[Gust Hubb]

Well, sorry for the reveals suggestion. I actually had forgot about the potential of killers in my eagerness to propose my idea. I will

VOTE NIGHT

for now (I feel so liberated!!!) and wait to see what the rest choose. I will be around later this afternoon and a little longer right at this time (that's backwards, oh well).

[Mentalist]

twelve, on 13 July 2011 - 06:37 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 13 July 2011 - 03:50 AM, said:

Clarification: All (useful) abilities are outlined in the setup thread. There are no hidden (useful) mechanics/roles/abilities.

Oh Come on!!!! .


My elephants skin is a nice gangerous Green hint with Yellow pus filled oozing sores. It's tusks are a lovely shade of Black rot with cancerous Orange veins running through them. It's breath is so rotten it makes me nearly pass out. It's so bad I have to wear a triple layer wool mask over my nose and mouth. For feeding I have to

vote night

just to survive me peeking a look under his bamboo mask. Medusa has nothing on my pachyderm for taking people out and keeping them in line.



Now fools don't go voting me out for this post or my vote. I'll be around in 8 hours I'm leaving you with nothing to talk about other than my vote. The rest of this post is a tip of the hat to the mod for her great creativty. My vote is in all seriousness. I'll explain my reasoning when I get up on the morning. If you think about it my vote makes sense.


Now I too am off to blissful slumber.


Oh and I changed my mind at the last minute. Welcome everyone.

what is this, I don't even....

[Vengeance]

I wasnt umping on you to bad gust. I didnt vote for you. Plus this is MAFIA. There is no love in MAFIA only the blood of your enemy's and the sounds of their crying women.


Editted: phone

This post has been edited by Vengeance: 13 July 2011 - 04:15 PM

[Gust Hubb]

Vengeance, on 13 July 2011 - 04:13 PM, said:

I was jumping on you to bad gust. I dint vote for you. Plus this is MAFIA. There is no love in MAFIA only the blood of your enemy's and the sounds of their crying women.

Fair enough. I was just alarmed (though I broke yet another taboo ) Thanks for clarifying you smelly bastard (no love like that?).

[HiddenOne]

Group hug everyone!

[Grief]

Path shapers clarification and the lack of scum killing roles in the OP makes me doubt that the scum will be killing. We have to kill Meng 6 times, and the shifts will set us back hugely in terms of information. There is no way he has any kind of decent killing power on top of that. Particularly if he has symps, which there is at least support for in the OP.

[Khellendros]

I like the idea of attempting to coordinate the finders so that they don't at least investigate the same person.

In the meantime, Vote HiddenOne, for this:

HiddenOne, on 13 July 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

You guys have covered a lot of ground in the last little while.

Remove Vote


I think we should lynch, but make every effort to work a case if possible.

Back later

Nothing sentence disguised as a useful opinion. "Hey guys, we should try and do a case if we can!" No, really? That's genius! Clearly trying to seem like they're contributing when in fact they're working against us. How about that for working a case?

[Khellendros]

And if not lynched, then HO is someone I'd like to see investigated. And if not them, then, I dunno, Vengeance, for being too much on the other end of the usefulness scale

Edited for grammar

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 13 July 2011 - 04:32 PM

[Grief]

It also does seem to me that we would benefit from knowing who the finders found. Maybe not by having them reveal, but if everyone on thread can agree that x and y should be found, and that we'll operate next day under the assumption that they have been, then the finders would be doing more harm than good by not finding those two, as them doing so would narrow down the field the next day considerably, and them not doing so could hurt us. The only problem is that without them revealing, we're just assuming they are doing what the majority wishes them to, and there's no safeguard against them deciding to do their own thing and that messing us up because we assume someone is inno who isn't. I reckon it'd work though.

[Mentalist]

Gust Hubb, on 13 July 2011 - 03:45 PM, said:

So I have a proposal. Since we can reveal anything and everything (by the way, my abilities allow me to get on and off of my elephant, that's right!!! eat it motherfuckers!!!!), why don't we do a coordinated sweep with the finders. We can designate a group we want checked out and maybe lynch or not lynch some one else. With this coordination, we at most would have 2 liars (unless some townie just likes fucking around with us) and since the finders are safe from recruiting, there should be no initial risk in declaring. Whaddaya think?

you stole my power, you bastard!

[Mentalist]

Also, venge being this helpful is pretty scary.

[Grief]

Vote Twelve

He voted for night, claiming he would come back and explain it. This post is a bad one as well. It is a huge post, with what he calls a serious vote. However, the majority of the post is completely irrelevant to his vote. He obviously had time to explain his vote but didn't. His first post back:

twelve, on 13 July 2011 - 02:58 PM, said:

But you are forgetting the most important aspect of killing Meng Huo. You have to do it 6 times!!! There are 12 players. That means that half the playing field will at some point need to be MH for town to win. Sure by lynching someone you give the finders a better chance of finding Meng Huo unless you end up killing a finder by mistake. At that point it would give Meng Huo that much greater advantage to make it until the end.

And the explanation is simply "We might hit the finders".

He also posts that he is sure that the scum have a killing power. This just doesn't make sense. Particularly given that he obviously understands the difficulty of finding him 6 times.

He justifies his night vote further by agreeing with Khell. However, he doesn't add to Khells argument at all. Indeed, he hasn't really been that involved in terms of giving reasoning in the debate about when to lynch.

His justifications for voting night are pretty weak. We might lynch the finders true. But this is pretty unlikely, and they can reveal to save themselves without too great a cost(after all, they're untouchable by recruitment until they've used up their power anyhow. The main cost I can see would be it's better for them to be secret in case we mess up and MH gets a majority while they still have kills, but at that stage, we're doing pretty badly anyway). It also makes even less sense if he believes scum to have a killing power, since that would place greater urgency on us to lynch. He doesn't really address issues such as lynching reducing the pool of potetial MH(both by lynch and by leaving the FKs immune for longer) which is one of the reasons lynching early seems better to me.

He then votes vengeance having "been convinvced that a lynch day one even with the winning conditions of killing Meng Huo 6 times on the board isn't a terrible idea". This is pretty vague. Again doesn't really get involved in the discussion about when to lynch.

He seems to have voted with little reasoning, and is in fact a terrible idea if he believes scum can kill which he is apparently sure of, then later tried to justify it by agreeing with others. He hasn't really contributed much, and his switch to vengeance and lack of explanation strikes me as off.

As well as this, I don't like his post padding. He hasn't contributed much at all, but has made himself look more active by lengthening some of his posts with RP and padding his post count with pretty irrelevant stuff.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 13 hours and 8 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: ansible, Grief, Gust Hubb, HiddenOne, Khellendros, Kurt Montandon, Mentalist, Roldom, Shinrei, Tattersail, twelve, Vengeance

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for HiddenOne ( Khellendros )
2 Votes for Vengeance ( Shinrei, twelve )
1 Vote for twelve ( Grief )
1 Vote for Night ( Gust Hubb )

Players not voted: ansible, HiddenOne, Kurt Montandon, Mentalist, Roldom, Tattersail, Vengeance

[HiddenOne]

Khellendros, on 13 July 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

I like the idea of attempting to coordinate the finders so that they don't at least investigate the same person.

In the meantime, Vote HiddenOne, for this:

HiddenOne, on 13 July 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

You guys have covered a lot of ground in the last little while.

Remove Vote


I think we should lynch, but make every effort to work a case if possible.

Back later

Nothing sentence disguised as a useful opinion. "Hey guys, we should try and do a case if we can!" No, really? That's genius! Clearly trying to seem like they're contributing when in fact they're working against us. How about that for working a case?

If we're going to get this organized, then coordingating finders is a must. My opinion here is to be joined to the others; some want to go night, some want to lynch, some want to start a witchhunt. I just don't want to lose sight of traditional cases & such. Call me old-fashioned. Not sure how you think I'm working against us. Would it help if I throw some quick percentages out there?

[Khellendros]

HiddenOne, on 13 July 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 13 July 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

I like the idea of attempting to coordinate the finders so that they don't at least investigate the same person.

In the meantime, Vote HiddenOne, for this:

HiddenOne, on 13 July 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

You guys have covered a lot of ground in the last little while.

Remove Vote


I think we should lynch, but make every effort to work a case if possible.

Back later

Nothing sentence disguised as a useful opinion. "Hey guys, we should try and do a case if we can!" No, really? That's genius! Clearly trying to seem like they're contributing when in fact they're working against us. How about that for working a case?

If we're going to get this organized, then coordingating finders is a must. My opinion here is to be joined to the others; some want to go night, some want to lynch, some want to start a witchhunt. I just don't want to lose sight of traditional cases & such. Call me old-fashioned. Not sure how you think I'm working against us. Would it help if I throw some quick percentages out there?

It would be 100% more than you've done so far. Ooooh!

[twelve]

Good for you Gust Hubb. I'm all for breaking the trend of killing off vote for night players day one.

@grief

My defense for voting night has very little to do with we might hit finders.

If town lynches wrong more than 6 times it's game over. Scum wins. We don't know for sure that Meng Huo does or does not have killing powers. We also don't know for sure if the finders share a total of 3 kills on correct finds or they each have 3 each. When I made the suggestion for voting for night I read the OP as each finder has 3 kills each. With that in my mind to balance out Meng Huo's chances of winning giving him a killing power would make sense. If everyone is right and Meng Huo does not have killing powers then voting for night won't hurt at all. Then if there is no night killing then most likely the finders share only 3 find/kills between them and it will now be up to the town to do the leg work of killing Meng Huo 3 times via lynches. Voting night provides information and might even puts us in a better position that we currently are in.

As for coordinating finders I have no idea how to do that. The Generals aren't named in the OP. There is a good chance that they don't know each other. How are you going to have them coordinate without revealing that they are in fact finders. If there is a way to coordinate then I'm good with putting finds on HiddenOne and Vengeance but without a reveal from at least one of them then I don't see how to do it.

[HiddenOne]

@ Kell - Nice, touche'

@twelve - I welcome the attention pointed at me by Kell and invite a finder to look me over at will

As far as revealing that info when discovered, if odds are in favor of most likely finding town, then we agree on people to be looked at, if the are inno, the next day nothing is said and we move on to the next ones. I read th OP to say that each finder will be independent, so thats 2 a day. If the person is MH, the finder can try to build a legit case and only reveal if it looks like a lynch will fail.

I know this doesn't cover the many variables, but its a start.

[Mentalist]

you know, sitting around, waiting for finders to find scum may be a safer way, but it sure as hell isn't the MAFIA way.

vote twelve

essentially you are suggesting we rely on the finders to solve everything. that's just a poor plan, imo.

[Khellendros]

The finders don't have to be revealed. The majority of us simply agree on two that we would like to see investigated, and then we put our faith in the finders that they go after those two - only problem being if they both decide to investigate the same person. It is difficult, I agree. Perhaps if we put out three choices for investigation, there's then less chance of them picking the same one?

[Khellendros]

HiddenOne, on 13 July 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:

@ Kell - Nice, touche'

@twelve - I welcome the attention pointed at me by Kell and invite a finder to look me over at will

As far as revealing that info when discovered, if odds are in favor of most likely finding town, then we agree on people to be looked at, if the are inno, the next day nothing is said and we move on to the next ones. I read th OP to say that each finder will be independent, so thats 2 a day. If the person is MH, the finder can try to build a legit case and only reveal if it looks like a lynch will fail.

I know this doesn't cover the many variables, but its a start.

If the finder finds MH, then he automatically kills him, so there's no need to build a case. From your confusion I suspect that you, sir, are not one of the finders.

Edit: spelling

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 13 July 2011 - 06:44 PM