[Karosis]

Tiamatha, on 04 October 2011 - 02:36 PM, said:

Great.

Now Sima Yi is active, as well...
One giant pool of potential clusterfuck...

Karosis, where did you go?
Did you actually bother to answer my last question?

yes i did in fact

Tiamatha, on 04 October 2011 - 02:36 PM, said:

Care to enlighten your fellow mafia players, how, before even Path-Shapers CF on Serc, you claimed I'm the only player around who knows the truth without a CF?

For example, chew on this, and tell us how come you dismissed the possibility of Serc being the Civil Officer sending a Notice action during Day 2 as far as the results of his Find NA.
Wouldn't that RESULT in more players actually gaining that information?
Since he like, revealed finder abilities?

All i was saying was that since you are the person he revealed his find about on thread, you would know better than most if he was telling the truth or not. and would have a damn better idea of what his CF was going to be as a result
the rest of us were in the dark.

That coupled with the fact that you where portraying someone that was eagerly waiting to see what his CF was like a kid sitting around the xmas tree was rather amusing to me as you had much more information than everyone else, thats all.

again...you are doing a great job of making mountains out of mole hills.
Starting to amuse me actually.

[Okaros]

I am awake...
So serc was a civic official from Yan. I do like how we can play with the position of his death to determine Tiam's location. Not sure quite how that would help, if Serc's reveal was true, but it is an interesting game mechanic nonetheless.

Path-Shaper, on 04 October 2011 - 01:59 PM, said:

It is the midsummer's eve of 226 AD. By the Xia calendar, it is the 2nd reign year of Tai He ("Virtuous Growth"). By the Lu calendar, the 9th year of Huang Wu ("Prosperous Harmony"). By the Yan calendar, the 4th year of Jian Xing "Avenging Flame".

Despite the wars raging through town and city alike, the court and common folk alike take time to celebrate midsummer with festivities raging long into the night. In one city, a prominent high minister is whispering to his sons before they head off to separate court officials' parties: "What we are about to begin may quickly spell our doom, but if we succeed our glory will rise to the heavens. Be cautious, but do not falter."

His eldest son, Shi, replies "Do not worry father, I shall be as discreet as a snake but as steadfast as the dragon." His younger son, Zhao, added "But it is the phoenix that spurns us, rising from its own ashes just as we shall bring the return of the Han."

Sima Yi smiled. "The return of the Han? I suppose that is one way of phrasing it..."





Sima Yi, a high minister of one of the middle kingdoms, has begun searching for followers to his secret cause.

So now we get some confirmation that the Usurper is in fact a high minister. I wonder, though, if the usurper has emerged now because it was determined by his role, or if he/she made a choice to emerge now. If it is the latter, then it is possible there was some pressure on the usurper in the last couple is not willing to wait any longer? I need me some coffee.

[Galain]

Well ... at least now we know there wasn't a connection between Serc and Gamelon.

Not sure entirely how useful that is, but at least it puts the comma business to rest.

[Emurlahn]

Galain, on 04 October 2011 - 03:16 PM, said:

Well ... at least now we know there wasn't a connection between Serc and Gamelon.

Not sure entirely how useful that is, but at least it puts the comma business to rest.

it does?
in other news: still night, boring. and i'm late for class. today;s gonna be a super busy day. i'll be on VERY sporadically.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Night 2. 1 hour and 28 minutes remaining

[Osseric]

Okaros, on 04 October 2011 - 02:50 PM, said:

So now we get some confirmation that the Usurper is in fact a high minister. I wonder, though, if the usurper has emerged now because it was determined by his role, or if he/she made a choice to emerge now. If it is the latter, then it is possible there was some pressure on the usurper in the last couple is not willing to wait any longer? I need me some coffee.

Path-Shaper said "high minister", but the OP mentions "high official". It's strange that it's not consistent.

I'm wondering why now? If it's the Usurper choice, I don't know why he didn't try last night, I'm not sure what would be gained by waiting. If he had to wait for a condition, what do we know happened? Two civil officials died? Hmm.

[Osseric]

Barghast, on 04 October 2011 - 01:35 PM, said:

Crap, so I missed the day
CF... well, let's say that these connection theories are generally a long shot to begin with - even if there was a definate case to be made that we were witnessing some day 1 distancing. Now that Serc came up as a civvie (dangerous times to be in the bureaucracy, it seems), his find may be correct.

Now, I guess Yan officials are mostly stuck to Yan lands, meaning that perhaps Serc's potential locations can give a clue as to Tiam's potential locations, which might give a clue as to Tiam's alignment. Hmm, I have to muse on this.

I'm not certain I get this post. You tend to trust Serc's find, but are looking at position rules to try to determine Tiam's alignment? Errr...

[Tennes]

Back and caught up. A lot has gone on including the Serc Reveal. At this point I am inclined to believe the reveal. With this info you can definately draw some conclusions as to who Tiam is.If you aren't in Xia its a good opportunity to pile on, if you are in Xia, well, best look elsewhere. Of course, then you run the chance of being pigeon holed, or giving to much info...and around and around we go. Typically Malaz mafia likes to kick a team when they are down, tomorrow will be an interesting day. (If Tiam survives).

[Tennes]

Osseric, on 04 October 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

Barghast, on 04 October 2011 - 01:35 PM, said:

Crap, so I missed the day
CF... well, let's say that these connection theories are generally a long shot to begin with - even if there was a definate case to be made that we were witnessing some day 1 distancing. Now that Serc came up as a civvie (dangerous times to be in the bureaucracy, it seems), his find may be correct.

Now, I guess Yan officials are mostly stuck to Yan lands, meaning that perhaps Serc's potential locations can give a clue as to Tiam's potential locations, which might give a clue as to Tiam's alignment. Hmm, I have to muse on this.

I'm not certain I get this post. You tend to trust Serc's find, but are looking at position rules to try to determine Tiam's alignment? Errr...

Yeah, that doesn't make much sense..if you believe the reveal.. you don't need to use position to figure out his alignment. You can guess though as to where Tiam was when he was acted upon by Serc.

[Hood's Path]

Hey I'm just letting everyone know I'm alive and not so well. I'm not going to have much time today to post. I'll try to contribute some later today. It's night anyway so it works out.

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 04 October 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

Barghast, on 04 October 2011 - 01:35 PM, said:

Crap, so I missed the day
CF... well, let's say that these connection theories are generally a long shot to begin with - even if there was a definate case to be made that we were witnessing some day 1 distancing. Now that Serc came up as a civvie (dangerous times to be in the bureaucracy, it seems), his find may be correct.

Now, I guess Yan officials are mostly stuck to Yan lands, meaning that perhaps Serc's potential locations can give a clue as to Tiam's potential locations, which might give a clue as to Tiam's alignment. Hmm, I have to muse on this.

I'm not certain I get this post. You tend to trust Serc's find, but are looking at position rules to try to determine Tiam's alignment? Errr...

Brain fart. I typed it while in a convo with a client over the phone, wasn't re-checking my argument and drifted off. Shit happens, and sadly, that's what happened here. Sloppy.


However, the OP makes certain we know that the likelihood of an action getting through is fairly low, due to actions cancelling each other out. Especially at the start of the game, when I guess factions were fairly organized, this likeliness would be quite high. As an illustration:


There are a lot of roles that can do stuff, there are 2 roles that can kill, and it seems likely that at the least the barbarians start with Champions in play, even if the Imperials have to change from Civvie to Military (representing mobilisation or something?). Yet, we have had no dead people at night 1, so there was not even 1 succesful kill or a duel (which I guess is less likely to happen) so far. Considering the movement rules, killing the occupants of a tile seems rather necessary to being able to move into it if your faction has no-one there yet and it isn't empty from opponents. So, aggressive night actions are likely to happen and to be present in boatloads, unless D'rek plans for us to play for three weeks real life, lynching one guy per 36 hours.

Now, if last night kills were guarded/ healed (yeah, there are of course two blockers for a kill through another kill and through a heal, only 1 for a find), then what are the odds that a find gets through? A night action, any night action, getting through may perhaps be way rarer than we think it is - personally, I figure Emperors may have a blanket guard on a location, or something - it is said they have abilities that can affect multiple people, after all. It would also mean that random killer X can;t take out an Emperor through a lucky shot, acting as a BP.
Since the rule is that civvies can change into military officers in the presence of their emperor alone, and do so by day, (which would circumvent a night block by the Emperor), well, a find getting through from the location of one Emperor to the location of another might be somewhat unlikely, wouldn't it?

Now, I'm grasping at straws here. Frankly, I haven't really thought this theory through, or worked it out, nor am I likely to do so within the next hours before I go to bed, as the wine bottle beckons. But, I do have a bit of a feeling that I may be on to something here.

[Korlat]

Just back from a long and trying day and catching up, scanned the pages quickly, internet is being a bit unreliable again though.

I see I missed the Serc reveal and if i'd been here I would have probably been unsure over that one, it seemed too modest as someone pointed out to be a fake reveal and it turns out he had the finder ability now it is a question of if what he revealed was truthful and I am inclined to believe him on that one, the only other possibility that seems at all like it has a chance is that Tiam is also a member of the Yan and Serc was diverting attention away from him but all in all it looks more likely to be an honest bid for him to avoid lynch than anything more complex.

[Path-Shaper]

I am now resolving night.

[Path-Shaper]

The Yan ruler, irate at being roused in the middle of the night, eyed the dishevelled and poorly dressed man accompanying his general disapprovingly. "And what, exactly, is this dirty peasant supposed to do for us, general?" "My lord, this is Guan Lu, the famed diviner of heaven's secrets and master of the stars. He sees events and people far away. He's already described for me the Lu emperor's castle defenses at Han Zhong!" Suspicious but intrigued, Huang Zhong asked Guan Lu to describe portentious events occuring in the world.

The mystic, who spoke only in riddles as mystics are wont to do, said to Zhong "A winged shadow descends upon a deserted village. Is it surprised? In the ancient capital, a man swallows and chokes on a phoenix. He dies and is born anew, but perhaps there are some who can tell the difference. The oxen charge against the wall again and again but they cannot find the door handle."

Huang Zhong, unimpressed, dismissed his general and returned to bed.

Night 2 is ended. No one died.

[Path-Shaper]

It is 227 AD. 35 hours and 59 minutes remaining
23 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

[Path-Shaper]

Now resolving Dawn stuff.

[Tennes]

So another no death night. Interesting scenefrom PS. Here's my take.

Path-Shaper, on 04 October 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

"A winged shadow descends upon a deserted village. Is it surprised?

To me this means that one of the Tribes moved to a tile that had no one in it. Maybe a supposedly popular tile? A Capital thats been deserted?

Path-Shaper, on 04 October 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

In the ancient capital, a man swallows and chokes on a phoenix. He dies and is born anew, but perhaps there are some who can tell the difference.

This screams of the Usurpers transformation. Also hints that he is in a capital, and that certain finders might be able to see that he is the usurper?

Path-Shaper, on 04 October 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

The oxen charge against the wall again and again but they cannot find the door handle."

I think PS is poking a little fun here. Maybe some people trying the same action over and over and failing once again.


I can't recall 100% but I seem to remember that D'rek does throw clues into her scenes. These might be worth noting for later.

[Sorrit]

She did involve characters that are playing in each of her scenes and provided us with clues the last few games.

[Korlat]

Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 08:31 PM, said:

Korlat, on 03 October 2011 - 08:24 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:

Speaking of thoughts then - Here's a curve ball.

Serc is being voted on grounds of being Gamelon's Emperor.
I am being voted on grounds of having a power role, and most people being convinced that I'm an Empress (Emperor).

Barghast initially voted for me, then switches to Serc - showing clear sign of having no issue between the two of us. So out of all the people who are saying that they wouldn't mind voting for me or Serc on the grounds of either of us being an Emperor - Barghast goes on and shows clearly he doesn't care which one of us actually gets lynched, and acts on it.


So Barghasts behavior can be explained as him being a Warlord -OR- Champion... OR surprise surprise, an Emperor himself.

Before this I was thinking he was potentially trying to deflect the vote from serc and therefore possibly of that faction but that vote change with time still left and an apparent abandoning of his supposed plan to pressure tiam made me pause a little, I was thinking emperor but i suppose warlord would also make a lot of sense, he certainly doesn't seem too concerned either way despite the earlier push for you and waiting to see how things develop in accordance to this, I thought his timing was strange.

To be fair, he could also be the Civil/Military Official of Xia or Yan (since Gamelon was the Lu Faction) --- since he knows the alt name of his Emperor already, and it's not one of the current ones under pressure.

Reading back over this I find it interesting, discussing barghast and his possibly trying to put the train onto tiam to divert attention from serc, this was just after he then switched and voted for serc giving up his case on pressuring tiam. We know now of course that serc was yan, possibility of a link there?

[Path-Shaper]

Done dawn resolution, day actions can now be sent/resolved and its standard fare from here.