[Tattersail_]

So who do you think is best target out of the three?

[ansible]

Good question.

Remove vote

I need to reread the last couple pages and reevaluate. Probably be a couple hours till I can make a solid go of it. Why are you thinking Shin again?

[Gust Hubb]

Ok, to state myself more explicitly, early on I was of the mind that we needed to get at least 2-3 lynch free days to give the finders time to winnow down the suspect list (which happened) and that we also needed to know their finds which meant both of them revealing (which happened). Then from the smaller pool of suspects we could day lynch until we hit MH and restarted this process all over again (which we are doing)

Ansible, you may be a finder, but seriously you just make comments that don't make much sense and you act like a tool. Of course a finder would reveal before being day lynched, but at that point, most likely people would just follow through on principle since people say a lot of things when they are about to be lynched (e.g. Khells). As for voting night, as stated in the previous paragraph, makes sense with the strategy I have been espousing. Finally, in the end it all comes down to the same thing, lynching these last three unknowns. I guess if there is concern over the presence of 2 active MH's this would be a great opportunity to confirm or deny that proposition (though we need commitment from enough people to carry through with these lynches even after an MH [the first of two or the only one] has jumped bodies).

Do you understand?

Edit: sense not since

This post has been edited by Gust Hubb: 20 July 2011 - 03:24 PM

[Gust Hubb]

Hey Tat, btw, it was never confirmed that the find PMs were the same format and length between you and ansible. Are you two not going to confirm that?

[Vengeance]

You know another viable strategy that I don't believe anyone has talked about is to lynch everyone not the finders. That way the MH will have no one to jump into. He won't be able to jump into either one of the finders and the town will win.


Just an idea.

So are we lynching Shin.

[ansible]

Vengeance, on 20 July 2011 - 03:28 PM, said:

You know another viable strategy that I don't believe anyone has talked about is to lynch everyone not the finders. That way the MH will have no one to jump into. He won't be able to jump into either one of the finders and the town will win.


Just an idea.

So are we lynching Shin.

Win conditions for town are to kill MH 6 times, not to prevent him from jumping. If we kill everyone before he dies 6 times then town loses.

[Khellendros]

Vengeance, on 20 July 2011 - 03:28 PM, said:

You know another viable strategy that I don't believe anyone has talked about is to lynch everyone not the finders. That way the MH will have no one to jump into. He won't be able to jump into either one of the finders and the town will win.


Just an idea.

So are we lynching Shin.

Maybe...although I feel PS may have thought of that. I guess if you have two scum left (i.e. the two remaining innose MHs were forced to jump into) and two finders, you can no longer get a lynch, so scum would win.

[Khellendros]

Khellendros, on 20 July 2011 - 03:33 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 20 July 2011 - 03:28 PM, said:

You know another viable strategy that I don't believe anyone has talked about is to lynch everyone not the finders. That way the MH will have no one to jump into. He won't be able to jump into either one of the finders and the town will win.


Just an idea.

So are we lynching Shin.

Maybe...although I feel PS may have thought of that. I guess if you have two scum left (i.e. the two remaining innose MHs were forced to jump into) and two finders, you can no longer get a lynch, so scum would win.

Unless the FKs had two kills remaining!

[Tattersail_]

Khel was at 3 votes and Shin and Kurt had 1. PS told us or informed us that 2 out of the 3 players left were MH. Then Shin comes on and votes for Kurt because he seemed more scummy, WTF is up with that. If Shin was inno he would have or should have not cared who out of the two he voted for because they both would have been scum. Also a few days back over the weekend I laid down a vote on him and he immediately came on and dismissed the post, I think he self voted and said he'd help town if we thought lynching him would be okay. Self votes are not helpful because they dismiss everyone's thoughts on the lynch. I mean I turned away from lynching him because I was in the mindset that MH wouldn't self vote. Now we are left with 3 people. 1 Kurt is a low poster, he hasn't said much but Ment said that is his style. Khel who has been helpful town most of the game but could have been seen as leading us by the nose and would compliment Kurt's play, one high posting the other low posting. Then Shin, who I think has had a lot of interest in the thread but only when he is mentioned or targeted. He hasn't contributed as much as Khel and was one of the people who others thought was lying low. After looking through what I have just written i'd be inclined to vote Kurt as much as Shin but since most of my finds have been off i'd again vote for Khel based on the fact that he "looks" like the most innocent and as a MH that is how you'd want to look. Kurt strikes me as RI who isn't too bothered. With Shin actively taking part but looking like he is hiding then it may be a good idea to lynch Khel and Shin. However if you go at face value then Kurt and Shin look likely to be scum, so to me Shin looks to be the constant. Do I make sense?

[Khellendros]

Anyway, I agree that you have to lynch at least twice from our pool of three, if for no other reason than to confirm beyond doubt the number of MHs.

Keep in mind that as soon as you lynch one MH, someone almost certainly outside of our suspect pool will become MH, so it's worth keeping a close eye on the way people vote after the first lynch.

[ansible]

Gust Hubb, on 20 July 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

Ok, to state myself more explicitly, early on I was of the mind that we needed to get at least 2-3 lynch free days to give the finders time to winnow down the suspect list (which happened) and that we also needed to know their finds which meant both of them revealing (which happened). Then from the smaller pool of suspects we could day lynch until we hit MH and restarted this process all over again (which we are doing)

Ansible, you may be a finder, but seriously you just make comments that don't make much sense and you act like a tool. Of course a finder would reveal before being day lynched, but at that point, most likely people would just follow through on principle since people say a lot of things when they are about to be lynched (e.g. Khells). As for voting night, as stated in the previous paragraph, makes sense with the strategy I have been espousing. Finally, in the end it all comes down to the same thing, lynching these last three unknowns. I guess if there is concern over the presence of 2 active MH's this would be a great opportunity to confirm or deny that proposition (though we need commitment from enough people to carry through with these lynches even after an MH [the first of two or the only one] has jumped bodies).

Do you understand?

Edit: sense not since

Sorry dude, I guess you don't understand how the game works. Finder reveal almost always stops a lynch, at least for one night while his info is confirmed. If a town member fake-revealed as Finder to save his own ass, he'd be hurting town immensely; this is a mistake reserved for noobs. Voting night to use FKs before lynching never made any sense, and yet you supported it for the first half of the game.

Facts just ain't on your side, yo.

[ansible]

Gust Hubb, on 20 July 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

Hey Tat, btw, it was never confirmed that the find PMs were the same format and length between you and ansible. Are you two not going to confirm that?

How do you know we already haven't? I know you want to know everything man but you need to relax and stop begging for information you don't need. It's embarrassing.

[Khellendros]

I'm not sure I can convince you guys that I am inno. Tattersail is obviously right to be suspicious of me coming across too much as a helpful inno, especially if there's another MH who can keep quiet while the other talks himself silly, so I don't begrudge that. I'd have the same suspicions.

I guess the strongest argument I can use in my defence is that both your other suspects I've voted for in the past. Kurt (twice, and let's not forget how many other people suspected him), and as for Shinrei, who you guys seem to be swinging round to suspecting the most now, I actually started that train when he was first in danger of being lynched.

Edit: Added last few words for clarity.

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 20 July 2011 - 03:44 PM

[Gust Hubb]

ansible, on 20 July 2011 - 03:41 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 20 July 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

Hey Tat, btw, it was never confirmed that the find PMs were the same format and length between you and ansible. Are you two not going to confirm that?

How do you know we already haven't? I know you want to know everything man but you need to relax and stop begging for information you don't need. It's embarrassing.

If you guys are communicating off thread, this wouldn't have been asked in the first place. And so far all the information I have asked for and been given has been considered useful if not overly delayed.

[Gust Hubb]

ansible, on 20 July 2011 - 03:38 PM, said:

Sorry dude, I guess you don't understand how the game works. Finder reveal almost always stops a lynch, at least for one night while his info is confirmed. If a town member fake-revealed as Finder to save his own ass, he'd be hurting town immensely; this is a mistake reserved for noobs. Voting night to use FKs before lynching never made any sense, and yet you supported it for the first half of the game.

Facts just ain't on your side, yo.

You mean you ain't on my side (never have been. been harrying me since day one with OMGUS statements). And as for town-member fake revealing, have you forgotten Venge's move so quickly? This isn't your average game of Mafia ansible. Get it through your rock hard skull.

[Gust Hubb]

Path-Shaper, on 20 July 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

A clarification I gave out in PM just now, given to you all for your benefit:

"Anyone who (also) is Meng Huo will be found in finds." <-- this statement is true with or without the also.

Tattersail, on 20 July 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

Khel was at 3 votes and Shin and Kurt had 1. PS told us or informed us that 2 out of the 3 players left were MH. Then Shin comes on and votes for Kurt because he seemed more scummy, WTF is up with that. If Shin was inno he would have or should have not cared who out of the two he voted for because they both would have been scum. Also a few days back over the weekend I laid down a vote on him and he immediately came on and dismissed the post, I think he self voted and said he'd help town if we thought lynching him would be okay. Self votes are not helpful because they dismiss everyone's thoughts on the lynch. I mean I turned away from lynching him because I was in the mindset that MH wouldn't self vote. Now we are left with 3 people. 1 Kurt is a low poster, he hasn't said much but Ment said that is his style. Khel who has been helpful town most of the game but could have been seen as leading us by the nose and would compliment Kurt's play, one high posting the other low posting. Then Shin, who I think has had a lot of interest in the thread but only when he is mentioned or targeted. He hasn't contributed as much as Khel and was one of the people who others thought was lying low. After looking through what I have just written i'd be inclined to vote Kurt as much as Shin but since most of my finds have been off i'd again vote for Khel based on the fact that he "looks" like the most innocent and as a MH that is how you'd want to look. Kurt strikes me as RI who isn't too bothered. With Shin actively taking part but looking like he is hiding then it may be a good idea to lynch Khel and Shin. However if you go at face value then Kurt and Shin look likely to be scum, so to me Shin looks to be the constant. Do I make sense?

Hey Tat, P-S didn't confirm that there are two MHs. We can check still, but P-S left a vague statement that left itself open for use in a 1 MH and 2MH game. D'rek isn't giving us the answer there unfortunately. She's good, oooh so good.....

[ansible]

Gust Hubb, on 20 July 2011 - 03:44 PM, said:

ansible, on 20 July 2011 - 03:41 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 20 July 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

Hey Tat, btw, it was never confirmed that the find PMs were the same format and length between you and ansible. Are you two not going to confirm that?

How do you know we already haven't? I know you want to know everything man but you need to relax and stop begging for information you don't need. It's embarrassing.

If you guys are communicating off thread, this wouldn't have been asked in the first place. And so far all the information I have asked for and been given has been considered useful if not overly delayed.

Except that everyone has moved past confirming that Tatts and I are finders. Neither he nor I are suspicious that the other one is lying. You're telling me that the finders agree on each others' identity but YOU'RE not satisfied and need to see our PMs?

P.S. There are other ways to know if the other "finder" is telling the truth that you may not know about. For instance, if you read carefully, I already said that Tatts' role PM matched what I had. He also confirmed that he found and cleared someone I had already cleared (after I revealed). You've been calling for finder reveals since the beginning of the game but you don't seem to be satisfied with the result. If you are really so hung up on this, Tattersail and I can find each other tonight so you can shut the fuck up about it. Deal?

[ansible]

Gust Hubb, on 20 July 2011 - 03:46 PM, said:

ansible, on 20 July 2011 - 03:38 PM, said:

Sorry dude, I guess you don't understand how the game works. Finder reveal almost always stops a lynch, at least for one night while his info is confirmed. If a town member fake-revealed as Finder to save his own ass, he'd be hurting town immensely; this is a mistake reserved for noobs. Voting night to use FKs before lynching never made any sense, and yet you supported it for the first half of the game.

Facts just ain't on your side, yo.

You mean you ain't on my side (never have been. been harrying me since day one with OMGUS statements). And as for town-member fake revealing, have you forgotten Venge's move so quickly? This isn't your average game of Mafia ansible. Get it through your rock hard skull.

Sorry dude. I guess you are taking things too personally but acting like you are the tough guy who has all the information when you're really a noob and RI is not impressive. If you will read more carefully, I said that someone who fake-reveals as Finder to stop himself from being lynched hurts town. In Venge's case no one was trying to lynch him - and he rolled back on his claim as soon as I counter-revealed. If an RI claimed Finder to avoid a lynch it's almost always a bad play. I can't think of any time where it would be beneficial.

[Khellendros]

Dudes, I don't think it matters now really anyway. We've got a plan people seem to generally agree on, let's just be happy with that.

[Gust Hubb]

ansible, on 20 July 2011 - 03:52 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 20 July 2011 - 03:44 PM, said:

ansible, on 20 July 2011 - 03:41 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 20 July 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

Hey Tat, btw, it was never confirmed that the find PMs were the same format and length between you and ansible. Are you two not going to confirm that?

How do you know we already haven't? I know you want to know everything man but you need to relax and stop begging for information you don't need. It's embarrassing.

If you guys are communicating off thread, this wouldn't have been asked in the first place. And so far all the information I have asked for and been given has been considered useful if not overly delayed.

Except that everyone has moved past confirming that Tatts and I are finders. Neither he nor I are suspicious that the other one is lying. You're telling me that the finders agree on each others' identity but YOU'RE not satisfied and need to see our PMs?

P.S. There are other ways to know if the other "finder" is telling the truth that you may not know about. For instance, if you read carefully, I already said that Tatts' role PM matched what I had. He also confirmed that he found and cleared someone I had already cleared (after I revealed). You've been calling for finder reveals since the beginning of the game but you don't seem to be satisfied with the result. If you are really so hung up on this, Tattersail and I can find each other tonight so you can shut the fuck up about it. Deal?

I'm just house keeping ansible, making sure we don't miss anything and get screwed in the end. I double checked, and Tat asked this question of you and you never responded. I guess after Venge admitting to fake revealing it was assumed you were the real deal, but I asked anyways just to ensure that Tat was satisfied and everyone else was too. I figured that since we had you and Tat online, now would be a good time to ask.

And really the only thing I'm "hung up on" is your continual assholery and know-it-all veteran act. Frankly, as a blatant newbie, I feel responsible to explain myself and derail the bullies anti-newbie arguments, especially in a game as unusual as this one. I know it's not personal, hence all this being only within this thread, and maybe we can have a nice conversation in the chat room afterwards (either way, whatever).