Mason of Death, on 13 August 2011 - 04:36 AM, said:
j2tks, on 11 August 2011 - 11:10 PM, said:
Cocoreturns, on 11 August 2011 - 06:40 AM, said:
A minor point but with regard to the issues of people rioting because of a lack of jobs - the areas with the highest unemployment rates in the UK are in Hull and Wales - No rioting
The most socially deprived areas in the UK are in Scotland - no rioting
So although these issues may be a source of anger, they're damn sure not the main cause.
i live in hull and theirs nowt worth looting here
, we'd probably have to burn the city down anyways, before the government considered doing anything.
and all the posts claiming get of your arse and you will find work, imo you havent got a clue.
it takes a lot money to move a family from one side of the city to another, nether mind all the way down fucking south,
to face what?
housing association red tape and availability/waiting lists
major disruption of your childrens life and schooling,
living on strange estates with no family or friends
a much higher cost of living,
no real job security
etc
but if you've nether experienced the frustrations of life at the very bottom you wouldn't know would you.
just like i couldnt begin to explain what justification some comfortably well off, middle class, white-collar, embezzling little shit has when he decides to rip off a load of pensioners just because he can
i dont condone violence and looting, but its a symptom of a big problem with society that governments in the western world ignore at their peril.
I agree with your post, but I have one question. How many of these guys that are out there rioting have a house and/or a family? Almost everything on your list only applies if you already have a job, a house, and kids. If these guys don't have them (which I'm pretty sure most of them don't) then they can move, and tolerate conditions that a family could not, to get a job. I personally have lived out of my car (albeit only for a few weeks), and I don't think that just because you don't have a job you should go ruin everyone else's.
So in essence, I agree with you, but I don't see how that applies here. Cheers.
Yeah fair enouth Mason you have a good point there, the problem is though these youths come from familys who have lived through exactly the same situation for two or three generations, their fathers, uncles and even grandfathers knew and lived with the same problems and frustrations.so their familial rolemodels are non existant,or skint ,or have their own little hustle's going.
in my experience the rolemodels you pick as a child and youth are the lads with the flashy cars, the best clothes and the fittest gf's hanging round.
and who has these things on an economicly depressed estate or city ghetto? the dealers, the gangs, the theives and other wide boys, thats who.
imo this breeds social apathy, resentment and general antisocial behavior and tendencies.
These problems existed in 1985 in the same area, but the authorities of the time failed to to come up with an adaquate solution and glossed over the real problems by basicly blaming the police only.(if i remember it right) so it and many other areas of urban britain simmered on.
so all in all these living conditions are not likely to instill a sense of social mobility or purpose in life in the average youth(of any colour or ethnicity)
it can take people years to wake up and see the social and political reality in which they live
i realise my point of veiw may seem totally sympathetic and biassed on the side of the rioters, but it honestly isnt. i believe a large part of the comminty has to take responsibility for its own biass' predjucies and attitudes, aswell as the government.
This post has been edited by j2tks: 14 August 2011 - 12:15 AM
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