[Grief]

Night vote is against innos best interest. Considering how often this has been explained, I feel it's getting past misunderstanding. Letting the finders kill first barely reduces the lynch pool, and actively reduces the number of lynches we can miss.

It is not good for us to have the finders actually kill MH before we lynch him.

[ansible]

Pretty unreal.

Remove vote

Vote Shinrei

[Grief]

I believe that is a night vote passed.

Things I don't like:

Tattersail, on 18 July 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

Tomorrow I will refuse to do a find. We lynch tomorrow.

Could easily have done this today.

Tattersail, on 18 July 2011 - 03:46 PM, said:

How do you know HO will come back as Inno? What is the point in me finding someone if they are presumed inno?

Tat has a point. The best use of a finder in a game like this is probably finding controversial targets. This could help us avoid a mislynch, rather than finding people we're not going for at all. To be fair, HO was receiving a bit of heat before the weekend.

What I don't like is that he has previously contradicted the line of thought his post suggests by finding Gust Hubb.

twelve, on 18 July 2011 - 04:35 PM, said:

HiddenOne same goes for you. Right now we have 5 people wanting one more person cleared and then we are in agreement that a lynch must happen. The sooner a couple more of you agree to this then the sooner we can get a lynch going.

Pressuring people to vote. GH does this below as well. I'm still not fond of Twelve's play. He is still advocating night voting, which potentially wastes our finder kills. The reasoning now is that we narrow it down by going for people most likely to be inno. Thing is, that doesn't narrow it down at all. It isn't narrowing down the suspect pool if the people being found were barely suspected/we were very unlikely to lynch them anyway. Twelve was appealing to those wishing to lynch, advocating "The sooner a couple more of you agree to this then the sooner we can get a lynch going.". There was already a lynch going. There was a reasonably sized train already, with tattersail previously being on it(and claiming to want a lynch). Not only that, but we still had several hours left in the day. Instead, we have to wait for the mod to finish the day, then start trying to lynch from scratch again tommorrow.

HiddenOne, on 18 July 2011 - 04:42 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 18 July 2011 - 04:38 PM, said:

Also, odd to have HO going for a lynch right before being found?

Don't be silly, GH



Remove vote

Vote night

In response to twelve, OK lets move forward

Have we heard any sign that P-S is active?

This whole exchange is dodgy as well. GH pressures HO to change vote by implying it looks bad for him not to do so. HO then folds pretty easily.

Both of these things look bad.

[HiddenOne]

@ Grief - My change of vote really didn't have anything to do with GH's comment. I changed because the only people that had been around were the night voters.

[twelve]

Fuck it.

And I thought I had no patience.

remove vote

vote Shin

Let's get this game moving somewhere.

[HiddenOne]

This is a scene from the classic film "Douchey Part II"


You guys pushed night like it was free drugs then when I changed my night vote just to get some action moving, you start changing votes to Shin. I was vote #6 for night, I think it is night.

Where was this desire to lynch hours ago, we could have finished with a lynch instead of night. /frustration

I'm not going to post anything else until I hear something from P-S

[Gust Hubb]

Not cool twelve.

[Khellendros]

Grief, on 18 July 2011 - 04:50 PM, said:

Night vote is against innos best interest. Considering how often this has been explained, I feel it's getting past misunderstanding. Letting the finders kill first barely reduces the lynch pool, and actively reduces the number of lynches we can miss.

It is not good for us to have the finders actually kill MH before we lynch him.

I agree, this is beyond ridiculous and getting to a point where I'm starting to think it's scummy.

Anyway, that is definitely night now, twelve's change of vote was too late. Twelve's "oh I see nothing happened over the weekend - vote night" was pretty interesting too - no effort to even acknowledge there's a different point of view. Grief, ansible and myself have all gone over and over why we think we shouldn't vote night and should lynch - there's been no effort on twelve's part to reciprocate and say why he thinks we shouldn't lynch.

[twelve]

I'm not saying we shouldn't lynch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just want a smaller pool of players to scrutinize before we lynch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that too hard for you people to understand? We have a limited number of times to get this right.

[Khellendros]

You're right, doing finds on people we don't find suspicious anyway totally makes sense.

Why can't you see that if you've stated you don't suspect certain people you've already removed them from the lynch pool, as you're not about to make cases or attempt to lynch them anyway, are you? Well, I guess you might, come to think of it.

What a waste of time.

[Gust Hubb]

Well, I say we see what Tat has to say about his latest find, hope to the gods that the other finder reveals and let's us know who else is in the clear, and then vote. I am surprised that Shin hasn't shown up despite all this action. I plan to vote for either Shin, who is really suspicious, or twelve, who is undermining the attempt to approach this game carefully and thoroughly.

[Gust Hubb]

And where is P-S. Isn't like an hour or two past night? Do we have a backup P-S?

[Tattersail_]

FFS. FF bloody S. Whatever the result I reckon we start tomorrow with a quick lynch of Shin. If everyone was prepared to do it tonight then why not tomorrow, lets gets a good bit of information going so we can actually make this game a bit exciting. I don't mind lynching an innocent as long as we get there in the end. I would prefer to try and lynch MH before we find him. Otherwise every bloody day is going to be long and frustrating. With a small pool of players it will be easier for me and finder number 2 to find MH and therefore bring it home for town.

[Mentalist]

I'm back. did I miss much?

[Gust Hubb]

Ok, barring any revelations from a second finder, Tat, I am in FFS. I will Vote Shin as soon as you get back on HO and P-S ends this bloody day.

[Mentalist]

looks like nothing's happening. all right, off to unpack

[Grief]

twelve, on 18 July 2011 - 07:28 PM, said:

I'm not saying we shouldn't lynch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just want a smaller pool of players to scrutinize before we lynch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that too hard for you people to understand? We have a limited number of times to get this right.

Your claim is easily understood, it just doesn't make sense tactically.

If the finders actually find MH by repeatedly going to night as was suggested earlier in this game, the pool of players is reduced by very little.

It is actually bad for us to have the finders kill MH before we lynch him and stupid for us to risk the finders killing MH this early by going to night. We gain little by it, and risk losing lynches.

The crux of the problem is this:

The finders have the greatest risk of hitting MH finding people we suspect most. We don't actually want this at this stage.
There is no point in the finders finding people who we suspect least, because that won't stop us mislynching.

[Grief]

Tattersail, on 18 July 2011 - 08:00 PM, said:

FFS. FF bloody S. Whatever the result I reckon we start tomorrow with a quick lynch of Shin. If everyone was prepared to do it tonight then why not tomorrow, lets gets a good bit of information going so we can actually make this game a bit exciting. I don't mind lynching an innocent as long as we get there in the end. I would prefer to try and lynch MH before we find him. Otherwise every bloody day is going to be long and frustrating. With a small pool of players it will be easier for me and finder number 2 to find MH and therefore bring it home for town.

Voting night wastes the chance to lynch. It also risks having the finders waste a kill. That doesn't mean we have to rush tomorrow, wasting time to get information from debate.

I think we should lynch. But there is no need to start planning a speed lynch on someone before they have a chance to defend themselves.

[twelve]

Having the finders clear players who we think are innocent is the only way to know for sure they are in fact innocent. I don't want to focus lynching players when we are so far off that the real scum is hiding in the presumed innocent pool. I'm back to the you only get 5 strikes and you are out aspect of the game. But whatever.

I switched my vote from night because I thought that we were still 2 votes short of actually getting a night vote

remove vote

vote night

On the off chance that we actually didn't get a night vote and PS is sitting back laughing at us for not getting the correct number of votes needed for an action.

[ansible]

twelve, on 18 July 2011 - 08:51 PM, said:

Having the finders clear players who we think are innocent is the only way to know for sure they are in fact innocent. I don't want to focus lynching players when we are so far off that the real scum is hiding in the presumed innocent pool. I'm back to the you only get 5 strikes and you are out aspect of the game. But whatever.

I switched my vote from night because I thought that we were still 2 votes short of actually getting a night vote

remove vote

vote night

On the off chance that we actually didn't get a night vote and PS is sitting back laughing at us for not getting the correct number of votes needed for an action.

I'm just curious - do you understand that someone can only be "innocent" until MH dies?