[Osseric]

Well, back, but nothing much to add.

I do believe that Meanas is a good lynch target, like I said, his slip very strongly suggests that he is in the Barbarian factions, or at least that he 's not familiar with the chain of knowledge in in the Empire clans in this game. I find this stronger than any anonymous messages that I received on day 2, specially considering it seems there was similar one (with my name on it) on day 3. I'm just pissed I acted on it and confronted Emurlahn.

Emurlahn, on 07 October 2011 - 04:55 PM, said:

i'm guessing it will be today, after the lynch. the day's supposed to end in like 7 hours, if i'm not mistaken.



i'll have to leave soon. Ill check in around 2 hours prior to timeout to grab my laptop, but then i'll be incommunicado for the rest of the RL day.

Imho, htere are plenty of good reasons to vote Osseric. he's been trying quite desperately to stay alive, while sounding nonchalant about it.
that message about the notice came out of left field. I don't think ohters would have brought it up if he didn't try to use it against me first.

OK, no offense, but that's one of the stupidest sentence I read in a while, no matter what the context you want to put around. What the hell did I do to deserve this thickness of bullshit? The original case from Emurlahn I admit I dismissed as a bit of OMGUS, the one from Silanah I tried to address, but once I understood it all probably started from the notice you guys received I understood and realized there is little to address per se. At least say it that it is the reason of your vote, like Sorrit did.

[Hood's Path]

Mockra, on 07 October 2011 - 05:08 PM, said:

Hood, on 07 October 2011 - 04:48 PM, said:

Okay done catching up. Looks like it's currently 8 votes Osseric and 6 for Meanas. For a while the stronger case against Meanas was winning out but with the Notice reveals that people have posted it seems the tided has shifted towards Osseric. Silanah has been mentioned numerous times. I need to to back and reread her posts as I've not seem the connections that people have been making in regards to her. But for now back to the agenda at hand.

Notices that people receive have to be taken with a grain of salt. The number one reason that I think someone would post a Notice is to help build cases against someone the poster wants out. There are many locations on the map which members of different factions reside side by side. Basically every location except the three capitals and Eight Fan. That is on the assumption that there are no roles that can travel to someones location where there isn't already a member of your faction in that square. Since the Lu emperor is mentioned in each of the Notices no matter who the alt associated with it I believe that the Notice was posted in Yong An. Especially since the number of players saying they received the notice seems fairly high and with the assumption that the Yan are the largest fation. There are two possible senarios I see as the reason for the notice.

First a member of the Yan faction did a find on Osseric and he is in fact Zhang Xiu.

Second a member of the Lu faction did a find on Osseric and he came back as a member of the Yan faction. But since he is a finder he new who is emperor's name is and thought that he could sway members of Yan to vote for their own member.

Either way I'm convinced the Osseric is one of either Lu or Yan.

The question is which is it?

I'm going to hold off voting for now. We have a few hours before day times out and it's time to get some work done. Not sure when the weekend freeze will come into effect.

You think a case made off of one post is much stronger than a case made off of all-round play, many posts, and several (albeit unverified) notices? Not that I'm trying to shit-stir, but...trying to derail the Osseric lynch much? As it is, I haven't voted yet but I think I'll most likely throw my weight behind the Osseric lynch today, and then we can begin the Meanas-Galain entertainment all over again. I should (hopefully) be back before deadline.

It was a very telling one post.

I'm not trying to derail anything as I am most likely going to vote for Osseric. I just want to point out that we now have more information that leads me to believe that he could be in one of two factions. I just want to make sure I fully understand which faction he is likely to be in before I place my vote.

[Emurlahn]

I got plenty of reasons for voting you. you strawmanning me is the first one, and that suffices in itself

the desperation may be a bit of an exxageration, but you did try to make me sound like an emperor out of the blue all of a sudden--a move which backfired

[Osseric]

Emurlahn, on 07 October 2011 - 05:16 PM, said:

I got plenty of reasons for voting you. you strawmanning me is the first one, and that suffices in itself

the desperation may be a bit of an exxageration, but you did try to make me sound like an emperor out of the blue all of a sudden--a move which backfired

When did I argue that the message I received was true? I never did, even before it was said on thread that others received a similar about me. Go back and see.

So me attacking you in a faction game is sufficient for you to be convinced about my faction, if that is what you are arguing, then you are indeed arguing that you are an Emperor.

I won't even use this against you, I know you're just self-obsessed. You have been all game. Today I hope a bigger threat will be lynched, i.e. Meanas.

[Emurlahn]

you didn't argue it was true. but what's the point of bringing it up if not to sow confusion?


sigh. my point is, quite frankly, you are full of shit. it's blatant, and yet people still follow you. I don't think there can be a clearer indicatoin that you are more than what you say you are.



anyhow, I have to step out for the next 4 hours. i'll check back before leaving for the airport.

[Osseric]

I'm honestly wondering why you're pushing the lynch on bad-Osseric-you-made-me-boo-boo instead of looking at the Meanas-Galain (and I would add -Okaros) interaction that most probably netted us some Barbarians, which are a threat to all.

You never consider the whole thing, except to assault those who did.

[Sheltatha Lore]

From what I can see, Osseric is a good candiate for lynch. He does give me the impression of being a leader or at least taking all the heat for his Emperor. Unfortunately, I can;t tell which faction so I will wait until I can read some more and figure it out.


Meanas looks more attractive because from his post it seems he must be either a warlord or one of the unknowns. I would like to get an idea of what is going on in the background with these unknowns, so either way this looks to be my best choice.

Vote Meanas



I will return hopefully before day end to see if there are any new developments.

[Sorrit]

Thyrllan, on 07 October 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

Have skimmed though horrifically fast and have to run away again

I'm going to

Vote Meanas

On the basis that he may be an invader of some sort, and they're sitting pretty at the moment. Will try and be back in a couple of hours to see if what's happening and do some more thorough reading. Hopefully I can catch up properly on the weekend.

Sheltatha Lore, on 07 October 2011 - 05:48 PM, said:

From what I can see, Osseric is a good candiate for lynch. He does give me the impression of being a leader or at least taking all the heat for his Emperor. Unfortunately, I can;t tell which faction so I will wait until I can read some more and figure it out.


Meanas looks more attractive because from his post it seems he must be either a warlord or one of the unknowns. I would like to get an idea of what is going on in the background with these unknowns, so either way this looks to be my best choice.

Vote Meanas



I will return hopefully before day end to see if there are any new developments.

Just a quick one here, after everything that has been said you both vote for Meanas on the premis that he will turn out to be what? A Warlord?

Just musing on this for a second, you want to lynch a warlord over an emperor? You think a warlord is a bigger threat than an opposing Emperor? I think, or I would think that the Emperors have better abilities than the warlords, would you not agree? So you're wanting to vote out a suspected Warlord over a suspected Emperor? Is that correct? Is there a particular reason for doing this today? We can test the theory on warlords and get more discussion on this another day, yet I don't see the discussion on Osseric changing much. I have to go for a while but I just have another thought too, the Usurper poses a threat and lynching Osseric is a better option as the Usurper has a chance of being in his faction as well as others.

[Path-Shaper]

It is 228 AD. 6 hours and 13 minutes remaining
21 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan

11 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night.

8 Votes for Osseric ( Emurlahn, Okaros, Silanah, Sorritt, Barghast, Meanas, Telas, Kaschan )
6 Votes for Meanas ( Osseric, Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan, Sheltatha Lore )

Players not voted: Hood's Path, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Ruse

---

6 hours left... we could go to end of day before freeze or I could freeze a bit before time-out to give those who are already away for the weekend a chance to vote over the weekend if they check the thread... thoughts?

[Hood's Path]

I'm not going to get much more time to work on thread so I am going to go ahead and vote. Sorrit makes a good point, a supposed emperor makes a better choice than a warlord.

vote Osseric

[Telas]

Korlat, on 07 October 2011 - 05:08 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 October 2011 - 04:55 PM, said:

i'm guessing it will be today, after the lynch. the day's supposed to end in like 7 hours, if i'm not mistaken.



i'll have to leave soon. Ill check in around 2 hours prior to timeout to grab my laptop, but then i'll be incommunicado for the rest of the RL day.

Imho, htere are plenty of good reasons to vote Osseric. he's been trying quite desperately to stay alive, while sounding nonchalant about it.
that message about the notice came out of left field. I don't think ohters would have brought it up if he didn't try to use it against me first.

I'd almost forgotten that was how the whole notice thing started what with everything since, no one has come out to back it up have they? This of course means little, it could be that Osseric has been set up but then again that is a large chance to take and three people have confirmed getting the same message about him at some point.

Not to mention that Osseric claims to have received a different message altogether. Which either means he's lying, or someone's been using messages like this to pin down players locations. That would of course imply off thread communication.

Path-Shaper, on 07 October 2011 - 06:36 PM, said:

It is 228 AD. 6 hours and 13 minutes remaining
21 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan

11 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night.

8 Votes for Osseric ( Emurlahn, Okaros, Silanah, Sorritt, Barghast, Meanas, Telas, Kaschan )
6 Votes for Meanas ( Osseric, Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan, Sheltatha Lore )

Players not voted: Hood's Path, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Ruse

---

6 hours left... we could go to end of day before freeze or I could freeze a bit before time-out to give those who are already away for the weekend a chance to vote over the weekend if they check the thread... thoughts?

Please finish the day at least. Please.

[Silanah]

We saw last week that no one posted during the weekend, even though it was day. So it really doesn't matter if it's night all weekend.

[Thyrllan]

Oh, so now anyone who's not voting Osseric is blatantly symping?
Thanks for the clarification on numbers anyway, Emur.

1) I'm still not entirely convinced that that Osseric is an Emperor. There seems to be a lot of 'well if he's an Emperor he can't be my Emperor' which is a shade too convenient for me, given all the talk we've had about being 'led'. Which also doesn't cut it for me. You choose to follow. Can't be bothered making your own case and sticking your neck out? Someone's been persuasive in a game of persuasion? Oh look, someone's pointed this out. Let's lynch that damn guy who've been following up til now. Else I'm a symp. Right. Yeah. Looking at you in particular Silanah.

2) Even if this is so (and I admit the case has its merits. Ish) why are we so sure that Warlords are more powerful than Emperors anyway? Given they've been pushed onto the edges of the map to start off with, and the connection between abilities and tiles suggest to me that they've got something going for them at least. In any case, they're both leaders of factions, so even if they aren't more powerful, they're going to be about equal. Colour me curious.

3) This is the second time a decent case has been made against Meanas, the first being Emur's one on day 3, if I remember correctly. Everyone was quite keen to get rid of Tiam at that stage, so there wasn't much attention paid to it, I believe.

Back to work for me. I'll pop on in a couple of hours if I'm able to.

[Path-Shaper]

It is 228 AD. 4 hours and 24 minutes remaining
21 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan

11 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night.

9 Votes for Osseric ( Emurlahn, Silanah, Sorritt, Barghast, Meanas, Telas, Kaschan, Okaros, Hood's Path)
6 Votes for Meanas ( Osseric, Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan, Sheltatha Lore )

Players not voted: Karosis, Kessobahn, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Ruse

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 07 October 2011 - 09:30 PM

[Sheltatha Lore]

Sorrit, on 07 October 2011 - 06:35 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 07 October 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

Have skimmed though horrifically fast and have to run away again

I'm going to

Vote Meanas

On the basis that he may be an invader of some sort, and they're sitting pretty at the moment. Will try and be back in a couple of hours to see if what's happening and do some more thorough reading. Hopefully I can catch up properly on the weekend.

Sheltatha Lore, on 07 October 2011 - 05:48 PM, said:

From what I can see, Osseric is a good candiate for lynch. He does give me the impression of being a leader or at least taking all the heat for his Emperor. Unfortunately, I can;t tell which faction so I will wait until I can read some more and figure it out.


Meanas looks more attractive because from his post it seems he must be either a warlord or one of the unknowns. I would like to get an idea of what is going on in the background with these unknowns, so either way this looks to be my best choice.

Vote Meanas



I will return hopefully before day end to see if there are any new developments.

Just a quick one here, after everything that has been said you both vote for Meanas on the premis that he will turn out to be what? A Warlord?

Just musing on this for a second, you want to lynch a warlord over an emperor? You think a warlord is a bigger threat than an opposing Emperor? I think, or I would think that the Emperors have better abilities than the warlords, would you not agree? So you're wanting to vote out a suspected Warlord over a suspected Emperor? Is that correct? Is there a particular reason for doing this today? We can test the theory on warlords and get more discussion on this another day, yet I don't see the discussion on Osseric changing much. I have to go for a while but I just have another thought too, the Usurper poses a threat and lynching Osseric is a better option as the Usurper has a chance of being in his faction as well as others.

I want to lynch whoever is my enemy. I never said warlords were bigger threats, nor did I say Meanas is one (for sure) Actually, I'm more curious about unknown factors in the game, and would like to see a CF that would give me an idea what we are facing. So are you offering me a deal to vote Meanas tomorrow with me if I help you vote for Osseric today? (underlined) It's not so much the discussion changing as my comprehension of the posts, interpretation of events, etc.


I'm just not sure here whether you are determined to get Osseric lynched or to save Meanas.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Ok, I've decided which faction Osseric is part of and am 87.31% sure its not mine. From his leading things, to fake info hustling and beyond, I will:

Remove Vote


Vote Osseric


So why is the train info screwed up again, Out of order .

[Path-Shaper]

It is 228 AD. 3 hours and 22 minutes remaining
21 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan

11 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night.

10 Votes for Osseric ( Emurlahn, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Barghast, Meanas, Telas, Kaschan, Okaros, Hood's Path)
5 Votes for Meanas ( Osseric, Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan )

Players not voted: Karosis, Kessobahn, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Ruse

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 07 October 2011 - 09:30 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Sheltatha Lore, on 07 October 2011 - 09:09 PM, said:

So why is the train info screwed up again, Out of order .

Damnit! I hate that glitch.

(and no, the order is not indicative of anything)

edit: fixed order

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 07 October 2011 - 09:30 PM

[Emurlahn]

back earlier than expected.

takign the bus to the airport though, so gotta leave earlier, too.

[Emurlahn]

Osseric, on 07 October 2011 - 05:34 PM, said:

I'm honestly wondering why you're pushing the lynch on bad-Osseric-you-made-me-boo-boo instead of looking at the Meanas-Galain (and I would add -Okaros) interaction that most probably netted us some Barbarians, which are a threat to all.

You never consider the whole thing, except to assault those who did.

barbs are small factions.
killing enemy emperors helps nerf the usurper.