[Vengeance]

Path-Shaper, on 20 July 2011 - 01:06 AM, said:

twelve, on 19 July 2011 - 11:19 PM, said:

I get to rag on ansible some more

ansible, on 19 July 2011 - 11:04 PM, said:

Grief, on 19 July 2011 - 11:00 PM, said:

Still, I'd say that we're doing fairly well. There are 2 scum at the moment(rebel MH and original), and we've narrowed both down to 3 people.

This is interesting... I still think there is some disagreement on whether there is one MH or two. I have to say I originally interpreted the OP as there being two, but I could see it only being one as well...

The thing is, if there ARE two, and we've narrowed it down to 3 people right now... When we hit MH, only one jump will occur. Which means, out of those 2 people left, one of them would still be MH, even though the rest of our information has reset...

Ergo, we would need to keep lynching from this pool of 3 players until we hit MH twice (which would be so, so fucking nice...). That would give town considerably better odds to hit one more lynch target before resorting to finds.

If he really thinks that Shin or Khell are the successors and then steers town to lynch those two after they lynch Kurt then town is in deep shit.

Yup. Can't believe this 1/2/3 Meng Huos issue is coming up again. Maybe if they do it enough they'll get an enormous angry rant from Vengy, though, so there's that to look forward to.

I debated giving the rant. Because it was stupid. Insanely stupid. But it was also the same shit that I was yelling at people about on day one. Plus I was really busy in RL and just didn't have the energy to yell at them for continuing to be morons...sigh...

[Vengeance]

Drek just to clarify. If both Grief and Mental are found to night then they both die right. Which would mean that HO would become the new MH and the finders would be fair game, and MH would have 2 jumps left with a bigger pool and no finders.... Not to shabby for scum.

[Khellendros]

Grief appears to have convinced them to do two finds, the sneaky bastard. While it means they'll kill MH twice (if I read the rules correctly?), it also subsequently makes the finders fair game for MH, and only lynching left.

I can't believe they've been so easily convinced to do two finds though. ansible even suggested straight away just doing the one find so that they can narrow down the odds for a successful lynch. With one wrong lynch still allowed to them, I think that would have been eminently sensible at this stage. But I guess town hasn't exactly been sensible thus far

[Path-Shaper]

Vengeance, on 21 July 2011 - 02:12 PM, said:

Drek just to clarify. If both Grief and Mental are found to night then they both die right. Which would mean that HO would become the new MH and the finders would be fair game, and MH would have 2 jumps left with a bigger pool and no finders.... Not to shabby for scum.

No. The finds are simultaneous, so if one kills MH the successor becomes MH immediately after the finds.

The double kill is only if they lynch MH, then his successor becomes MH and is found that same night.

Hammer >> Lynch (someone dies) >> successor appointed >> FKs >> successor appointed >> next Day starts

[Path-Shaper]

Tattersail, on 21 July 2011 - 02:19 PM, said:

Find Grief instead please. I thought he was cleared but he isn't and i'd prefer him to be around and on our side but if he is MH he could be really harmful

In Grief's camp you find Meng Huo engaged in horrible, horrible sex acts with elephants, turtles, tigers, bears, ponies... it was horrible.

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 21 July 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:

ansible, on 21 July 2011 - 02:56 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 21 July 2011 - 02:22 AM, said:

In Vengeance's camp you find... Meng Huo!!! Die die die!!!

Find HiddenOne!

You don't find any sign of Meng Huo in HiddenOne's camp.

ansible, on 21 July 2011 - 04:01 PM, said:

If I can switch my find to GH, please Find Gust Hubb

Too, late, gotta be before the "hammer"

[Path-Shaper]

Grief, on 21 July 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

Trying to decide if it's better for me to try and get someone else lynched, or just not bother trying to deflect the find and leave them still needing 2 lynches.

I worry that if I do deflect the find, it'll be enough to get me lynched.

Grief, on 21 July 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

Looking pretty much like I'm dead then. Ah well, at least it means the innos don't get good odds on the find.

Would've liked to be able to actually get a lynch, but it's looking like I'll be found.

Grief, on 21 July 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

If possible, can I change my provisional to HO, GH, Ment?

Too late, would've had to have been in before the hammer.

Anyways you're dead. SH password is yyz

[Grief]

I agree with Khell that I perhaps wasn't the best choice of successor, because ans had went for me immediately both times. Still, getting killed was probably for the best. Not sure what my chances would've been in a 50/50. Ment had been gunning for me all game, and looked like meta, so I could probably pass that off, but I think if I hadn't been found I had a decent chance of getting lynched on accusations of trying to direct the finds.

The game was pretty fun, though a bit numbers and OP based. I think that MH being a passive scum(he just has to wait and avoid lynches, and there's no urgency for town to lynch) was interesting, but probably slowed the game down and left less info for town. Being reset to day one information as well made it a very low information game, with lots of odds and guessing involved. FKs worked well for the game. At first I thought they'd be really overpowered, but they seem fine.

I'm surprised inno are really still in the game. Usually a team who'd lynched scum so rarely and inno so much would have lost ages back.

[Grief]

Khellendros, on 20 July 2011 - 09:51 PM, said:

Not the first time that Grief has led us all to ruin

By the way, D'rek, thanks for the noble death scene - one-on-one wondrous combat - I likes it!

Say Khell, what's your card again?

Anyhow, if the OP states a person as a member of the scum faction, I am going to assume that the person is actually a member of the scum faction, not a NPC added for flavour.

Yes I was wrong. And however right others may have been, they did very little to back their beliefs up. I still think the OP implies one scum more strongly than two. Stuff like that happens though, and the mod can't really intervene too much without it becoming unfair.

My beliefs were not much of a stretch from the OP. Unlike say multiple symps or killing powers .

[Khellendros]

Grief, on 21 July 2011 - 07:07 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 July 2011 - 09:51 PM, said:

Not the first time that Grief has led us all to ruin

By the way, D'rek, thanks for the noble death scene - one-on-one wondrous combat - I likes it!

Say Khell, what's your card again?

Anyhow, if the OP states a person as a member of the scum faction, I am going to assume that the person is actually a member of the scum faction, not a NPC added for flavour.

Yes I was wrong. And however right others may have been, they did very little to back their beliefs up. I still think the OP implies one scum more strongly than two. Stuff like that happens though, and the mod can't really intervene too much without it becoming unfair.

My beliefs were not much of a stretch from the OP. Unlike say multiple symps or killing powers .

Touche, sir, touche.

[Path-Shaper]

Tattersail, on 21 July 2011 - 08:42 PM, said:

Find Gust Hubb

♥

Noted

[Path-Shaper]

Mentalist, on 22 July 2011 - 02:22 AM, said:

great.

question: can I make 2 successor lists, based on whether i'm found or lynched?
answer before 7AM EST, or i'll be gone the whole day, plz!

No, you can't (because night is instantaneous there's no active time when you could somehow theoretically submit an action between the hammer vote of a lynch and when night resolves). However....

Mentalist, on 22 July 2011 - 11:39 AM, said:

if im lynched: Gust, HO, Ainsible
if im killed: Tattersail, Ainsible, Gust.

...what it looks like you want here is that if you can take over a finder, you want to, but if you can't (b/c you're lynched and they aren't RI yet) then you want Gust Hubb.

So a single list of: Tattersail, Ansible, Gust, HO will accomplish that same thing. If you are lynched Tattersail and Ansible can't be designated successor so it will go to your 3rd choice, Gust.

[D'rek]

Well, we're pretty much at the end game. It is D-Day for town every day now. Here's the remaining possible paths of the game (yellow is where we are now):

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[Khellendros]

Impressive! But why does MH win if they lynch an inno now? Wouldn't that leave them with 3 innos remaining? That's enough for town to keep holding out hope isn't it?

[Khellendros]

4 town 1 MH, lynch inno, 3 town 1 MH, lynch MH, 2 town 1 MH, FK MH, 1 town 1 MH....ah I see! Whatever happens from then on they'll wind up with a one-on-one situation. Interesting, so they have to get everything right from now on.

[Khellendros]

But what happens if the finders were to lynch the last remaining MH before using up their final kill? MH wouldn't be able to jump into them....so would they win? Hmm, but they haven't killed MH six times, which is the objective, so I guess not.

[Grief]

Nope. At that stage, if there are 2 deaths it leaves 1v1, a situation in which MH wins, since they've only killed him twice out of the required three. The only way out would be to have a FK in the 1v1. However, to have a FK left the last two would have to be the FKs(can't have only one, because lynch them is lynched a CI, which makes them lose), which would give MH no one to go into for them to actually kill him.

[Khellendros]

God, town are really putting us through the wringer. Unfortunately, they're still under the impression they can get a lynch wrong, HO was even voting for himself at one point! And even though they were all saying they suspect Ment, none of them were voting for him! Now, finally, they're voting for Ment. And why? Because he hasn't shown up in 24 hours! They're lynching him because he's not around!

I'd love it if town managed to totally stumble through this - we haven't had a clue the entire time

[Path-Shaper]

ansible hammers >> Ment gets lynched >> Gust Hubb becomes MH #5 >> Tattersail finds+kills Gust Hubb!!! >> MH #6 appointed >> Day 13

Damn, this is going to be an intense finale!

[Khellendros]

Did Tat do a find on GH? Coz, erm, Gust appears to still be alive