[Sorrit]

To me quickly reading through, 2 good choices for Emperor are Osseric and Emur, I believe Emur to be linked to Tiam, (Tiam was a civil/military official) and I agree it reading through the thread that Osseric looks like a leader, so I assume we are going to get many people defending him. In fact I just remembered that when someone discussed hunting emperors, (Gamelon?) Osseric came on and argued against this, I think this was the post that stood out to me. If you read through the thread thinking that Osseric is an Emperor then it makes sense.

The thing I also agree with is that a lot of people are not being discussed or being pressured to vote or comment on anything, a lot of people saying I am busy with other stuff, but there are times in the day when everyone can get on and post, HP's absense for most of the game should be looked at. I was thinking about the Usurper before, and the night scene doesn't mention anything of a recruit so are we safe to assume that he only has the one recruit and recruiting for him will be the same as actions for everyone else? That they have to be in the same town or adjacent?

If we think that trying to find emperor's is a good idea then i'm for that but I wouldn't want to hit my own.

And, are we willing to just let the warlords, champions, usurper etc run free, maybe the emperors will be a help getting rid of these, if we believe Emur and Oseric to be emperors then that narrows down the suspect pool of other players within the game... thoughts?

[Okaros]

Alright, Popping in before I head out. I guess Emur's investigation has brought out all his listed suspects. Meanas handles it well, but Osserc seems to be all over the place. Take this last post:

Osseric, on 06 October 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

Woa, lots of info there

A comment I want to make: Silanah has become obsessed about me, because Silanah is a finder and she must have investigated me as not in her team last night.

So she wants me lynched, and for this she can't say why, so she tries to make me into an Emperor to convince you to vote (because that's the only way to convince people to vote, we all know our Emperors so if someone we don't know is an Emperor, he's not ours). After my CF she's just go "oops, that was unexpected" , sound contrite on thread and pat herself in the back silently.


She's trying wayyy to hard to take everyone of my posts, summarize, and add at the end "... so he's an Emperor". Sometimes it will be hard to answer because I don't always see the logic. But I will make a statement in my next post.

So because Silanah has decided to take a closer look at you, Osseric, she/he has to then be a finder for some reason? You know this for sure, somehow, and that Silanah is also not part of your faction. But then, you conclude that Silanah would vote for you because she/he would know their own emperor, and you are not silanah's emperor, so hell, might as well vote for anyone else right?. This would be reckless.

The only way this makes sense, which is what I think you were going for in your post, is that Silanah knows you are not part of his/her faction, has decided you were some sort of threat, and is now pushing to vote for you. All this based on the assumption that Sil is a finder. How do you know this? Emur also presented a strong case against you, is Emur also a finder? Doesn't add up.

Vote Osseric

For confusing me, and making claims that do not seem to be based on any proof. I hope Osseric can provide some evidence. Seeing as it is early in the day, the vote can definitely shift.

[Osseric]

Anyways, I should commute from work to home, I will be back soon

[Okaros]

Osseric, on 06 October 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

About my style of play:

In such a huge game, important roles will cruise. I mean that literally. If I felt me getting lynched or killed could seriously affect my team (hence my chances to win), I would lay low. I don't have this feeling from my role, so I go and play with a certain abandon and I try to make things happen (Emurlahn woke up when I twisted his tits, Hood's Path is finally in the game after seeing his name mentioned too many times for his comfort).

Now, before you call WIFOM, WIFOM only applies if one of the stategies is not ass-stupid, cause I'm not stupid. I fully expect my ass to have been throughly investigated at night , and I decided to play like this under the assumption that even if one is successful, a finder will see I'm small fish, even if not on his team, and will not kill himself by revealing just to get me lynched. They might try to push a "case" like Silanah is doing, though.

Alright, just saw this post. Seems to explain your logic about Silanah being a finder. But the question remains as to why you would claim that of Silanah and not others.

[Silanah]

I'm not a finder, and now you're making the argument that because you're active, you're unimportant.

That makes no sense. Some people are low posting because that's what their RL time allows; some people are low posting because they are laying low with a powerful role. Some people are high posting because they have time to make cases; some people are high posting because they want to hide their powerful roll in numerous posts. It's WIFOM. You can't just ignore my case because of this. I hope people see this as the frantic attempt to defend that it is!

[Hood's Path]

Sorrit, on 06 October 2011 - 01:46 PM, said:

Does that mean that the Lu dynasty had 2 military officers? Or rather they have had two so far? Wasn't Gamelon something similar?

No Gamelon was a Civil Officer.

[Osseric]

Okaros, on 06 October 2011 - 03:45 PM, said:

Alright, Popping in before I head out. I guess Emur's investigation has brought out all his listed suspects. Meanas handles it well, but Osserc seems to be all over the place. Take this last post:

Osseric, on 06 October 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

Woa, lots of info there

A comment I want to make: Silanah has become obsessed about me, because Silanah is a finder and she must have investigated me as not in her team last night.

So she wants me lynched, and for this she can't say why, so she tries to make me into an Emperor to convince you to vote (because that's the only way to convince people to vote, we all know our Emperors so if someone we don't know is an Emperor, he's not ours). After my CF she's just go "oops, that was unexpected" , sound contrite on thread and pat herself in the back silently.


She's trying wayyy to hard to take everyone of my posts, summarize, and add at the end "... so he's an Emperor". Sometimes it will be hard to answer because I don't always see the logic. But I will make a statement in my next post.

So because Silanah has decided to take a closer look at you, Osseric, she/he has to then be a finder for some reason? You know this for sure, somehow, and that Silanah is also not part of your faction. But then, you conclude that Silanah would vote for you because she/he would know their own emperor, and you are not silanah's emperor, so hell, might as well vote for anyone else right?. This would be reckless.

The only way this makes sense, which is what I think you were going for in your post, is that Silanah knows you are not part of his/her faction, has decided you were some sort of threat, and is now pushing to vote for you. All this based on the assumption that Sil is a finder. How do you know this? Emur also presented a strong case against you, is Emur also a finder? Doesn't add up.

Vote Osseric

For confusing me, and making claims that do not seem to be based on any proof. I hope Osseric can provide some evidence. Seeing as it is early in the day, the vote can definitely shift.

What I meant is the paragraph "The only way this makes sense...". I don't know where you got the part before.

Maybe it's because it's about me, but there's a serious difference between the love Emulahn has given me (most probably out of piss that I drag him again in the spot), and the inquisition of Silanah, which comes out of nowhere. Silanah never strung so many posts and never made a case in the game until now. Either I touched her sweet spot, which I don't remember doing, or, like I said, she made a find that I'm not with her and tries to justify getting me lynched with things which are a bit far-fetched

[Silanah]

Sorrit, on 06 October 2011 - 03:44 PM, said:

To me quickly reading through, 2 good choices for Emperor are Osseric and Emur, I believe Emur to be linked to Tiam, (Tiam was a civil/military official) and I agree it reading through the thread that Osseric looks like a leader, so I assume we are going to get many people defending him. In fact I just remembered that when someone discussed hunting emperors, (Gamelon?) Osseric came on and argued against this, I think this was the post that stood out to me. If you read through the thread thinking that Osseric is an Emperor then it makes sense.

The thing I also agree with is that a lot of people are not being discussed or being pressured to vote or comment on anything, a lot of people saying I am busy with other stuff, but there are times in the day when everyone can get on and post, HP's absense for most of the game should be looked at. I was thinking about the Usurper before, and the night scene doesn't mention anything of a recruit so are we safe to assume that he only has the one recruit and recruiting for him will be the same as actions for everyone else? That they have to be in the same town or adjacent?

If we think that trying to find emperor's is a good idea then i'm for that but I wouldn't want to hit my own.

And, are we willing to just let the warlords, champions, usurper etc run free, maybe the emperors will be a help getting rid of these, if we believe Emur and Oseric to be emperors then that narrows down the suspect pool of other players within the game... thoughts?

I want a case on the usurper and warlords, but I honestly don't know where to start. Low posters? Makes sense, but I don't know what to do with that.

[Sorrit]

Hood, on 06 October 2011 - 03:49 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 06 October 2011 - 01:46 PM, said:

Does that mean that the Lu dynasty had 2 military officers? Or rather they have had two so far? Wasn't Gamelon something similar?

No Gamelon was a Civil Officer.

Which is the same thing, they get to change if they are in the same location as their emperor. Read the OP man

[Silanah]

Osseric, on 06 October 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 October 2011 - 03:45 PM, said:

Alright, Popping in before I head out. I guess Emur's investigation has brought out all his listed suspects. Meanas handles it well, but Osserc seems to be all over the place. Take this last post:

Osseric, on 06 October 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

Woa, lots of info there

A comment I want to make: Silanah has become obsessed about me, because Silanah is a finder and she must have investigated me as not in her team last night.

So she wants me lynched, and for this she can't say why, so she tries to make me into an Emperor to convince you to vote (because that's the only way to convince people to vote, we all know our Emperors so if someone we don't know is an Emperor, he's not ours). After my CF she's just go "oops, that was unexpected" , sound contrite on thread and pat herself in the back silently.


She's trying wayyy to hard to take everyone of my posts, summarize, and add at the end "... so he's an Emperor". Sometimes it will be hard to answer because I don't always see the logic. But I will make a statement in my next post.

So because Silanah has decided to take a closer look at you, Osseric, she/he has to then be a finder for some reason? You know this for sure, somehow, and that Silanah is also not part of your faction. But then, you conclude that Silanah would vote for you because she/he would know their own emperor, and you are not silanah's emperor, so hell, might as well vote for anyone else right?. This would be reckless.

The only way this makes sense, which is what I think you were going for in your post, is that Silanah knows you are not part of his/her faction, has decided you were some sort of threat, and is now pushing to vote for you. All this based on the assumption that Sil is a finder. How do you know this? Emur also presented a strong case against you, is Emur also a finder? Doesn't add up.

Vote Osseric

For confusing me, and making claims that do not seem to be based on any proof. I hope Osseric can provide some evidence. Seeing as it is early in the day, the vote can definitely shift.

What I meant is the paragraph "The only way this makes sense...". I don't know where you got the part before.

Maybe it's because it's about me, but there's a serious difference between the love Emulahn has given me (most probably out of piss that I drag him again in the spot), and the inquisition of Silanah, which comes out of nowhere. Silanah never strung so many posts and never made a case in the game until now. Either I touched her sweet spot, which I don't remember doing, or, like I said, she made a find that I'm not with her and tries to justify getting me lynched with things which are a bit far-fetched

My case on your postings has been one of the most concrete of the game so far. The other cases have been "you're annoying!" "There was a comma!" "Day 1 signaling!" I didn't make cases earlier because the votes seemed apparent then, regardless if I had been duped into following along with you. Emur's post roused me into action, and made me actually want to contribute something. So I did, I went after someone who I thought looked suspicious from emur's posts, and did a re-read of my own. You seem to be the one who is reaching here.

[Hood's Path]

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

I'll admit straight away, this is almost absolutely nothing to go on. It's just a hunch, not a case or an accusation. A while ago, Hood's Path deliberated on how Serc could have managed to find Tiamatha if Tiam started out in the far north.

Hood, on 05 October 2011 - 03:06 PM, said:

I personally think that Serc's reveal is correct. He is a member of Yan so he likely started out in

Yong An
Jiang Xia
Eight Fan
He Fei

Since he did a find on Tiamatha and it came back as Cen Pi a member of the Xia dynasty then he was most likely in He Fei when he did his find.

At first I had trouble believing the find because Cen Pi was tasked with fighting the GongSun along the northern border. How could Serc do a find on a player that is supposed to be two cities away?

When you take into the OP message about the barbarians able to waltz into an empty village then it makes sense. Cen Pi must have moved from Xin Du to Luo Yang thus moving into range of Serc's ablility to find him. It's blatantly obvious that Tiamatha is a member of Xia.

One of the easiest slam dunk cases that you can make

vote Tiamatha

Busy at work today so won't be on much today.

I was struck by the bit I bolded. HP was very certain by what the empty village referred to, that Tiamatha had left the northern border undefended. It made me think that HP is sure of this because he is a Warlord, who strode down into Xia territory only to find no one there.

As I said, just a hunch. Now that I've thrown out my suspicions, I will take a look at the other people which Emur highlighted.

The reason that I was so certain of this is because Serc said that he did a find on Tiamatha and he came back as Cen Pi. As all of these Chinese names are so damn confusing I went back to the reference material that D'rek provided and did a look up of Cen Pi. This is what was written.

A military officer of the Han who became a general loyal to Yuan Shao. One of the high court members secluded in 200 to root out Liu Bei's conspiracy (and one of the even fewer who survived). hortly after the Liu Bei incident, promoted to Field Marshall and sent to the northern border with limited forces to repel Gongsun Zan's invasion. Fought Gongsun Zan back and forth across the northern plains for a couple years, losing most of his initial command, but managed to encircle Gongsun Zan's main forces in Fan Yang. Held the siege for several years with limited reinforcements before Gongsun Zan broke out and fled north. For the next 15 years, commanded the northern frontier through numerous minor battles and campaigns between Gongsun Zan and Yuan Shao's forces while Shao conducted his southern campaigns, soldified his hold on the central provinces and took the throne.

As you can see Cen Pi was tasked with fighting the GongSun Zan's forces in the northeast. I did a simple deductive skill of saying if Cen Pi was in the northeast there is no way that Serc could have done a find on him as he was two cities away. The only way that the find would work is if Cen Pi moved to Luo Yang. Not rocket science.

[Barghast]

Sorrit, on 06 October 2011 - 01:46 PM, said:

Does that mean that the Lu dynasty had 2 military officers? Or rather they have had two so far? Wasn't Gamelon something similar?

Considering civvies/ militaries can switch roles, it may be they are the rank and file of the Imperial factions. Emperor and PM seem unique roles (on a faction level) same as warlords. So, 2 warlords, 3 Emperors, 3 Prime Ministers, 1 Usurper = 9 unique roles, 16 remaining roles/players to be divided between 3 unknown roles, Civvies/Militaries and champions.

It seems a safe bet that the 3 unknowns are unique roles, too, so that leaves 13 players who are either a civil officer, military officer, or Champion. My own guesstimate is 2 champions per rebel faction, leaving 9 players. 3 civvies/ military officers per faction and we have an all-round, equal split with evenly sized factions except for the one where the Usurper sits in.
The Empress coming from the Phoenix speculation, might be one of the unmentioned roles, if she exists.

[Sorrit]

Does this seem plausable to everyone else?


Right, i'm heading away for a while but I want to leave a vote in case I don't make it back before day end, I know we have a lot of time but my time may become a bit limited

[Sorrit]

Atrahal/Hood's Path???

HP has made some recent posts climbing to go level with Atrahal, I cannot remember one word Atrahal has said, non participation in a player gives us other players a harder read on them. I will have a quick look through at Atrahal's posts

[Sorrit]

His posts in one post

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So no connection between Serc and Gamelon, and Tiam's paranoia has turned out to be well founded. Was Serc's reveal real or a stab in desperation. I have to think, and my head hurts.

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It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. I just read up and and still think Serc was the best place for my vote today. To many slips IMMHO, and his reveal sound like Kahn "with my last breath I stab at thee"

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I just read the case on Tiam from start to finish, and I can not say I am impressed. I see many cases of players ignoring answers and strawmaning. But that being said, lynching Tiam, and getting a CF would give a lot of info into the players pushing it, and the players avoiding it. I am going to vote for the known as apposed to the unknown. I think we have a lot more on Serc at this point and I think his play at the end of day yesterday is way to telling to me.

I will be back before end of day to shift my vote to Tiam if Serc comes back with a good defense. But for now I will up the count on Serc.

Vote Serc

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Looking over the lynch, the thing that sent up warning signs to me was Serc's play during the last few hours. Pulling his vote with a few hrs left in day looking for a defense from Gamelon is normal Mafia playing. It's his attempted hammer vote right after Karosis hammered Gamelon I didn't like. I get the feeling he was waiting for day to time out, and then come in late with some excuse. Mind you THIS JUST A GUT FEELING after reading the thread. If he knew Gamelon was on his team, I can see it as trying to protect his team mate with out looking like it. I could see myself playing it that way.

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I was hoping Gam would get back before I headed to bed. But that being the case, I will leave with a vote for him. More for it being the largest train, and we need the info from a lynch.

vote Gamelon

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So Emu hints at being a civil servant, Gam calls him on it. Votes ensue.

Gam is voting for Serc because he says Serc is not looking hard enough at other players.

Gam is being voted for because of a comma in an Emu post.(punctuation, it's a bitch)

Tiam is first to bring up a role, so Omtose votes for Okaros for bringing it up next.


It think that covers it for this point in day 1. Have I missed anything?


Oh, and Gam looks like how I would picture an oriental Kruppe.

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That was a lot of reading to get caught up on.

I need to make dinner, then I will try to make heads or tails of what has gone on today.

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I'm seriously over whelmed at work at the moment and will try to get caught up when I get home. I should be able to get back before time out.

The best I can do today.

Before this was day one banter, so what do I make of him. He has been on two lynch trains, yet hasn't provided much, he doesn't state his reasons for being on the trains but it is a good way to look like you are participating when you're actually not.

[Sorrit]

For now, I will



Vote Atrahal


I am not against an Osseric lynch, i'm just offering a different route and a little pressure on one of the lower posters.


Hopefully, and most probably i'll be able to come back and switch if necessary

[Path-Shaper]

It is 228 AD. 32 hours and 5 minutes remaining
21 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan

11 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Atrahal ( Sorritt )
3 Votes for Osseric ( Emurlahn, Silanah, Okaros )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan

[Silanah]

PS killed it.

/lonely.

[Osseric]

Meanas, on 06 October 2011 - 03:36 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 October 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

Woa, lots of info there

A comment I want to make: Silanah has become obsessed about me, because Silanah is a finder and she must have investigated me as not in her team last night.

So she wants me lynched, and for this she can't say why, so she tries to make me into an Emperor to convince you to vote (because that's the only way to convince people to vote, we all know our Emperors so if someone we don't know is an Emperor, he's not ours). After my CF she's just go "oops, that was unexpected" , sound contrite on thread and pat herself in the back silently.


She's trying wayyy to hard to take everyone of my posts, summarize, and add at the end "... so he's an Emperor". Sometimes it will be hard to answer because I don't always see the logic. But I will make a statement in my next post.

What do you mean by the bolded part? I for one don't know who my emperor is, and I warrant the majority of players don't know the identity of their emperors.

Edit: Ugh, ignore. For some reason I thought you were speaking about the PM. Brain melt fart.

Err, wat? For what reason on earth would you think I was speaking about to PM? The whole discussion until now has been about Emperors, and I say Emperor twice in the part you bolded.

vote Meanas

What the hell are you, a champion?

[Silanah]

Wow, I must have missed that post from Meanas... hmm.

A mistake? Or is he covering for his emperor?