[BlackMoranthofDoom]

Whatever hapenned to Felisin Younger and the remaining followers?

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Nothing. Paran fashioned a card for them called Salvation and says that in time it will pull free from the CG's influence and become truly Unaligned.

[tiam]

Might do a 7cities flashback where she or her cult is the dominant power

[LordofTheFallen]

Well her cult no longer has an army, no longer has a god associated with them, and exists on crippled believers. Basically its the Pannion Domin without any outward expansion. So I would assume that a few cripples may continue to enter it, but once felisin and the pebble eating guy have died off it will be done.

[tiam]

LordofTheFallen, on 24 July 2011 - 05:34 AM, said:

Well her cult no longer has an army, no longer has a god associated with them, and exists on crippled believers. Basically its the Pannion Domin without any outward expansion. So I would assume that a few cripples may continue to enter it, but once felisin and the pebble eating guy have died off it will be done.

I dont think so. 7c was in the grip of a plague with the survivors being scarred from it. The plague cult wouldnt need an army but I can see it becoming the dominant faith on 7c because it effects everyone on their. They said they were going to writie a new holy book so I can see it becoming a dominant power, like the lady in SW.

Also it would be a bit anti climatic to set all that up and nothing come from it.

[BlackMoranthofDoom]

Yeah I figured the the cult is still a potential threat to 7 Cities and since there in Raraku there is still the potential to slowly recruit new followers and develop an army.

Actually come to think of it there are so many loose threads still left like what hapenned to the 2 Kenry'llah demons from RG that the bonehunters fought. Also what hapenned to Draconus I think he left Kilmandaros and that's it he was not mentioned anymore?

This post has been edited by BlackMoranthofDoom: 24 July 2011 - 12:36 PM

[Sinisdar Toste]

BlackMoranthofDoom, on 24 July 2011 - 12:34 PM, said:

Yeah I figured the the cult is still a potential threat to 7 Cities and since there in Raraku there is still the potential to slowly recruit new followers and develop an army.

Actually come to think of it there are so many loose threads still left like what hapenned to the 2 Kenry'llah demons from RG that the bonehunters fought. Also what hapenned to Draconus I think he left Kilmandaros and that's it he was not mentioned anymore?

well, draconus was off to find the errant next i think, and oponn was tagging along.

also, the cult of salvation isn't in raraku, raraku's a sea now. they're in the hill's near g'danisban iirc.

[POOPOO MCBUMFACE]

This is more of a background question, so it feels like a slight thread hijack, but I didn't feel that it warranted a new thread. Apologies. In Midnight Tides, Bantam paperback p278, Udinaas' vision of Osserc talking to the three ugly sisters:

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"It was Scabandari's conceit to think this world's gods had not the power to oppose him [...] Heed that as a warning, my dears. Mother Dark's first children were spawned without need of any sire. And, despite what Anomander might claim, they were not Tiste Andii."

Who is he talking about here? The Eleint? Seems... off, somehow.

[worry]

Amoebas.

[LordofTheFallen]

tiam, on 24 July 2011 - 11:01 AM, said:

I dont think so. 7c was in the grip of a plague with the survivors being scarred from it. The plague cult wouldnt need an army but I can see it becoming the dominant faith on 7c because it effects everyone on their. They said they were going to writie a new holy book so I can see it becoming a dominant power, like the lady in SW.

Also it would be a bit anti climatic to set all that up and nothing come from it.

Well with the death of Poleil the plaque would either vanish completely, in which case no one would need the cult, or it would stop spreading. So the plagued poeple who haven't died yet may possibly join the cult, but eventually followers would stop trickling in and all the plaqued people would eventually die. It's a cult that worships crippledness in the middle of a desert (which would limit the amount of cripples who could get there) and it shows absolutly no desire to spread its influence beyond the city, I doubt many people even know about it. So once the main founding generation is dead it wouldn't be able to survive.

[Kanese S's]

Sinisdar Toste, on 24 July 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

BlackMoranthofDoom, on 24 July 2011 - 12:34 PM, said:

Yeah I figured the the cult is still a potential threat to 7 Cities and since there in Raraku there is still the potential to slowly recruit new followers and develop an army.

Actually come to think of it there are so many loose threads still left like what hapenned to the 2 Kenry'llah demons from RG that the bonehunters fought. Also what hapenned to Draconus I think he left Kilmandaros and that's it he was not mentioned anymore?

well, draconus was off to find the errant next i think, and oponn was tagging along.

also, the cult of salvation isn't in raraku, raraku's a sea now. they're in the hill's near g'danisban iirc.

I like to think that Oponn was skipping, while tagging along.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

POOPOO MCBUMFACE, on 25 July 2011 - 01:27 AM, said:

This is more of a background question, so it feels like a slight thread hijack, but I didn't feel that it warranted a new thread. Apologies. In Midnight Tides, Bantam paperback p278, Udinaas' vision of Osserc talking to the three ugly sisters:

Quote

"It was Scabandari's conceit to think this world's gods had not the power to oppose him [...] Heed that as a warning, my dears. Mother Dark's first children were spawned without need of any sire. And, despite what Anomander might claim, they were not Tiste Andii."

Who is he talking about here? The Eleint? Seems... off, somehow.

Almost certainly he's talking about the Elder Gods.

[POOPOO MCBUMFACE]

So Draconus is

ew

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Seems rather common.

Olar Ethil is both lover and daughter to Tiam.

[Abyss]

And it's a wee bit unclear whether the relation between EGs is actually familial, as opposed to their different aspects being wholly separate, altho really in the case of Draconus and Mommy D it's still a wee bit into Ewsville...

[Kanese S's]

Abyss, on 27 July 2011 - 04:03 PM, said:

And it's a wee bit unclear whether the relation between EGs is actually familial, as opposed to their different aspects being wholly separate, altho really in the case of Draconus and Mommy D it's still a wee bit into Ewsville...

It is?

Are they really related? I thought Draconus just sort of showed up one day and was like "Hey, Dark, honey. Lookin' mighty fine. What you need is some of ol' Draconus' lovin. Don't worry, baby, I'll treat you right" and then they started doing it. I guess.

We're saying that he's actually her... well, that just got all kinds of gross.

This post has been edited by Kanese S's: 27 July 2011 - 11:35 PM

[tiam]

LordofTheFallen, on 25 July 2011 - 02:24 AM, said:

tiam, on 24 July 2011 - 11:01 AM, said:

I dont think so. 7c was in the grip of a plague with the survivors being scarred from it. The plague cult wouldnt need an army but I can see it becoming the dominant faith on 7c because it effects everyone on their. They said they were going to writie a new holy book so I can see it becoming a dominant power, like the lady in SW.

Also it would be a bit anti climatic to set all that up and nothing come from it.

Well with the death of Poleil the plaque would either vanish completely, in which case no one would need the cult, or it would stop spreading. So the plagued poeple who haven't died yet may possibly join the cult, but eventually followers would stop trickling in and all the plaqued people would eventually die. It's a cult that worships crippledness in the middle of a desert (which would limit the amount of cripples who could get there) and it shows absolutly no desire to spread its influence beyond the city, I doubt many people even know about it. So once the main founding generation is dead it wouldn't be able to survive.

SE in the book claimed that the followers would work themselves free of the CG influence and it would become an unaligned power. Now that seems like a lot of hassle for it to die off off screen. While I agree the practicalities of cripples bouncing along into the desert are questionable its safe to say that they were set up to last longer than Felisin and that kid she named Crokus die the end kinda thing.

Something that always annoyed me about the books is about numbers.

The Tiste Andii that came through with Rake were not as large as the exodus that came with Ruin. While there is no proof of this it seems likely. Korlat claims in MOI there were but 40 when they sundered TCG realm which despite being a nascent realm still shows power. Now this occured in one of the chainings which we have no definable date for. She then claims that there are 1400 Tiste Andii now, then goes onto state that the resulting sorcery unleashed (potentially against Kallor to protect SilverFox) could destroy the continent. Now, even in GOTM the Andii were considered the mainstay of Broods forces yet Korlat, a reputable source, states there number at 1400. Yet at the end of TCG there are Andii in their thousands. Discrepancies or possibly me missing something. Now I can think of excuses such as Korlat wasnt referrin to all thte Andii and such but this seems like an inconsistency.

Furthermore there is a section in MOI where Korlat breaks down. Its where WJ says he assumed that she had been involved with another Andii for centuries and she asks what would be the point in that. WJ reply states companionship and children. Korlat then replies that children appear to escape... and then shes cut off by WJ the smooth bastard ruining a good piece of plot. Anyway revelations from TCG seem to suggest that they are escaping KG and following Rake but again im unsure how this fits.

[Sinisdar Toste]

there were thousands of andii at the end of tCG? when did that happen? maybe one thousand, at the upper limit.

This post has been edited by Sinisdar Toste: 16 August 2011 - 11:41 PM

[tiam]

Sinisdar Toste, on 16 August 2011 - 11:41 PM, said:

there were thousands of andii at the end of tCG? when did that happen? maybe one thousand, at the upper limit.

Thats what I thought. The numbers dont add up. I will now check the book for references.

P.577- battle for Kharkanas has just finished. 'these few hundred- were surrounded once more. But this time those facing them were Tiste Andii, in their thousands.'

This makes sense in relation to the centre of Broods forces being the Andii comment in GOTM but doesnt fit with the numbers in MOI.

[Sinisdar Toste]

hm, well, it's possible that not all of the andii had accompanied rake and brood to coral during the pannion war. some may have stayed up north then filtered down to black coral later. i can imagine some of them just drifting away from the host as it marched as well.

still, it may just be the effect of 'thousands' that erikson is going for here, not the reality. it may seem like 'thousands' to the decimated shake, as they are surrounded, but still be only a thousand or so.