[Thyrllan]

Wow, long day was long, I'm going to have to catch up properly when I've had some sleep. Missed the end of day 1

For the record I'd like game frozen and thread open over the weekend.

[Ruse]

As for the frozen thing, I don't care if the thread is full frozen or left open to comment. I would like night to be resolved before the freeze however.

[Osseric]

Ruse, on 30 September 2011 - 01:08 PM, said:

As for the frozen thing, I don't care if the thread is full frozen or left open to comment. I would like night to be resolved before the freeze however.

Same here, I could accomodate any of the scenarios suggested by the Mod depending on what the others prefer, but I would appreciate being frozen during a day so that those around can make some constructive participation.

[Path-Shaper]

MOD POST

It is Night 1. 3 hours and 57 minutes remaining

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What I will do for the weekend is six hours or so into day 2 (so roughly euro midnight) I will freeze the timer but the thread will stay open to chat. Once the timer freezes I won't process any actions or other things until I resume the timer on Monday morning (well, the euro monday morning - my sunday night).

[Sorrit]

That works for me, as I am helping my folks move house this weekend.

[Sorrit]

The posts regarding Gamelon and Serc are interesting because they do seem like they are distancing themselves from each other, or Gamelon was from Serc that is.

[Okaros]

Just caught up. Interesting that the Gamelon civil officer theory proved correct. if memory serves, we thought his aggressive case against Emurlahn had something to do with this? I'll have to go find the posts.

I'm off to class. I'll dig up the conversation between Emur and Gamelon when I get back.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Night 1. 1 hour and 58 minutes remaining

[Mockra]

Excellent work people, the Civil Official theory proving correct. Lots to work from here. The theory is that Gamelon jumped on Emur because he thought he was another civil official, thus he felt safe to vote for him because he wasn't likely to be in the same faction.

Now I've seen posts which suggest that Gamelon was afraid Emur was trying to signal Gamelon's emperor, but this is pure speculation. He could have just thought 'signalling' and not necessarily to his own emperor. So if we were to follow Gamelon's investigation into Emur, the likely suspects it brings up may not be Gamelon's emperor, but Emurlahn's.

I also see following Gamelon's interaction as a more beneficial course of action right now, particularly that jump vote on to Serc. Was it panic-induced, trying to show he wasn't connected and therefore 'guilty'? But this is a faction game, so what matter if he was connected to someone? We all are. So, then, was it distancing? Is Serc then Gamelon's emperor?

I also like the theory of Tiamatha being Emurlahn's emperor, the case seems stronger than the Atrahal one.

[Path-Shaper]

Now resolving, NAs cannot be changed.

[Tiamatha]

Back from work - cooking dinner, preping bath, throwing laundry in, and reading thread.

Post (s) incoming soon... hopefully... :S

[Emurlahn]

Path-Shaper, on 30 September 2011 - 05:07 PM, said:

Now resolving, NAs cannot be changed.

I though ironman meant they can't be changed anyhow?

[Path-Shaper]

The first year of renewed hostilities saw little actual bloodshed. Armies massed at every border, defensive barricades were erected, spies performed reconaissance deep within enemy territory and resources were accumulated at strategic points. Both Zhang Xiu and Yuan Tan were plagued by news of renewed fighting along their outer borders, including many reports of enemy attempts to penetrate deep into the center of each kingdom.

The atmosphere was oppressive, with the constant feeling day after day that a storm was just over the horizon.

Night is over. No one has died.

Now resolving Dawn events.

It is 226 AD (Day 2). 35 hours and 59 minutes remaining
24 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

13 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

[Path-Shaper]

Emurlahn, on 30 September 2011 - 05:15 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 30 September 2011 - 05:07 PM, said:

Now resolving, NAs cannot be changed.

I though ironman meant they can't be changed anyhow?

Ironman means they can't be changed and they resolve immediately (rather than all at once at the end of night). But nowhere in the rules does it say night is ironman...

[Emurlahn]

mea culpa.

I just remeber readig ironman in one of your posts and thought it applied everywhere.

[Korlat]

Just had a quick look, i'll need to read over the next two pages more thoroughly, my freeish day didn't turn out quite as planned, will have some thoughts in a bit.

Goes to show though that people with certain roles talking about them is still alive and well, although it makes sense that Gamelon did so. I also think it makes his possible attempt at distancing seem more likely, a last chance effort to separate himself from serc when it looked like the vote was swinging his way.

[Tiamatha]

Tiamatha, on 29 September 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 12:47 AM, said:

You can RP all you like, but I'm still going to call you on stuff like that. There's mountains of material you could use that doesn't come near the important stuff if all you wanted was some fun. So explain why you went and chose to talk about civil service exams with that choice of words if you weren't trying to hint at something.

So if he's hinting he's a Civil Servant, that makes him a ... Civil Servant? I guess? And what else?
I get the feeling that YOU yourself are a Civil Servant as well, and go with the "I'm the Civil Servant of my faction, so if he's a Civil Servant as well, then he's not on my faction, so my vote is safe" kinda flow of thoughts.

Osseric, on 29 September 2011 - 10:00 AM, said:

The way I see the Gamelon thing, assuming that all that was picked up on thread was correct (including by Gamelon) is this:
- Emurlahn signals that he's a civil servant
- Gamelon calls him up on this, saying ironically that it's a signal which is so lame that it has to be fake, and votes
- Emurlahn signals Gamelon that he's in his team.

That would make Gamelon Emurlah's Emperor, I think that's the simplest scenario that fits the who-know-who as I understand it (unlike what I said in my original vote, I understood now that emperors don't know their whole own team)

There's also
-Emurlahn signals Ruse the exact same way

But I'm not sure what to make of that; either Emulahn is a lose cannon, or he's just trying to dilute his original signal

That seems logical, but Gamelon called Emur out based on his suspicions of him not actually being a Civil Servant which is something that is highly unlikely for people to know already in Day One?
Either that -- OR -- Gamelon, who himself confirmed that he already knows his emperor was alarmed because it seemed from Emur's posts that Emur was trying to signal Gamelons Emperor stating he's his Civil Servant... And since Gamelon IS the Civil Servant of that faction already, he's calling him out on controversy?
/shrug



Haven't found anything else, these are my thoughts on this current case and the subject.

Ruse, on 30 September 2011 - 11:55 AM, said:

Well, the theory that Gamelon was himself a civil officer proved correct.

Osseric, on 30 September 2011 - 12:20 PM, said:

Wow, that CF being so close to what was being discussed so far is quite impressive.

Sheltatha Lore, on 30 September 2011 - 12:39 PM, said:

Good catch whoever pointed out Game's role first

Okaros, on 30 September 2011 - 02:23 PM, said:

Just caught up. Interesting that the Gamelon civil officer theory proved correct. if memory serves, we thought his aggressive case against Emurlahn had something to do with this? I'll have to go find the posts.

Thank you ladies and gents ~
I know I'm already the sexiest among the avatars, now do I get brownie points for pointing that out back in page 4?


Back in a few, checking dinner.

[Tennes]

Ruse, on 30 September 2011 - 12:10 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 12:41 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 29 September 2011 - 12:37 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 28 September 2011 - 11:58 PM, said:

I bow my head in beardless shame. But my "Accordion of Doom" (trademarked) shall bring all the Geisha to the zen garden.

Am I the only one who sees Atrahal in the old avatar?!?

Emurlahn, on 28 September 2011 - 11:58 PM, said:

my headband puts all your fancy hats to shame

Badass-bandana!
'Munchkin' quote

I like you,

Ok, I went back and read the exchange. Atrahal brings up the geishas, and Emur corrects him. That doesn't seem like signaling to me. THIS seems more likely - "I like you". Based on what? A headband vs. Bandana comparison.

I'm back and caught up. As i Stated in sign up... I will be low posting, at least for the first part of the game (until wednesday when the GF goes out of town) Anyway, I think this is a really good find by Ruse. This is the type of signaling that is sometimes ignored or thrown away as Rping Is it likely...who knows. It's risky, but this early in the game, I think it's something worth looking into.

[Emurlahn]

sigh

have you found ANYONE i haven't supposedly signalled yet?



i'm severly tempted to vote Meanas today. for bringing up that stupid comma business.

[Okaros]

Back from class. I was going to bring up the Gamelon Emur conversation, but it seems that you folks have covered it since I was last here. I would rather focus on Serc, and his odd actions late in the last day. I have went through the thread and selected a couple quotes dealing with the Serc/Gamelon signalling. I've taken the liberty to underline some stuff that is of interest, but I urge you all to read through the paragraph in which it is underlined to gain some idea of context..

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 29 September 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 28 September 2011 - 08:01 PM, said:

Nihao all! This game looks like it's going to be a blast! Love the new avatars, although I hope they're sufficiently distinguishable at a glance. Probably will be, as I can see there's quite a variation in background colour and clothing colour to make them all unique.

Vote Serc

For not knowing Chinese.

Serc, on 28 September 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

Oh, and...

Vote Gamelon

For pretending to know Chinese .

Gamelon, on 28 September 2011 - 09:51 PM, said:

Serc, on 28 September 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

Oh, and...

Vote Gamelon

For pretending to know Chinese .

OMG, You Suck!


Vote Serc

Oh wait, I've already done that.

A few people have already pointed this out... And reading back, actually THIS is the first possible signaling attempt? Funny how Serc comes back and accuses Emur on a shady OMGUS vote, when he and Gamelon were doing reach-arounds very very early in game.. And then both jump the signaling gun...

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

I am here briefly, as i'm nearly late for class.

as someone pointed out, your typical qwerty keyboard has a comma next to the m.



so htere, m,eanas!
now, since people don't seem capable of letting it go:



vote Gamelon

because oh, my, god, your case sucks



back in a few hours

I think this is a bogus post. Just because the [,] and [m] keys are next to each other on the keyboard...justifies nothing. And you seem to have deliberately made the same mistake just to prove that point? And then a deliberate OMGUS vote. None of this sits well with me. The hiding-in-plain-sight thing - trying to downplay things that would otherwise be suspicious by pointing them out, drawing attention to them, or deliberately being obvious about them - well, it's too early in the game for this to get a pass, I think.

Vote Emurlahn

Of course, the other problem right now is that with so many people playing, half of everyone (myself included) has 5 posts or fewer, and so at this point the nail that sticks up tends to get hammered down. Not a lot of other options, though.

It's not as if we have enough time, right? And it's not as if you guys can actually POINT OUT who exactly Emur was signaling, and we can decide if we can actually link that signal with something worth seeing into...
That's bullocks if you ask me.

I could vote for Emur right now, but I am ALL for voting to whom Emur was signaling to, if you can somehow pinpoint it out, maybe?
But right now, you two are getting cozy and quite close, and THAT is more worth looking into..

And since Gamelon pretty much stated he's a Civil Official / Military Official - That makes YOU Serc his Emperor, if he's signaling you with the double voting and the underlying chit-chat of day 1.

So, to make a long story short, can you guys actually come up with a name as to WHO Emur was signaling? If Emur DOES happen to be a Civil Servant / Military Official signaling to his Emperor, then let's try to FIND that Emperor, shall we?


And btw, I think we still have 3 people who haven't checked in yet? Galain, Kessobahn, Tennes.. ?

I'm getting cozy with whom? Gamelon? Fuck Gamelon. Due to his involvement with Emurlahn I see him as the next best target besides Emur. I mentioned earlier that it looked like Game was trying to distance himself from Emur with a vote after their initial interaction. Or did you mean I was getting cozy with Emurlahn? Anyone who thinks there was any interaction between Emurlahn and I needs to reread the thread. My first response and comment to him was followed by a vote on him. Somehow people just started saying, "yeah, those interactions between serc/game/emur!!!" when in reality...the interactions are all between Gamelon and someone else.

I think your problem is you want to find Emur's Emperor and lynch him on day 1. Odds are that isn't going to happen. We have very little info to base a lynch on; it's day 1, that's how it is. The best option is to find the most suspicious interactions, explore them if possible, and lynch someone involved. You even say you're ok with an Emurlahn vote but you'd rather lynch the person he was signaling - great, that's exactly what I said when I voted, so how can you criticize me for following the line of thought you are putting forward? I smell hypocrisy and dissembling.

I should point out that in the above response, Serc mentions that Gamelon voted for Emur to distance themselves from one another. This idea seems to be popular, based on Serc later actions.

Meanas, on 29 September 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

Interesting that Gamelon decides to vote, with unconvincing reasoning, for the player that it's been suggested he might have signalled to at the very beginning of the game in Serc. Trying to avoid that accusation again much? It seems to me that Gamelon is slightly panicking. He's seeing that votes are beginning to be evenly split between himself and Emurlahn, abandons the Emur case - which he proclaims as just fishing for reactions - and targets the guy who forms part of the case on himself.

For someone who's urging others to look around and find suspicious activity in other players, this stinks of self-preservation play. Not that that definitively makes Gamelon an important player - I only note that there is certainly more than a whiff of worry about him.

Kaschan, on 30 September 2011 - 12:56 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 30 September 2011 - 12:47 AM, said:

So Emu hints at being a civil servant, Gam calls him on it. Votes ensue.

Gam is voting for Serc because he says Serc is not looking hard enough at other players.

Gam is being voted for because of a comma in an Emu post.(punctuation, it's a bitch)

Tiam is first to bring up a role, so Omtose votes for Okaros for bringing it up next.




It think that covers it for this point in day 1. Have I missed anything?


Oh, and Gam looks like how I would picture an oriental Kruppe.

My first reaction was that the Game vote on Serc was more to say "look, I wasn't signalling" at a point late enough when it is unlikely a train on Serc is going to gain any real steam.

As for the weekend, I vote for a time freeze with the thread left open.

Serc, on 30 September 2011 - 04:10 AM, said:

Ok. Gamelon it is.

Remove vote

Vote Gamelon

Serc, on 30 September 2011 - 04:11 AM, said:

Actually...

Remove vote

I realize my vote opens Game to the hammer, so I can wait around until day's end to see if he'll show up.

The vote was removed with maybe only a couple hours left in the day. Like Serc, I too wished for Gamelon to appear and provide a defense. However, at this point I believe Gamelon had something like 11 votes, and with very little time left. Serc risks a no lynch and admits that he will not be there for when the day ends, so he may as well not vote. There was a good chance that the day would end in a no kill seeing as we had very little activity from a number of players on day 1.

I might be right off the mark here, but let me recap the suspicious behaviour. Serc and Gamelon were accused of signalling one another. Game votes for Serc, with no intention of any train building; this indicates an attempt to create distance between the two, it seems. Serc would vote for Gamelon, because we were running out of daylight. But then removes the vote, basically saying that he/she did not want to be responsible for a Gamelon lynch that would happen in a couple hours (at the end of the day, when Serc wouldn't even be around). This vote removal threatened the possibility of a no lynch, which I think we all agree would not have been good for the game in general.

It is very possible that Serc is part of Gamelon's faction. Not sure if we have enough evidence to say which position, but there is definitely something there.