[Karosis]

whats up with all these guests?


surely cant have so many people viewing right?

[Silanah]

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 08:02 PM, said:

Tennes, on 13 October 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

Well, one thing I think is pretty clear. Based on his lack of knowledge about movement. HP isn't a Barbarian. That didn't seem faked to me.

What makes a barbarian so special that he couldn't get confused?

He could have done it on purpose, anyway. The moving rules seem pretty damn obvious

[Emurlahn]

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 08:03 PM, said:

whats up with all these guests?


surely cant have so many people viewing right?

wave to them, we're famous.
or something

[Karosis]

Silanah, on 13 October 2011 - 08:06 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 08:02 PM, said:

Tennes, on 13 October 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

Well, one thing I think is pretty clear. Based on his lack of knowledge about movement. HP isn't a Barbarian. That didn't seem faked to me.

What makes a barbarian so special that he couldn't get confused?

He could have done it on purpose, anyway. The moving rules seem pretty damn obvious

that too

[Karosis]

41 guests...i mean they not even members...has to be glitch.

[Karosis]

Still 20 or so hours left... loads of time.

i am probably gonna go to bed soon though.

[Silanah]

Yeah, thread is boring right now. SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING CRAZY.

Or someone else get on and give some opinions.

[Emurlahn]

I heard mayor quimby used the cement for those pothole to build himself a new swimming pool

[Hood's Path]

Silanah, on 13 October 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

Yeah, thread is boring right now. SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING CRAZY.

Or someone else get on and give some opinions.

I think I've said enough "CRAZY" things for one day.

[Okaros]

Alright I'm procrastinating at the library once more, time for mafia. Now there seems to be heat between HP and Karosis. I'm not sure who has the best point. An assassin would logically be able to kill, not so sure about find. The question remains as to whether or not Omtose was lying. This has been discussed, but I'm not entirely sure what to think at this time. We have quite a bit of time left, so I'll go over the thread in a bit and look at the exchange once more.

Silanah, on 13 October 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:

I see other people covered my above post.

Vote Galain

Come out, come out wherever you are

This has been bothering me since yesterday. Where has Galain slinkered off to? As it is, I'd like to

Vote Galain


for the time being, to add some pressure. I would really like to gather this fellows posts as I did Tennes, but that will have to wait a bit.

Now I'll try and get some work done, but it is likely I'll just be back to mafia in an hour or so

[Silanah]

Pages 1-10

Galain, on 29 September 2011 - 03:14 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 September 2011 - 11:01 PM, said:

Out for a bit, but I'll check in again before going to bed. Glad to see I'm not getting too flooded with questions yet - means either you're all horribly confused or I did a good job explaining.

-D'rek

I'm still chewing all the rules over.

I need a flow chart ... oh, wait, there are a bunch. Do we even have a TMDI for this?

Galain, on 30 September 2011 - 02:31 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 30 September 2011 - 12:47 AM, said:

Gam is voting for Serc because he says Serc is not looking hard enough at other players.

Serc also really over-reacted to being associated oh-so-briefly with Gamelon.

I just can't decide if Gamelon is being set up or not - it seems counterproductive for a team-mate to signal, since we'll just go after the signaller after that, and anyone who's not on Gamelon's team will likely be happy to go along.

Galain, on 30 September 2011 - 05:04 AM, said:

Serc, on 30 September 2011 - 04:11 AM, said:

Actually...

Remove vote

I realize my vote opens Game to the hammer, so I can wait around until day's end to see if he'll show up.

... what the hell's the point of that if there's only an hour left? Talk about odd.

Vote Gamelon

Because a Day One lynch is simply a good idea in such a large game, and this one seems to have a certain self-fulfilling inevitability. Which is suspicious in and of itself.

Galain, on 30 September 2011 - 06:34 AM, said:

Well, unless I heroically resist the effects of this whiskey (with an "e," dammit), I'm going to have to wait until fuck-'o-early-clock in the morning to find out what happened.

Galain, on 30 September 2011 - 06:58 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 30 September 2011 - 06:54 AM, said:

Yes, he was just whining about how he was going to be lynched and he said something stupid about distancing or not distancing or something. It wasn't anything he hadn't said before. No crazy reveal or anything.

Yeah ... sure.

So you say.

Galain, on 30 September 2011 - 07:04 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 30 September 2011 - 07:03 AM, said:

Galain, on 30 September 2011 - 06:58 AM, said:

Yeah ... sure.

So you say.

I do in fact say so. There was 6-7 other people on at the same time, I'm sure one of them would call me out if I was lying, if just to get an easy lynch. We could also have PS restore the post if we need to since some of us saw it and some didn't.

You're all just in on the conspiracy.

Including P-S. I only trust the ravens.

Galain, on 03 October 2011 - 06:31 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 03 October 2011 - 04:46 AM, said:

pedantic bear sez: geishas are still Japanese.

also, I kinda see where Tiam is coming from, what with the whole "cult can't recruit, is a one-man faction, so let's look for outsiders to lynch early on" thing (at least that what I got as the general gist of it--not too sure I agree with the Emperor hunt, b/c that tends to deliniate the teams early on)

Er, the Usurper can recruit until the Emperor he's located with is dead, at least after some kind of condition to begin recruiting is met.

Tiamatha makes sense on this point - it's a good idea to kill either that Emperor (which his faction understandably won't want to go along with), or the Usurper (which everyone should want). On the flip side, it's not exactly easy to identify a role, so hunting a specific person in Mafia is damned near impossible with such a crowd. I am kind of leaning towards the notion that the person who talks most about a specific role is either a counter to that role ... or is that person theirself.

Galain, on 03 October 2011 - 07:30 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 06:47 AM, said:

Classic stuff!!!

Now I' guilty of posting a lot but not contributing much, eh?
What's next? Flying pigs, and dwarves that don't smell?

The two are not mutually exclusive, if your posts are just wordy but boil down to a single simple point than can expressed in a handful of words.

Galain, on 03 October 2011 - 06:31 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 03 October 2011 - 04:46 AM, said:

pedantic bear sez: geishas are still Japanese.

also, I kinda see where Tiam is coming from, what with the whole "cult can't recruit, is a one-man faction, so let's look for outsiders to lynch early on" thing (at least that what I got as the general gist of it--not too sure I agree with the Emperor hunt, b/c that tends to deliniate the teams early on)

Er, the Usurper can recruit until the Emperor he's located with is dead, at least after some kind of condition to begin recruiting is met.

Tiamatha makes sense on this point - it's a good idea to kill either that Emperor (which his faction understandably won't want to go along with), or the Usurper (which everyone should want). On the flip side, it's not exactly easy to identify a role, so hunting a specific person in Mafia is damned near impossible with such a crowd. I am kind of leaning towards the notion that the person who talks most about a specific role is either a counter to that role ... or is that person theirself.

Galain, on 03 October 2011 - 07:30 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 06:47 AM, said:

Classic stuff!!!

Now I' guilty of posting a lot but not contributing much, eh?
What's next? Flying pigs, and dwarves that don't smell?

The two are not mutually exclusive, if your posts are just wordy but boil down to a single simple point than can expressed in a handful of words.

[Silanah]

FUCKITY FUCK FUCK.

I fucked up 11-20, so I have to redo it. But i'm going to dinner, someone feel free to do it while I'm gone.

[Silanah]

Or not. Starting back up.

[Silanah]

Pages 11-18

Galain, on 04 October 2011 - 03:15 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 04 October 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:

So you claim to have gotten both the faction and name, as you should. You claim to have held back the name, which I don't like, but understandable. Then you turn around, and after 'guessing'
that this person you did the find on is the Usurper, you 'reveal' a name that is not the name given to us by PS as the Usurper. That does not add up. It sounds to me as if you made a guess, pushed it out there, and are now trying to support it.

I find it rather odd the way this 'reveal' has played out, and so for the time being I must
Remove Vote

... oh, nice catch.

Remove Vote

Do I need to hammer, or does Osseric have it?

EDIT: I mean Omtose, not Osseric.

Galain, on 04 October 2011 - 03:22 AM, said:

Serc, on 04 October 2011 - 03:19 AM, said:

Honestly I don't know what the Usurper would look like in a find this early in the game. I find Tiam's obsession with the role odd and that's why I suspect that of him. However, you'll see that I was telling the truth soon enough.

Well, yes, but you'd at least likely get the person's name right.

Galain, on 04 October 2011 - 03:16 PM, said:

Well ... at least now we know there wasn't a connection between Serc and Gamelon.

Not sure entirely how useful that is, but at least it puts the comma business to rest.

Galain, on 05 October 2011 - 07:13 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 05 October 2011 - 06:38 AM, said:

Aaaaand noone's around...
Figures.

Pretty soon I'm gonna start talking with myself...

25 player game, what the fuck, I got my own timezone or something?

I feel your pain.

I'm reluctant to speculate about the Usurper, because I'm apparently not as good as other people seem to be at reading P-S story clues. Or maybe I'm just too used to ignoring scenes, and people in this game are reading a lot into their symbolism. That might be the right choice, but I'll leave it to others to interpret the clues, if they exist.

Serc's possible reveal is, to my mind, still an open question. It simply wasn't answered by their death ... nor was your status. Some people are too willing to move on past the reveal, and discount it now that Gamelon and Serc have been dis-associated.

Galain, on 05 October 2011 - 05:40 PM, said:

Silanah, on 05 October 2011 - 05:28 PM, said:

Even when Tiam makes valid points, she's so aggresive and annoying.

I really do wonder how that's supposed to keep us from voting for her ... because it'll just make it more likely.

Galain, on 05 October 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

Silanah, on 05 October 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

Other than that, this is a good post. It's frustrating to me that we haven't had any kind of encounter with the warlords? They don't make up nearly as small of a faction as the usurper.

Define "encounter."

Galain, on 05 October 2011 - 07:24 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2011 - 07:11 PM, said:

she probably means a lynch. or seeing hem kill someone.

Well, we've only had two lynches - the odds of hitting someone in the Warlord factions are pretty damned low.

And I'm not surprised at the lack of NKs, the mechanics seem weighted towards minimal successful night actions.

[Silanah]

Pages 19 and 20

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 03:29 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 02:03 AM, said:

and trust me, if you re-read page 17, the lot of you sound like zombies the second my name is mentioned.
i'm not denying there were cases behind each train (convenient that they were all articulated by sorritt), but i'm genuinely disturbed by the fact that no one looked anywhere else.

There really hasn't been a lot else to look at - Serc managed to dominate things rather heavily with his reveal, and he and Tiamatha have been our focus.

If we came back around to you, it's because Serc's gone and Tiamatha's a walking dead man. So ... back to our original concern about how you were possibly signalling, and how that suspicion got derailed.

Quote

ffs, no one even mentioned voting low posters to get them to contribute.

I just kind of zone out every time I see wall-of-text type posts, and lose motivation to do it myself. I honestly just can't do that, and I certainly don't have hours to sit around and compile such lengthy cases with such tenuous conclusions. Besides, so far in this game, I've only done a single read-through. Given the weather, I might just sit down tomorrow and work my way through everything, especially since we'll have more than two data points by then.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 03:29 AM, said:

i'll be around untill the end of the day.

anyone has more thoughs on my case?

Also, a Meanas vote coming from you has shades of a very elaborate OMGUS, given that he's the one who pointed out a possible code from you.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 03:41 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 03:39 AM, said:

be honest, and call a spade a spade--no one WANTED to look anywhere else, because Osseric, Meanas and Sorrit were feeding you plausible lynch targets. so why bother?

Serc fed us himself as a plausible lynch target, and Tiamatha's the logical follow-up.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 03:42 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 03:40 AM, said:

the fact that you still cling on to that typo is telling in itself.

I never said I thought it was a code.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 03:46 AM, said:

Well ... does anyone object if I hammer while P-S might still be around?

With only a little more than three hours left, and so many votes needed, the possibility of getting a different lynch is practically nil.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 03:56 AM, said:

Vote Tiamatha

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 03:57 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 03:51 AM, said:

I like how you change the topic with that question, too,

It's more a matter of realizing I hadn't followed the lynch-Serc very closely. I really need to do a re-read, so I can get all this straight. I do know that Tiamatha and Serc both are both necessary lynches, once we had a possible fake-reveal in a faction game.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 04:29 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:28 AM, said:

that was... interesting,

Pretty straight-forward, though. Serc was really a finder.

No idea about the guy on a silver horse. Given that it was a lynch, it's unlikely to be a useful clue.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 04:34 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:33 AM, said:

you don't find it strange that we needed an extra vote to hammer her?

I couldn't tell if that was because it was necessary, or because P-S wasn't immediately available.

But if there is "Negate Vote" action out there, we've got no idea who it was applied to.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 05:03 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 06 October 2011 - 04:53 AM, said:

Yeah I see that now.

On the idea that Sima Yi's vote doesn't count, I can't see how that would work balance wise. Checking the trains, as Kesso did, is way too easy a way to be able to pick out cult IMO. I could see recruits not counting, or counting half, but that leads us nowhere at his point.

This is part of the reason why I figure it's an action - it'd be possible to triangulate whose vote didn't count, at least after enough lynches.

On the flip side, it's a pretty large game, so it's not necessarily easy to do that triangulation, with so many people voting. So it's not a particularly deducible disadvantage for a player if their vote doesn't count, they can hide in the crowd.

[Hood's Path]

I'm off for most of the rest of the day. I can get on briefly 5 hours before the day times out and then I'll be away for good as day comes to a close. My schedule tomorrow won't allow for much mafia so after this day is over I'm basically out for the weekend.

[Silanah]

21-24

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 05:50 AM, said:

Okaros, on 06 October 2011 - 05:02 AM, said:

Galain did a poor job handling this situation. Once called upon defending the typo, he then denies that he thought it was a code, after claiming that it was a code... (for some people??).

I never claimed it was a code.

If you have to make shit up, you've got something to hide.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 10:21 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 07:10 PM, said:

It was a genuine mistake, which I didn't explain well enough in the edit. I had a brain melt and for some reason was of the belief that officials in the factions knew the PM, not the emperor (that is, I'd got it into my head that I'd been told my PM by Path-Shaper, rather than my emperor). I realised my error as soon as I posted it.

I know a great deal might be made of this, but this is along the same lines (ironically) as Emurlahn's comma-gate.

You know ... I'm don't think I buy that. Especially since the OP repeatedly says that everyone knows who their Emperor is.

Quote

Prime Minister
Each middle kingdom also has a Prime Minister. Prime Ministers can use the standard heal, guard and find night actions, as well as special abilities that can assist other players in their dynasty and provide their Emperor with extra information.

Civil Official
Civil Officials can use the standard guard and find night actions. They know the alt and Location of their Emperor. During the day, if they are in the same Location as their Emperor, they can change into Military Officers.

Military Officer
Military Officers can use the standard heal and kill night actions. They know the alt and Location of their Emperor. During the day, if they are in the same Location as their Emperor, they can change into Civil Officials.

You'd really have to go out of your way to overlook that if you're in one of the Kingdoms ... or you just didn't know to start with, and suddenly realized you'd given away your ignorance. It took you six minutes to edit that post after all.


Vote Meanas

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 10:40 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:34 PM, said:

In fact, the more I look at your post Galain, the more I'm convinced that if it wasn't written in the OP you wouldn't know about it. I would expect a post like "what? You seriously couldn't remember the info you were given in your role description from PS", rather than, "what? You can't read the OP?".

That is suspicious to me.

... Seriously? Because that's an incredibly obvious attempt to turn an argument back on a person without foundation.

There is no credible way that anyone could not realize, after five days of play, what information they'd been given. Your fumbled post has the look of someone who realized he'd screwed up, and fixed it in not timely enough a fashion.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 10:50 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:

And I'm not allowed to turn an argument back on you because....?

Because it makes no sense.

My argument against you makes specific sense given specific posts you've made that demonstrate your ignorance. You're argument against me is basically "No u!"

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 11:08 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

Erm, whut? My argument against you is equally made against a specific post of yours dude.

It's still basically "No u!"

I haven't demonstrated ignorance of Kingdom-faction knowledge, you have, in the damned game.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 11:24 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 11:13 PM, said:

You, on the other hand, have demonstrated where you get your information from - the OP -

Actually, no, I haven't, but I'm obviously not about to quote my PM to prove it. Just that it told me my Emperor's character name and alt.

[Emurlahn]

thursday nigfht,m 3 h night class.. as usual. i'll comment on the Galain case once I get back.

[Silanah]

pg 25

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 11:49 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 11:36 PM, said:

That's interesting, because mine also told me the location of my emperor. Yours didn't? Yeah, fake PMs tend to leave stuff out don't they.

My Role PM did not include the location of my Emperor.

Anyone actually part of a Kingdom will know why. Thanks for giving away that you aren't.

Galain, on 07 October 2011 - 01:13 AM, said:

Meanas, on 07 October 2011 - 12:14 AM, said:

Galain, on 03 October 2011 - 06:31 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 03 October 2011 - 04:46 AM, said:

pedantic bear sez: geishas are still Japanese.

also, I kinda see where Tiam is coming from, what with the whole "cult can't recruit, is a one-man faction, so let's look for outsiders to lynch early on" thing (at least that what I got as the general gist of it--not too sure I agree with the Emperor hunt, b/c that tends to deliniate the teams early on)

Er, the Usurper can recruit until the Emperor he's located with is dead, at least after some kind of condition to begin recruiting is met.

Tiamatha makes sense on this point - it's a good idea to kill either that Emperor (which his faction understandably won't want to go along with), or the Usurper (which everyone should want). On the flip side, it's not exactly easy to identify a role, so hunting a specific person in Mafia is damned near impossible with such a crowd. I am kind of leaning towards the notion that the person who talks most about a specific role is either a counter to that role ... or is that person theirself.

Galain likes the idea of going after the Emperor and Usurper. He plays the mediating figure by pointing out the bleeding obvious that it will be difficult initially to do so. But hey, it's a great idea anyway. And why not, doesn't harm Galain in any way.

Unless it's my Emperor.

And, uh, I'm failing to see why what I said should be held against me.

Quote

Galain, on 05 October 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

Define "encounter."

Now, it's pretty obvious that Silanah had meant a kill, lynch, or some scene info. But Galain wants to make sure - what exactly is Silanah's interest in the warlords. Galain needs to know what Sil might suspect.

Actually, I was being somewhat facile. It's obvious we've encountered the Barbarians ... in thread. After all, everyone's posted at least once.

Quote

Out of everyone, including Osseric, Galain is by far the most dismissive of Emur's case. Galain is perfectly content to go through the small group identified and lynch each one in turn, seemingly more so than any of the people accused by Emur. And why not, none of them are in his faction after all.

I wasn't entirely dismissive of his case - I was just pointing out that there really hadn't been anything else to go on. I've got only one other possible lead, and was going to pursue it until you shot your foot off.

Quote

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 03:41 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 03:39 AM, said:

be honest, and call a spade a spade--no one WANTED to look anywhere else, because Osseric, Meanas and Sorrit were feeding you plausible lynch targets. so why bother?

Serc fed us himself as a plausible lynch target, and Tiamatha's the logical follow-up.

No denial of having no need to look elsewhere.

Bullshit.

I never said there was no need to look elsewhere - I said there was a priority in front of us, and it was logical to deal with it.

Quote

And Emur notices that with some pressure, Galain tries to steer away. Throughout his play, Galain has done nothing to rock the boat, only picking up on other people's cases and running with them. They haven't muddied the waters themselves in any way - in fact, Galain's been VERY careful not to, only posting just enough to be on the very periphery of our vision.

I'm a low key player.

As opposed to seeing signals that aren't there, revealing that you're obviously not a part of a Kingdom, and then dealing out a desperate OMGUS vote against me.

Quote

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 11:49 PM, said:

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 11:36 PM, said:

That's interesting, because mine also told me the location of my emperor. Yours didn't? Yeah, fake PMs tend to leave stuff out don't they.

My Role PM did not include the location of my Emperor.

Anyone actually part of a Kingdom will know why. Thanks for giving away that you aren't.

Yeah, nice try.

Vote Galain

Because I believe that he is a warlord.

And ... you deflect again the fact that you don't have information that any other Kingdom faction member would have. Then you toss down the OMGUS based on a flimsy case.

[Silanah]

pg 25 continued

Galain, on 07 October 2011 - 01:32 AM, said:

Meanas, on 07 October 2011 - 01:16 AM, said:

One last post, then, before I go.

Galain says: I'm a low key player.

I say: Then you're either lazy, hopping on others' work, or you've got something to hide.

Or ... this is the way I play every single game.

And WTF kind of attack is, "you've got something to hide?" Of course I have something to hide. We're playing fucking MAFIA. If you don't have something to hide, you ... uh, well, you aren't playing MAFIA, and should stop posting, because you're in the wrong forum.

Galain, on 07 October 2011 - 03:58 AM, said:

Ruse, on 07 October 2011 - 03:16 AM, said:

We've really got two dogs believing they've tree'd something juicy. Galain and Sil really went after their targets hard, although I see a more merit-steady approach to Sil's case than Galain's attacking.

At this point I feel more inclined towards voting Osseric, since I'm not sure Meanas' brain fart is quite the slip-up Galain thinks it is.

Hey, you guys wanted alternatives to follow-the-leader (not that we're not seeing plenty of that, with Silanah practically dry-humping Osseric).

There's an alternative.

Galain, on 07 October 2011 - 04:05 AM, said:

Fuck, I meant Emurlahn, not Osseric.

Galain, on 07 October 2011 - 04:13 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 October 2011 - 04:08 AM, said:

well, she's also pretty heavy on Osseric, so you are not entirely wrong there...

That, and I've had either too much to drink, or not enough.

Galain, on 07 October 2011 - 07:01 AM, said:

Done for the night here, too.

Other people can do shit now.