of certain knowledge. This is pure speculation, and not even likely. People were saying not to be distracted yesterday, attacking others for trying to sow confusion.

And now people are advocating that we lynch based on Fener being silenced and voting D'riss. Because that might mean Fener knows D'riss is scum. Is that your first assumption every time someone votes someone else without reasoning? Or does being silenced somehow make it more likely, silenced scum-knowing roles being so common (and I'm not even talking just M&P here. Even without of M&P, that is not a common role. I'm not even sure if it's a role I've even seen)

And you know what, whatever his restrictions, Fener has been hugely unhelpful.

He has offered no explanation for D'riss, not commented on other cases, not presented anyone else he feels suspicious about.

He is striking me like a symp at the moment.

But testable to the speculation but if you don't want to vote out D'riss to test the theory then we can drill Fener with a bunch of yes no questions and have him respond with either or just to get more information.

Yeah, if Fener ever shows up. I know he isn't a finder. I want to ask him why he's got such a boner for me. His vote and disapperance have dominated day 2 and he is nowhere to be found. I think it will help move things along if you hear it from his mouth that he isn't a finder and just has a feeling that I am scum.

but this comment from d'riss saying he knows fener is not a finder rings super-scummy to me. there are only two reasons d'riss would truly have this information: one, d'riss is the finder and has already checked out fener, or two, d'riss is paired with fener as a lover and fener is distancing himself from d'riss (really a stretch if you ask me).

otherwise, d'riss is claiming things he can't know

explanation?

Vote D'riss

ummm really man? You forgot the 3rd, and correct option.That's because I am inno, i know he isn't a finder. It's all moot now that he has said he has no ability, but the point still stands. I said it before he said he had no ability. So before you go looking at me with your scum colored glasses, make sure you look at it from all angles. This kind of short sighted thinking is what loses games.

I am going to bed I will be back on before the lynch, unless you guys hammer early again. I would still prefer a Korlat lynch, but I would switch to TS for a lynch. I think TS is a bit too lost to be scum... but it could be an act. I am really not sure on him.

hasta manana

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2
8 hours and 40 minutes left of the day.

14 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

8 votes to lynch.
7 votes to go to night.

2 votes for D'riss ( Korlat, Tulas Shorn)
1 vote for Anthras (Karatallid)
4 votes for Tulas Shorn (Kalse, Barghast, Osseric, Fener)
2 votes for Korlat (Emurlahn, D'riss)
1 vote for Fener (Telas)

Players that have yet to vote: Anthras, Silanah, Thyrllan, Shadow, Emurlahn.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 23 August 2011 - 07:43 AM

[Karatallid]

i dont know what to make of this...its gone so far off left field of what a M&P should be.

Telas, on 22 August 2011 - 11:17 PM, said:

but this comment from d'riss saying he knows fener is not a finder rings super-scummy to me. there are only two reasons d'riss would truly have this information: one, d'riss is the finder and has already checked out fener, or two, d'riss is paired with fener as a lover and fener is distancing himself from d'riss (really a stretch if you ask me).

otherwise, d'riss is claiming things he can't know

explanation?

Vote D'riss

Telas, on 23 August 2011 - 02:20 AM, said:

if fener can retaliate so quickly with pictures saying scum and holding up the birdie, I am failing to see why he isn't spending more time explaining himself.

plus, now i think he is faking it, considering how he can edit text out of posts, which seems very suspicious for someone who is silenced.

remove vote


Vote Fener

Seems to me that Telas might be trying to force this whole D'riss/ Fener thing.

Could be trying to push a lynch in this direction in order to save TS.

Vote Tulas Shorn

[Thyrllan]

Dearest Silanah,

Thyrllan would like to point you to the old adage that nothing is certain in life but death and taxes. In Mafia, of course, this is doubly true. Thyrllan thought that Galain could be scum, of course, but just as Thyrllan thought Silanah could be scum but in either case having no real way to prove it on day 1. Thyrllan was not surprised when Galain came back inno, which is a different issue to the one which Silanah spins it to be. Thyrllan was penguin not surprised about Galain's CF because the odds said he was more likely to be inno than scum, as is true on every day 1, and Thyrllan has been there and back again on more day 1s than he cares penguin to remember. Thyrllan suspects that Silanah is taking advantage of Thyrllan's brutal honesty concerning Thyrllan in Silanah's questioning.

More importantly:

Thyrllan is deeply disturbed by Telas' paths of logical penguin reasoning. Or rather, his lack of logical reasoning. Thyrllan at first thought that this might be a very confused inno becoming frustrated and allowing that frustration to boil over, but Telas' arguments for voting for D'riss or for Fener come under the banner of just plain bizarre, and forced to the extreme. Thyrllan was deeply torn between voting for Korlat and voting for Tulas Shorn (with the likes of Emurlahn, Shadow, and a host of shady others lurking in the back of his mind), but Telas' actions and reasoning subsequent to Fener's vote switch have made up Thyrllan's mind.

Vote Tulas Shorn

However, Thyrllan will once more look at Korlat - and a few others if Thyrllan can find penguin the time as Thyrllan sees his duties and responsibilities coming to bite Thyrllan in the ass.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2
5 hours and 15 minutes left of the day.


14 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

8 votes to lynch.
7 votes to go to night.

2 votes for D'riss ( Korlat, Tulas Shorn)
6 votes for Tulas Shorn (Kalse, Barghast, Osseric, Fener, Karatallid, Thyrllan)
2 votes for Korlat (Emurlahn, D'riss)
1 vote for Fener (Telas)

Players that have yet to vote: Anthras, Silanah, Shadow.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 23 August 2011 - 10:51 AM

[Telas]

no, i;m not trying to save TS's ass. i've been with those suspicious of him since day 1. i'm just concerned with all the inconsistencies coming from fener (and now thyr) in regards to their "handicaps" that we have two people who are playing us. i don't think a townie would purposely create a handicap for themselves, but scum would fake a silence or mandatory text.

i am assuming that if fener is silenced and if he tries to send a message in his own text he will be mod killed. likewise, if thyr is forced to say "penguin" every post, if he fails to do so he would be mod killed.

Fener, on 23 August 2011 - 02:13 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 22 August 2011 - 05:35 PM, said:

4 votes for D'riss (, Korlat, Tulas Shorn,)

as i said earlier, fener altered a quote, erasing two names from a list of votes. if i understand a silence handicap correctly, this would normally not be allowed since the silenced person could just as easily erase the right words from a quote to leave behind words that formed coherent sentences. if for some reason this was allowed, why hasn't fener started using this method to communicate (seems just as cumbersome as pictures, but the end result would be much clearer)

Thyrllan, on 18 August 2011 - 09:52 PM, said:

Thyrllan revels in Galain's death! Now light will live everlasting! Inno? Pah! Galain was clearly some sort of symp/evil guard type. Clearly. Now if only Rashan, that bastard son of Galain, were around, Thyrllan could destroy him too and then nothing could stop Thyrllan!

i did note that thyr did not say "penguin" on his very first post on day 2 (see above quote), but i assumed that was because he didn't see his PM explaining his handicap right away. however, if he has subsequently failed to have "penguin" in some posts and isn't dead, that screams fakery. the only caveat is that fener pointed out this discrepancy, which lends credibility to his townie status (esp. if pointing out thyr's mistakes lynches one of the supposed few cult members)

the other thing that bothers me about thyr, and i know this has been brought up before, is the idea that he has two handicaps. i really believe that if he started with the handicap "speak like kruppe" we wouldn't see more requirements piling on him. if saying "penguin" was a handicap and assumably the only one, then his whole kruppe schtick is RPing, which while cute is terribly distracting and a good way to hide mistakes (e.g "you just misunderstood Thyrllan because you were blinded by his light. his language prowess must be a level above your ability to understand...")

so am i incorrect in these suspicions? and am i wrong about the consequences of disobeying a handicap mandate? and finally, is there ever a reason for townies to fake a distracting handicap, especially when we rely so much on text style and phrasing to figure out who to lynch?

i think TS is scummy if not scum, just like the rest of you, but if we are to be consistent, are we not trying to lynch roled cult first and then go after symps, or have our plans changed?

i will hold my vote on fener.

[Shadow]

Immediately following my post yesterday, my computer was afflicted by an evil virus (possibly from this very site), so I'm back now after a tech visit.

I will read up before posting my vote

[Anthras]

Well, the boards decided to start behaving in a freaking and annoying way -- has that occurred often here?

Anyway, after a table-top RPG marathon of Sunday-Monday with the party I'm DM-ing for, I finally caught some time to breathe - and able to read through things here. Although reading through some stuff, then coming back and finding them gone, is quite inconvenient and bothersome because I can't recite them word for word.

So, the biggest question that's being going on through my head currently is this ::: Why the fuck isn't Tulas fighting this.

He's standing at L-2 currently (I think). Add my vote, and it's Hammer time.
And yet, every single post he's done so far -- the vibe I get it, it's as if it's coming from someone who's ... 'mildly interested' in staying alive.
What the hell? He's not arguing strongly, not contesting every vote he receives (at least with the commitment and enthusiasm an inno should be having).
It feels as if he's given up already - before he's actually lynched.
Not trying to show we're doing a mistake, not threatening or screaming.
You've already accepted your fate it seems.... or you don't want to be linked or exposed through this, with the ones you are sided.

Perhaps instead of pointlessly arguing over schematics , you should have focused more energy elsewhere.


Vote TS


Who's laughing now, scum?

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2
57 minutes left of the day.


14 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

8 votes to lynch.
7 votes to go to night.

2 votes for D'riss ( Korlat, Tulas Shorn)
7 votes for Tulas Shorn (Kalse, Barghast, Osseric, Fener, Karatallid, Thyrllan, Anthras)
2 votes for Korlat (Emurlahn, D'riss)
1 vote for Fener (Telas)

Players that have yet to vote: Silanah, Shadow.

[Osseric]

not long left, who's around?

[Korlat]

I'm around do we have a reason to wait or should i drop the hammer?

[Korlat]

I don't see a reason Tulas has been on since he has had pressure he has had the chance to talk.


remove vote


Vote Tulas Shorn

[Osseric]

As long as you are around then you can wait a little while, see if he comes on but if you're going away then i'd leave a vote if no one else is around

[Korlat]

Too late

edit-Grammar

This post has been edited by Korlat: 23 August 2011 - 03:19 PM

[Thyrllan]

Thyrllan hopes that Telas still not voting for Tulas Shorn, despite saying Telas was penguin willing to switch, is a good sign of Tulas Shorn's scumminess.

Thyrllan is also decidedly unsure what this 'penguin' business some keep harping on about is about. They seem to be implying, if Thyrllan has deduced correctly, that Thyrllan has some sort of speech impediment. Thyrllan assures you that Thyrllan would be the first to notice something awry and unusual about the way Thyrllan speaks penguin!

[Anthras]

PS be a darling and give us our CF - I'll make you a chocolate-strawberries cake.























I lied.
Get on with the mofoing CF you lazy SOB!

[Korlat]

Haha i enjoyed that anth

[Tulas Shorn]

dead before I can add anymore