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Mafia 78 - Rot3K Chapter 6: The End of the Three Kingdoms Game Thread
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 03:46 AM
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 03:51 AM
LONG POST IS INCOMING. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. PROCEED WITH CAUTION.
Le sigh....
Serc, you realize that out of all the votes on your current train, mine has been the only one not based on the assumption that you are the Lu Emperor.
These are my thoughts on what your reveal claims to be.
You claim to be :
Either the Prime Minister of Lu, currently standing in Han Zhong or Chang An
Or the Prime Minister of Yan, currently standing in Jiang Xia or Hei Fei
Or the Civil Official / Military Officer of Yan (It's the same thing, people, according to the rules you get to switch between each of the role types if you stand on the same tile with your Emperor), currently standing in Jiang Xia or Hei Fei.
You can try to mask your faction all you want, but I seriously doubt that the Warlord(s) Faction have Finders. They start at the edge of the map, so a Find ability will be useless for them, they already know the possible faction a successful Find will yield. Afaik about the Special NA(s) I don't know anything about, or about the three other supposed roles.
I accused you of withholding information from the rest of us, because that is exactly what you were doing. You even threw up smokescreens in your reveal about being Xia Faction.
And now, you're setting me up, on a case that I can't actually defend against, because it's a "my word vs your word" kind of thing, that only a CF will resolve.
You're throwing my name out there, hoping that people will jump on me based on the possibility of me being a 'bigger fish in the pond' than you are.
You prey on the fact that Lu Faction members won't vote for you and risk losing their Prime Minister, and Yan Faction members won't vote for you and risk losing their Prime Minister / Civil-Military Officer.
So, you're building up something, on grounds that only a CF will resolve, based on the fact that the already 'hurt' faction will follow suit, and the other faction will think it over and switch.
And that's all structured on the hopes that people will show good faith and 'test' your claim. Hoping for what, exactly? That based on what you say, I am Xia Faction, with a possible chance of actually being the Emperor. Again, something that only a CF will clear out.
For someone so aggravated about his own case being built on something you can't actually defend against, you sure are eager to play the same card on me.
Pot, meet Kettle.
For the very last time :::
I am not the Usurper. I am not a Warlord. I am not an Emperor.
Although this claim will certainly fall on some deaf ears, I'm inclined to say it again.
I had other targets in mind, so to speak.
Truth?
Before this I was thinking he was potentially trying to deflect the vote from serc and therefore possibly of that faction but that vote change with time still left and an apparent abandoning of his supposed plan to pressure tiam made me pause a little, I was thinking emperor but i suppose warlord would also make a lot of sense, he certainly doesn't seem too concerned either way despite the earlier push for you and waiting to see how things develop in accordance to this, I thought his timing was strange.
To be fair, he could also be the Civil/Military Official of Xia or Yan (since Gamelon was the Lu Faction) --- since he knows the alt name of his Emperor already, and it's not one of the current ones under pressure.
Or Champion, I could just as well be a Warlord's underling.
People don't even bother reading posts thoroughly nowadays.
Like Rashan, branding my <Tea Ceremony> and <Flower Arrangement> comment as signaling, when that comment was made way back when, when I was joking around early on about which female avatar looks hottest. These two named practices are what females of supposed noble upbringing in Japan, are trained into, as part of their education for their roles later on in life. I think <Calligraphy> is another one, as well, should have mentioned that too. So, perhaps it's not common in China as well, perhaps it is. I don't know, I'm no expert in Eastern Culture, nor do I claim to be. But talk about people looking for needles in a haystack...
You want more of my thoughts on what's going on?
Alright... Let's play ball...
Scared that Serc was hammered? Awwww....
Here's another roll of the dice, "dear"...
This sums up pretty much the entire case against me. I have to say, it's pretty unbelievable. Not only has there not been a SINGLE question directed my way or any sort of request for me to "defend" myself, but there is no case against me, because there can't be. That's because nothing I've said can even remotely be used to support the theory that I'm Gamelon's Emperor. For this, Mafia friends, I am sorely disappointed in you all. I realize everyone wants a lynch and it's easy to pick the closest target, but holy fuck if this isn't some of the laziest play of all time. Anyone who actually thinks I'm Gamelon's Emperor should /gquit now and save themselves some shame when you get my CF.
^------ That...
Coupled with these :::
Check the posting times.
Then ask yourselves whether or not Mockra's posting style and attitude match up to someone who is STILL considering Serc a lynch candidate on grounds of him being the possible Emperor of Lu, and not someone who is trying to bait me for more posting and info, hoping for a slip up. Mockra's not sold on Serc at all, then comes out saying she's considering it, then switches back to me demanding more information, then says that "Serc can still be the Emperor of Lu but I don't know..." , somewhere there between demands a new, solid case out of me (that I'm supposed to pull out of thin air), then distances her self from Serc just to play it safe, and then finally comes back and votes for me, when in reality that's exactly what she would do in the first place, only she was buying time.
And to top that off?
She's setting up lynches.
In a faction game. Hmmmm.....
What might that possibly mean, my fellow Mafia Players?
That the possibility of Serc being Yan's Civil/Military Servant suddenly became a LOT LOT LESS... and the possibility of him being Lu's Prime Minister and Mockra being Lu's Emperor ---- OR ---- the possibility of him being Yan's Prime Minister and Mockra being Yan's Emperor became a LOT LOT MORE. Emperors do happen to know the alt names of their own Prime Ministers.
So, if Serc demands good faith from us, and expect us to believe that he does indeed have finder abilities, then let it be known that Tiamatha is willing to play with his rules.
On the grounds of my latest thoughts, I'd rather vote for Mockra, right now.
I removed my vote only because Serc was standing at L-1, and I want people to tell me what they think about it, before someone pops in and hammers him.
There's still some time for more discussion.
Tell me what you think about it.
Le sigh....
Serc, you realize that out of all the votes on your current train, mine has been the only one not based on the assumption that you are the Lu Emperor.
These are my thoughts on what your reveal claims to be.
You claim to be :
Either the Prime Minister of Lu, currently standing in Han Zhong or Chang An
Or the Prime Minister of Yan, currently standing in Jiang Xia or Hei Fei
Or the Civil Official / Military Officer of Yan (It's the same thing, people, according to the rules you get to switch between each of the role types if you stand on the same tile with your Emperor), currently standing in Jiang Xia or Hei Fei.
You can try to mask your faction all you want, but I seriously doubt that the Warlord(s) Faction have Finders. They start at the edge of the map, so a Find ability will be useless for them, they already know the possible faction a successful Find will yield. Afaik about the Special NA(s) I don't know anything about, or about the three other supposed roles.
I accused you of withholding information from the rest of us, because that is exactly what you were doing. You even threw up smokescreens in your reveal about being Xia Faction.
And now, you're setting me up, on a case that I can't actually defend against, because it's a "my word vs your word" kind of thing, that only a CF will resolve.
You're throwing my name out there, hoping that people will jump on me based on the possibility of me being a 'bigger fish in the pond' than you are.
You prey on the fact that Lu Faction members won't vote for you and risk losing their Prime Minister, and Yan Faction members won't vote for you and risk losing their Prime Minister / Civil-Military Officer.
So, you're building up something, on grounds that only a CF will resolve, based on the fact that the already 'hurt' faction will follow suit, and the other faction will think it over and switch.
And that's all structured on the hopes that people will show good faith and 'test' your claim. Hoping for what, exactly? That based on what you say, I am Xia Faction, with a possible chance of actually being the Emperor. Again, something that only a CF will clear out.
For someone so aggravated about his own case being built on something you can't actually defend against, you sure are eager to play the same card on me.
Pot, meet Kettle.
For the very last time :::
I am not the Usurper. I am not a Warlord. I am not an Emperor.
Although this claim will certainly fall on some deaf ears, I'm inclined to say it again.
I had other targets in mind, so to speak.
Truth?
Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 09:37 PM, said:
Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 08:31 PM, said:
Korlat, on 03 October 2011 - 08:24 PM, said:
Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:
Speaking of thoughts then - Here's a curve ball.
Serc is being voted on grounds of being Gamelon's Emperor.
I am being voted on grounds of having a power role, and most people being convinced that I'm an Empress (Emperor).
Barghast initially voted for me, then switches to Serc - showing clear sign of having no issue between the two of us. So out of all the people who are saying that they wouldn't mind voting for me or Serc on the grounds of either of us being an Emperor - Barghast goes on and shows clearly he doesn't care which one of us actually gets lynched, and acts on it.
So Barghasts behavior can be explained as him being a Warlord -OR- Champion... OR surprise surprise, an Emperor himself.
Serc is being voted on grounds of being Gamelon's Emperor.
I am being voted on grounds of having a power role, and most people being convinced that I'm an Empress (Emperor).
Barghast initially voted for me, then switches to Serc - showing clear sign of having no issue between the two of us. So out of all the people who are saying that they wouldn't mind voting for me or Serc on the grounds of either of us being an Emperor - Barghast goes on and shows clearly he doesn't care which one of us actually gets lynched, and acts on it.
So Barghasts behavior can be explained as him being a Warlord -OR- Champion... OR surprise surprise, an Emperor himself.
Before this I was thinking he was potentially trying to deflect the vote from serc and therefore possibly of that faction but that vote change with time still left and an apparent abandoning of his supposed plan to pressure tiam made me pause a little, I was thinking emperor but i suppose warlord would also make a lot of sense, he certainly doesn't seem too concerned either way despite the earlier push for you and waiting to see how things develop in accordance to this, I thought his timing was strange.
To be fair, he could also be the Civil/Military Official of Xia or Yan (since Gamelon was the Lu Faction) --- since he knows the alt name of his Emperor already, and it's not one of the current ones under pressure.
Or Champion, I could just as well be a Warlord's underling.
People don't even bother reading posts thoroughly nowadays.
Like Rashan, branding my <Tea Ceremony> and <Flower Arrangement> comment as signaling, when that comment was made way back when, when I was joking around early on about which female avatar looks hottest. These two named practices are what females of supposed noble upbringing in Japan, are trained into, as part of their education for their roles later on in life. I think <Calligraphy> is another one, as well, should have mentioned that too. So, perhaps it's not common in China as well, perhaps it is. I don't know, I'm no expert in Eastern Culture, nor do I claim to be. But talk about people looking for needles in a haystack...
You want more of my thoughts on what's going on?
Alright... Let's play ball...
Mockra, on 04 October 2011 - 12:34 AM, said:
Ok, after that little scare....So Tiam, what's your next throw of the dice going to be? 
Scared that Serc was hammered? Awwww....
Here's another roll of the dice, "dear"...
Serc, on 03 October 2011 - 09:27 PM, said:
Mockra, on 01 October 2011 - 11:36 PM, said:
Right, let's get this thread going again!
Erm.....hmmm.
Well, my opinion is that Serc seems the likeliest target once voting resumes. The kind of argument that is being fielded against him - signalled and then distanced from by another player - is little he can do to defend himself against, as the actions weren't his that landed him in this. As I see it, all Serc can do is find another, even more viable, lynch candidate.
As for Tiamatha....I'm less convinced of that option right now, as Tiam has now been accused of being a Warlord, an Emperor, and the Usurper, all by basically the same argument But it's someone to bear in mind anyway.
Erm.....hmmm.
Well, my opinion is that Serc seems the likeliest target once voting resumes. The kind of argument that is being fielded against him - signalled and then distanced from by another player - is little he can do to defend himself against, as the actions weren't his that landed him in this. As I see it, all Serc can do is find another, even more viable, lynch candidate.
As for Tiamatha....I'm less convinced of that option right now, as Tiam has now been accused of being a Warlord, an Emperor, and the Usurper, all by basically the same argument
But it's someone to bear in mind anyway.This sums up pretty much the entire case against me. I have to say, it's pretty unbelievable. Not only has there not been a SINGLE question directed my way or any sort of request for me to "defend" myself, but there is no case against me, because there can't be. That's because nothing I've said can even remotely be used to support the theory that I'm Gamelon's Emperor. For this, Mafia friends, I am sorely disappointed in you all. I realize everyone wants a lynch and it's easy to pick the closest target, but holy fuck if this isn't some of the laziest play of all time. Anyone who actually thinks I'm Gamelon's Emperor should /gquit now and save themselves some shame when you get my CF.
^------ That...
Coupled with these :::
Mockra, on 03 October 2011 - 07:21 PM, said:
Osseric makes a very good point above. It seems Tiamatha's been so busy getting angry at the votes on herself that she's forgotten to point out whom she suspects, if anyone. So, Tiam, what do you think of the Serc case? And if you're not fond of that, what are your suspicions? You've already stated how much quicker than the rest of us fools you picked up on Gamelon, so you must have something.
Mockra, on 03 October 2011 - 07:32 PM, said:
If you feel you're in a lose-lose situation by voting for Serc, Tiam, then why don't you suggest someone else who struck the alarm bells? You've done a lot of strategy speculation, but you haven't come up with any viable targets. The three that have been thrown out - yourself, Serc, and Emurlahn earlier, appear not to be to your taste.
Mockra, on 03 October 2011 - 07:33 PM, said:
Tiam, I'm only pushing you for your opinion because I myself am undecided yet about whether to vote Serc or well, you. But I want to see if something else can be thrown out there.
Mockra, on 03 October 2011 - 11:38 PM, said:
And here I was all set to just believe Serc's find...but luckily smarter players than I are on the ball and have suggested various other possible intentions. As has been said, investigating Tiam seems mighty convenient. I find the argument that Serc is an Emperor and Tiam is one of his lackeys who knows him quite convincing at present, strengthened by Tiam's non-vote on Serc. Tiam has said they haven't done this because people would just say "oh, only doing it to deflect away from their own lynch", but on reflection, so what? Wouldn't most in the same situation vote for the other candidate in order to rack up their vote count? They would, unless there's more going on beneath the surface.
Mockra, on 04 October 2011 - 12:27 AM, said:
I think we can pretty safely assume that Tiam is indeed Xia, because if they turned out not to be, then Serc knows their own lynch would only have been temporarily postponed.
I think we can also pretty safely assume that the vast majority/all the people who've so far voted Serc are - unless they didn't understand the case - of any faction except Lu.
What else? If we end up lynching Tiam and they are, say, the Xia emperor, do we then go and lynch Emur after (if you all remember the old case that Emur as civil official may have been signalling Tiam) in a culture hunt?
I think we can also pretty safely assume that the vast majority/all the people who've so far voted Serc are - unless they didn't understand the case - of any faction except Lu.
What else? If we end up lynching Tiam and they are, say, the Xia emperor, do we then go and lynch Emur after (if you all remember the old case that Emur as civil official may have been signalling Tiam) in a culture hunt?
Check the posting times.
Then ask yourselves whether or not Mockra's posting style and attitude match up to someone who is STILL considering Serc a lynch candidate on grounds of him being the possible Emperor of Lu, and not someone who is trying to bait me for more posting and info, hoping for a slip up. Mockra's not sold on Serc at all, then comes out saying she's considering it, then switches back to me demanding more information, then says that "Serc can still be the Emperor of Lu but I don't know..." , somewhere there between demands a new, solid case out of me (that I'm supposed to pull out of thin air), then distances her self from Serc just to play it safe, and then finally comes back and votes for me, when in reality that's exactly what she would do in the first place, only she was buying time.
And to top that off?
She's setting up lynches.
In a faction game. Hmmmm.....
What might that possibly mean, my fellow Mafia Players?
That the possibility of Serc being Yan's Civil/Military Servant suddenly became a LOT LOT LESS... and the possibility of him being Lu's Prime Minister and Mockra being Lu's Emperor ---- OR ---- the possibility of him being Yan's Prime Minister and Mockra being Yan's Emperor became a LOT LOT MORE. Emperors do happen to know the alt names of their own Prime Ministers.
So, if Serc demands good faith from us, and expect us to believe that he does indeed have finder abilities, then let it be known that Tiamatha is willing to play with his rules.
On the grounds of my latest thoughts, I'd rather vote for Mockra, right now.
I removed my vote only because Serc was standing at L-1, and I want people to tell me what they think about it, before someone pops in and hammers him.
There's still some time for more discussion.
Tell me what you think about it.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:00 AM
I'm back.
that's a mighty fine reveal Serc got there.
I don't see how that makes him less likely to be Gongsun, though, since they are parked right in the Xia's rear.
now, I suppose i'll have to go read that long Tiam post in depth...
that's a mighty fine reveal Serc got there.
I don't see how that makes him less likely to be Gongsun, though, since they are parked right in the Xia's rear.
now, I suppose i'll have to go read that long Tiam post in depth...
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:09 AM
Emurlahn, on 03 October 2011 - 02:09 PM, said:
Thyrllan, on 03 October 2011 - 09:18 AM, said:
Urgh, what a weekend. Sorry I wasn't here to post more
And we're back into the swing of things!
So, Emur and Serc are still looking dodgy from yesterday, and Tiam's getting a bit of attention over their rather intense emperor/Usurper hunting.
I think Tiam has a point about emperor hunting being a good way to halt the Usurper, but I don't think it's all that practical. Aside from the fact there are a number of people who will be seriously unenthusiastic about lynching a member of their own faction, Tiam seems to be putting them-self fairly blatantly into the "I don't have an emperor" camp(s). For me that's just a little too heavy, so I'm certainly suspicious that Tiam making a concerted effort NOT to be seen as an emperor.
And we're back into the swing of things!
So, Emur and Serc are still looking dodgy from yesterday, and Tiam's getting a bit of attention over their rather intense emperor/Usurper hunting.
I think Tiam has a point about emperor hunting being a good way to halt the Usurper, but I don't think it's all that practical. Aside from the fact there are a number of people who will be seriously unenthusiastic about lynching a member of their own faction, Tiam seems to be putting them-self fairly blatantly into the "I don't have an emperor" camp(s). For me that's just a little too heavy, so I'm certainly suspicious that Tiam making a concerted effort NOT to be seen as an emperor.
huh?
what exactly did I do over the weeknd to make me look "dodgy"?
i'm just checking in, gotta go to class soon. will be able to get on in a few h.
Sorry, I meant day 1.
You bumbled through day 1 and it got you out of a lynch. I just think that's worthy of taking note of. But given what else is going on at the moment, you're not figuring much.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:09 AM
Hmm, let's not be too hasty about a hammer. There's still a good 7 hours to go. It's a bit odd to be hammering Serc with so much time left to go, especially given that Serc has provided us with some interesting information about Tiam that Tiam hasn't responded to yet. Given that Serc's information is provable via CF I'm leaning strongly towards Tiam, which is another reason I'm not keen for this lynch to go through right now.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:12 AM
Thyrllan, on 04 October 2011 - 04:09 AM, said:
Hmm, let's not be too hasty about a hammer. There's still a good 7 hours to go. It's a bit odd to be hammering Serc with so much time left to go, especially given that Serc has provided us with some interesting information about Tiam that Tiam hasn't responded to yet. Given that Serc's information is provable via CF I'm leaning strongly towards Tiam, which is another reason I'm not keen for this lynch to go through right now.
Are you reading the thread?
I responded.
I went so far as to remove my vote so I don't leave him hanging on L-1.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:16 AM
Tiamatha, on 04 October 2011 - 04:12 AM, said:
Thyrllan, on 04 October 2011 - 04:09 AM, said:
Hmm, let's not be too hasty about a hammer. There's still a good 7 hours to go. It's a bit odd to be hammering Serc with so much time left to go, especially given that Serc has provided us with some interesting information about Tiam that Tiam hasn't responded to yet. Given that Serc's information is provable via CF I'm leaning strongly towards Tiam, which is another reason I'm not keen for this lynch to go through right now.
Are you reading the thread?
I responded.
I went so far as to remove my vote so I don't leave him hanging on L-1.
which is in itself a gutsy move in a "you or me" situation.
I guess i'll have to take another look at the tiles map now...
ofc, if Serc is in fact a Prime minister, that makes him a fairly good target as well.
and, if he's a Lu prime minster, well, then we can try to see what prompted Gamelon to symp him.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:29 AM
Emurlahn, on 04 October 2011 - 04:16 AM, said:
Tiamatha, on 04 October 2011 - 04:12 AM, said:
Thyrllan, on 04 October 2011 - 04:09 AM, said:
Hmm, let's not be too hasty about a hammer. There's still a good 7 hours to go. It's a bit odd to be hammering Serc with so much time left to go, especially given that Serc has provided us with some interesting information about Tiam that Tiam hasn't responded to yet. Given that Serc's information is provable via CF I'm leaning strongly towards Tiam, which is another reason I'm not keen for this lynch to go through right now.
Are you reading the thread?
I responded.
I went so far as to remove my vote so I don't leave him hanging on L-1.
which is in itself a gutsy move in a "you or me" situation.
People claimed I didn't stick to my guns about my Day 1 speculations and theory, and should have done so in the first place.
It's already 7:26 am
There's little point in me going to bed right now.
I was supposed to be up by 7am to get some breakfast going, then get on with stretches and personal light physical training due to the leg injury - and I have to be present at the basketball practice this afternoon.
So, get on with posting your thoughts.
The least you can do is entertain me while I do presses and sit-ups
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:48 AM
Well, it is very late here so I am going to bed. Be back in 5-7 hours. Good night all.
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:48 AM
It is 226 AD. 6 hours and 6 minutes remaining
24 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha
13 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.
7 Votes for Tiamatha ( Ruse, Karosis, Osseric, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Mockra )
11 Votes for Serc ( Sorritt, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Meanas, Okaros, Emurlahn, Tennes, Telas, Barghast, Atrahal, Korlat )
Players not voted: Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Thyrllan, Tiamatha
24 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha
13 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.
7 Votes for Tiamatha ( Ruse, Karosis, Osseric, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Mockra )
11 Votes for Serc ( Sorritt, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Meanas, Okaros, Emurlahn, Tennes, Telas, Barghast, Atrahal, Korlat )
Players not voted: Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Thyrllan, Tiamatha
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Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:17 AM
well, Tia, it's a shame I gotta head to bed soon.
fwiw, i'm of the opinion that finders are not a good thing in a faction game. simply because all sides are equally vulnerable to them. they become a variable that cannot really be accounted for.
as such, I still wouldn't mind a Serc vote. the fact that he's a possible PM is just icing on the cake.
fwiw, i'm of the opinion that finders are not a good thing in a faction game. simply because all sides are equally vulnerable to them. they become a variable that cannot really be accounted for.
as such, I still wouldn't mind a Serc vote. the fact that he's a possible PM is just icing on the cake.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:19 AM
I'm a b1tch in heat!
Err, I mean a girl in heat...
Scratch that, I mean a noble, fine looking lady under pressure...
I demand attention. Entertain me!
So, what are your thoughts people?
What ever you say, naughty boy.
Only less than 20 minutes later, I posted exactly what I think about it.
Who's MIA now, Serc? Huh?
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Thryllan? It's been a while since you said you're gonna read that <long post by a fine-looking ass> or was it a <post by a long legged fine-looking ass> ,,, or something along those lines....
Thoughts?
Err, I mean a girl in heat...
Scratch that, I mean a noble, fine looking lady under pressure...
I demand attention. Entertain me!
So, what are your thoughts people?
Serc, on 04 October 2011 - 03:30 AM, said:
It's interesting that Tiam has disappeared ever since I called him out on his name. I suppose he has nothing to gain by defending himself.
What ever you say, naughty boy.
Only less than 20 minutes later, I posted exactly what I think about it.
Who's MIA now, Serc? Huh?
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Thryllan? It's been a while since you said you're gonna read that <long post by a fine-looking ass> or was it a <post by a long legged fine-looking ass> ,,, or something along those lines....
Thoughts?
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:24 AM
So much reading to catch up.
The Serc reveal really shook up my resolve. I was questioning my vote, but I have to admit that this post makes me hesitate to remove it. the post does bring to light quite a bit of questionable posts by Mockra; I'd like to hear from both he and Serc if possible before signing out for the night.
I have to comment on the reveal. The reveal, if true, has shown us that at the very least Tiam is not an emperor. Serc, on the other hand, has displayed a finder ability, something that could prove detrimental if he/she is not in my faction and his find helps take out my emperor. I would really rather a Serc lynch in hopes of seeing what info it can bring forth, despite this new case on Mockra. It is even possible the info we get from Serc lynch might add something to the Mockra case. A switch at this point, with two big trains and a new alternative, and this late in the day... well I don't know it seems we run the risk of getting caught off guard with a no lynch if there are not enough people online willing to switch.
I'll keep my vote where it is for now, but I'll be online for an hour or so to sift through some of the thread again and discuss.
Edit: switched the words "take out" for "find".
edit my edit: added the word find to clarify. It's too late and far too dark to type properly.
Tiamatha, on 04 October 2011 - 03:51 AM, said:
LONG POST IS INCOMING. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. PROCEED WITH CAUTION.
Le sigh....
Serc, you realize that out of all the votes on your current train, mine has been the only one not based on the assumption that you are the Lu Emperor.
These are my thoughts on what your reveal claims to be.
You claim to be :
Either the Prime Minister of Lu, currently standing in Han Zhong or Chang An
Or the Prime Minister of Yan, currently standing in Jiang Xia or Hei Fei
Or the Civil Official / Military Officer of Yan (It's the same thing, people, according to the rules you get to switch between each of the role types if you stand on the same tile with your Emperor), currently standing in Jiang Xia or Hei Fei.
You can try to mask your faction all you want, but I seriously doubt that the Warlord(s) Faction have Finders. They start at the edge of the map, so a Find ability will be useless for them, they already know the possible faction a successful Find will yield. Afaik about the Special NA(s) I don't know anything about, or about the three other supposed roles.
I accused you of withholding information from the rest of us, because that is exactly what you were doing. You even threw up smokescreens in your reveal about being Xia Faction.
And now, you're setting me up, on a case that I can't actually defend against, because it's a "my word vs your word" kind of thing, that only a CF will resolve.
You're throwing my name out there, hoping that people will jump on me based on the possibility of me being a 'bigger fish in the pond' than you are.
You prey on the fact that Lu Faction members won't vote for you and risk losing their Prime Minister, and Yan Faction members won't vote for you and risk losing their Prime Minister / Civil-Military Officer.
So, you're building up something, on grounds that only a CF will resolve, based on the fact that the already 'hurt' faction will follow suit, and the other faction will think it over and switch.
And that's all structured on the hopes that people will show good faith and 'test' your claim. Hoping for what, exactly? That based on what you say, I am Xia Faction, with a possible chance of actually being the Emperor. Again, something that only a CF will clear out.
For someone so aggravated about his own case being built on something you can't actually defend against, you sure are eager to play the same card on me.
Pot, meet Kettle.
For the very last time :::
I am not the Usurper. I am not a Warlord. I am not an Emperor.
Although this claim will certainly fall on some deaf ears, I'm inclined to say it again.
I had other targets in mind, so to speak.
Truth?
Before this I was thinking he was potentially trying to deflect the vote from serc and therefore possibly of that faction but that vote change with time still left and an apparent abandoning of his supposed plan to pressure tiam made me pause a little, I was thinking emperor but i suppose warlord would also make a lot of sense, he certainly doesn't seem too concerned either way despite the earlier push for you and waiting to see how things develop in accordance to this, I thought his timing was strange.
To be fair, he could also be the Civil/Military Official of Xia or Yan (since Gamelon was the Lu Faction) --- since he knows the alt name of his Emperor already, and it's not one of the current ones under pressure.
Or Champion, I could just as well be a Warlord's underling.
People don't even bother reading posts thoroughly nowadays.
Like Rashan, branding my <Tea Ceremony> and <Flower Arrangement> comment as signaling, when that comment was made way back when, when I was joking around early on about which female avatar looks hottest. These two named practices are what females of supposed noble upbringing in Japan, are trained into, as part of their education for their roles later on in life. I think <Calligraphy> is another one, as well, should have mentioned that too. So, perhaps it's not common in China as well, perhaps it is. I don't know, I'm no expert in Eastern Culture, nor do I claim to be. But talk about people looking for needles in a haystack...
You want more of my thoughts on what's going on?
Alright... Let's play ball...
Scared that Serc was hammered? Awwww....
Here's another roll of the dice, "dear"...
This sums up pretty much the entire case against me. I have to say, it's pretty unbelievable. Not only has there not been a SINGLE question directed my way or any sort of request for me to "defend" myself, but there is no case against me, because there can't be. That's because nothing I've said can even remotely be used to support the theory that I'm Gamelon's Emperor. For this, Mafia friends, I am sorely disappointed in you all. I realize everyone wants a lynch and it's easy to pick the closest target, but holy fuck if this isn't some of the laziest play of all time. Anyone who actually thinks I'm Gamelon's Emperor should /gquit now and save themselves some shame when you get my CF.
^------ That...
Coupled with these :::
Check the posting times.
Then ask yourselves whether or not Mockra's posting style and attitude match up to someone who is STILL considering Serc a lynch candidate on grounds of him being the possible Emperor of Lu, and not someone who is trying to bait me for more posting and info, hoping for a slip up. Mockra's not sold on Serc at all, then comes out saying she's considering it, then switches back to me demanding more information, then says that "Serc can still be the Emperor of Lu but I don't know..." , somewhere there between demands a new, solid case out of me (that I'm supposed to pull out of thin air), then distances her self from Serc just to play it safe, and then finally comes back and votes for me, when in reality that's exactly what she would do in the first place, only she was buying time.
And to top that off?
She's setting up lynches.
In a faction game. Hmmmm.....
What might that possibly mean, my fellow Mafia Players?
That the possibility of Serc being Yan's Civil/Military Servant suddenly became a LOT LOT LESS... and the possibility of him being Lu's Prime Minister and Mockra being Lu's Emperor ---- OR ---- the possibility of him being Yan's Prime Minister and Mockra being Yan's Emperor became a LOT LOT MORE. Emperors do happen to know the alt names of their own Prime Ministers.
So, if Serc demands good faith from us, and expect us to believe that he does indeed have finder abilities, then let it be known that Tiamatha is willing to play with his rules.
On the grounds of my latest thoughts, I'd rather vote for Mockra, right now.
I removed my vote only because Serc was standing at L-1, and I want people to tell me what they think about it, before someone pops in and hammers him.
There's still some time for more discussion.
Tell me what you think about it.
Le sigh....
Serc, you realize that out of all the votes on your current train, mine has been the only one not based on the assumption that you are the Lu Emperor.
These are my thoughts on what your reveal claims to be.
You claim to be :
Either the Prime Minister of Lu, currently standing in Han Zhong or Chang An
Or the Prime Minister of Yan, currently standing in Jiang Xia or Hei Fei
Or the Civil Official / Military Officer of Yan (It's the same thing, people, according to the rules you get to switch between each of the role types if you stand on the same tile with your Emperor), currently standing in Jiang Xia or Hei Fei.
You can try to mask your faction all you want, but I seriously doubt that the Warlord(s) Faction have Finders. They start at the edge of the map, so a Find ability will be useless for them, they already know the possible faction a successful Find will yield. Afaik about the Special NA(s) I don't know anything about, or about the three other supposed roles.
I accused you of withholding information from the rest of us, because that is exactly what you were doing. You even threw up smokescreens in your reveal about being Xia Faction.
And now, you're setting me up, on a case that I can't actually defend against, because it's a "my word vs your word" kind of thing, that only a CF will resolve.
You're throwing my name out there, hoping that people will jump on me based on the possibility of me being a 'bigger fish in the pond' than you are.
You prey on the fact that Lu Faction members won't vote for you and risk losing their Prime Minister, and Yan Faction members won't vote for you and risk losing their Prime Minister / Civil-Military Officer.
So, you're building up something, on grounds that only a CF will resolve, based on the fact that the already 'hurt' faction will follow suit, and the other faction will think it over and switch.
And that's all structured on the hopes that people will show good faith and 'test' your claim. Hoping for what, exactly? That based on what you say, I am Xia Faction, with a possible chance of actually being the Emperor. Again, something that only a CF will clear out.
For someone so aggravated about his own case being built on something you can't actually defend against, you sure are eager to play the same card on me.
Pot, meet Kettle.
For the very last time :::
I am not the Usurper. I am not a Warlord. I am not an Emperor.
Although this claim will certainly fall on some deaf ears, I'm inclined to say it again.
I had other targets in mind, so to speak.
Truth?
Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 09:37 PM, said:
Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 08:31 PM, said:
Korlat, on 03 October 2011 - 08:24 PM, said:
Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:
Speaking of thoughts then - Here's a curve ball.
Serc is being voted on grounds of being Gamelon's Emperor.
I am being voted on grounds of having a power role, and most people being convinced that I'm an Empress (Emperor).
Barghast initially voted for me, then switches to Serc - showing clear sign of having no issue between the two of us. So out of all the people who are saying that they wouldn't mind voting for me or Serc on the grounds of either of us being an Emperor - Barghast goes on and shows clearly he doesn't care which one of us actually gets lynched, and acts on it.
So Barghasts behavior can be explained as him being a Warlord -OR- Champion... OR surprise surprise, an Emperor himself.
Serc is being voted on grounds of being Gamelon's Emperor.
I am being voted on grounds of having a power role, and most people being convinced that I'm an Empress (Emperor).
Barghast initially voted for me, then switches to Serc - showing clear sign of having no issue between the two of us. So out of all the people who are saying that they wouldn't mind voting for me or Serc on the grounds of either of us being an Emperor - Barghast goes on and shows clearly he doesn't care which one of us actually gets lynched, and acts on it.
So Barghasts behavior can be explained as him being a Warlord -OR- Champion... OR surprise surprise, an Emperor himself.
Before this I was thinking he was potentially trying to deflect the vote from serc and therefore possibly of that faction but that vote change with time still left and an apparent abandoning of his supposed plan to pressure tiam made me pause a little, I was thinking emperor but i suppose warlord would also make a lot of sense, he certainly doesn't seem too concerned either way despite the earlier push for you and waiting to see how things develop in accordance to this, I thought his timing was strange.
To be fair, he could also be the Civil/Military Official of Xia or Yan (since Gamelon was the Lu Faction) --- since he knows the alt name of his Emperor already, and it's not one of the current ones under pressure.
Or Champion, I could just as well be a Warlord's underling.
People don't even bother reading posts thoroughly nowadays.
Like Rashan, branding my <Tea Ceremony> and <Flower Arrangement> comment as signaling, when that comment was made way back when, when I was joking around early on about which female avatar looks hottest. These two named practices are what females of supposed noble upbringing in Japan, are trained into, as part of their education for their roles later on in life. I think <Calligraphy> is another one, as well, should have mentioned that too. So, perhaps it's not common in China as well, perhaps it is. I don't know, I'm no expert in Eastern Culture, nor do I claim to be. But talk about people looking for needles in a haystack...
You want more of my thoughts on what's going on?
Alright... Let's play ball...
Mockra, on 04 October 2011 - 12:34 AM, said:
Ok, after that little scare....So Tiam, what's your next throw of the dice going to be?
Scared that Serc was hammered? Awwww....
Here's another roll of the dice, "dear"...
Serc, on 03 October 2011 - 09:27 PM, said:
Mockra, on 01 October 2011 - 11:36 PM, said:
Right, let's get this thread going again!
Erm.....hmmm.
Well, my opinion is that Serc seems the likeliest target once voting resumes. The kind of argument that is being fielded against him - signalled and then distanced from by another player - is little he can do to defend himself against, as the actions weren't his that landed him in this. As I see it, all Serc can do is find another, even more viable, lynch candidate.
As for Tiamatha....I'm less convinced of that option right now, as Tiam has now been accused of being a Warlord, an Emperor, and the Usurper, all by basically the same argument But it's someone to bear in mind anyway.
Erm.....hmmm.
Well, my opinion is that Serc seems the likeliest target once voting resumes. The kind of argument that is being fielded against him - signalled and then distanced from by another player - is little he can do to defend himself against, as the actions weren't his that landed him in this. As I see it, all Serc can do is find another, even more viable, lynch candidate.
As for Tiamatha....I'm less convinced of that option right now, as Tiam has now been accused of being a Warlord, an Emperor, and the Usurper, all by basically the same argument
But it's someone to bear in mind anyway.This sums up pretty much the entire case against me. I have to say, it's pretty unbelievable. Not only has there not been a SINGLE question directed my way or any sort of request for me to "defend" myself, but there is no case against me, because there can't be. That's because nothing I've said can even remotely be used to support the theory that I'm Gamelon's Emperor. For this, Mafia friends, I am sorely disappointed in you all. I realize everyone wants a lynch and it's easy to pick the closest target, but holy fuck if this isn't some of the laziest play of all time. Anyone who actually thinks I'm Gamelon's Emperor should /gquit now and save themselves some shame when you get my CF.
^------ That...
Coupled with these :::
Mockra, on 03 October 2011 - 07:21 PM, said:
Osseric makes a very good point above. It seems Tiamatha's been so busy getting angry at the votes on herself that she's forgotten to point out whom she suspects, if anyone. So, Tiam, what do you think of the Serc case? And if you're not fond of that, what are your suspicions? You've already stated how much quicker than the rest of us fools you picked up on Gamelon, so you must have something.
Mockra, on 03 October 2011 - 07:32 PM, said:
If you feel you're in a lose-lose situation by voting for Serc, Tiam, then why don't you suggest someone else who struck the alarm bells? You've done a lot of strategy speculation, but you haven't come up with any viable targets. The three that have been thrown out - yourself, Serc, and Emurlahn earlier, appear not to be to your taste.
Mockra, on 03 October 2011 - 07:33 PM, said:
Tiam, I'm only pushing you for your opinion because I myself am undecided yet about whether to vote Serc or well, you. But I want to see if something else can be thrown out there.
Mockra, on 03 October 2011 - 11:38 PM, said:
And here I was all set to just believe Serc's find...but luckily smarter players than I are on the ball and have suggested various other possible intentions. As has been said, investigating Tiam seems mighty convenient. I find the argument that Serc is an Emperor and Tiam is one of his lackeys who knows him quite convincing at present, strengthened by Tiam's non-vote on Serc. Tiam has said they haven't done this because people would just say "oh, only doing it to deflect away from their own lynch", but on reflection, so what? Wouldn't most in the same situation vote for the other candidate in order to rack up their vote count? They would, unless there's more going on beneath the surface.
Mockra, on 04 October 2011 - 12:27 AM, said:
I think we can pretty safely assume that Tiam is indeed Xia, because if they turned out not to be, then Serc knows their own lynch would only have been temporarily postponed.
I think we can also pretty safely assume that the vast majority/all the people who've so far voted Serc are - unless they didn't understand the case - of any faction except Lu.
What else? If we end up lynching Tiam and they are, say, the Xia emperor, do we then go and lynch Emur after (if you all remember the old case that Emur as civil official may have been signalling Tiam) in a culture hunt?
I think we can also pretty safely assume that the vast majority/all the people who've so far voted Serc are - unless they didn't understand the case - of any faction except Lu.
What else? If we end up lynching Tiam and they are, say, the Xia emperor, do we then go and lynch Emur after (if you all remember the old case that Emur as civil official may have been signalling Tiam) in a culture hunt?
Check the posting times.
Then ask yourselves whether or not Mockra's posting style and attitude match up to someone who is STILL considering Serc a lynch candidate on grounds of him being the possible Emperor of Lu, and not someone who is trying to bait me for more posting and info, hoping for a slip up. Mockra's not sold on Serc at all, then comes out saying she's considering it, then switches back to me demanding more information, then says that "Serc can still be the Emperor of Lu but I don't know..." , somewhere there between demands a new, solid case out of me (that I'm supposed to pull out of thin air), then distances her self from Serc just to play it safe, and then finally comes back and votes for me, when in reality that's exactly what she would do in the first place, only she was buying time.
And to top that off?
She's setting up lynches.
In a faction game. Hmmmm.....
What might that possibly mean, my fellow Mafia Players?
That the possibility of Serc being Yan's Civil/Military Servant suddenly became a LOT LOT LESS... and the possibility of him being Lu's Prime Minister and Mockra being Lu's Emperor ---- OR ---- the possibility of him being Yan's Prime Minister and Mockra being Yan's Emperor became a LOT LOT MORE. Emperors do happen to know the alt names of their own Prime Ministers.
So, if Serc demands good faith from us, and expect us to believe that he does indeed have finder abilities, then let it be known that Tiamatha is willing to play with his rules.
On the grounds of my latest thoughts, I'd rather vote for Mockra, right now.
I removed my vote only because Serc was standing at L-1, and I want people to tell me what they think about it, before someone pops in and hammers him.
There's still some time for more discussion.
Tell me what you think about it.
The Serc reveal really shook up my resolve. I was questioning my vote, but I have to admit that this post makes me hesitate to remove it. the post does bring to light quite a bit of questionable posts by Mockra; I'd like to hear from both he and Serc if possible before signing out for the night.
I have to comment on the reveal. The reveal, if true, has shown us that at the very least Tiam is not an emperor. Serc, on the other hand, has displayed a finder ability, something that could prove detrimental if he/she is not in my faction and his find helps take out my emperor. I would really rather a Serc lynch in hopes of seeing what info it can bring forth, despite this new case on Mockra. It is even possible the info we get from Serc lynch might add something to the Mockra case. A switch at this point, with two big trains and a new alternative, and this late in the day... well I don't know it seems we run the risk of getting caught off guard with a no lynch if there are not enough people online willing to switch.
I'll keep my vote where it is for now, but I'll be online for an hour or so to sift through some of the thread again and discuss.
Edit: switched the words "take out" for "find".
edit my edit: added the word find to clarify. It's too late and far too dark to type properly.
This post has been edited by Okaros: 04 October 2011 - 05:28 AM
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:35 AM
I have to think about that reveal. I'm not sure what would be the point of a fake reveal, specially considering that Tiam doesn't seem to contradict him (I might be wrong, I read the last pages quick, I'll go back to read them again)
But just one thing: when Serc put out his reveal to prove he was not an Emperor, I don't think he actually did. Because of the find, people assume now he's the Prime Minister of Lu, but then how would Gamelon know to symp him on page 1? But look at the Prime Minister role from the OP:
Prime Minister
Each middle kingdom also has a Prime Minister. Prime Ministers can use the standard heal, guard and find night actions, as well as special abilities that can assist other players in their dynasty and provide their Emperor with extra information.
edit: removed some strange html tag from copy/pasting
But just one thing: when Serc put out his reveal to prove he was not an Emperor, I don't think he actually did. Because of the find, people assume now he's the Prime Minister of Lu, but then how would Gamelon know to symp him on page 1? But look at the Prime Minister role from the OP:
Prime Minister
Each middle kingdom also has a Prime Minister. Prime Ministers can use the standard heal, guard and find night actions, as well as special abilities that can assist other players in their dynasty and provide their Emperor with extra information.
edit: removed some strange html tag from copy/pasting
This post has been edited by Osseric: 04 October 2011 - 05:36 AM
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:46 AM
Osseric, on 04 October 2011 - 05:35 AM, said:
I have to think about that reveal. I'm not sure what would be the point of a fake reveal, specially considering that Tiam doesn't seem to contradict him (I might be wrong, I read the last pages quick, I'll go back to read them again)
But just one thing: when Serc put out his reveal to prove he was not an Emperor, I don't think he actually did. Because of the find, people assume now he's the Prime Minister of Lu, but then how would Gamelon know to symp him on page 1? But look at the Prime Minister role from the OP:
Prime Minister
Each middle kingdom also has a Prime Minister. Prime Ministers can use the standard heal, guard and find night actions, as well as special abilities that can assist other players in their dynasty and provide their Emperor with extra information.
edit: removed some strange html tag from copy/pasting
But just one thing: when Serc put out his reveal to prove he was not an Emperor, I don't think he actually did. Because of the find, people assume now he's the Prime Minister of Lu, but then how would Gamelon know to symp him on page 1? But look at the Prime Minister role from the OP:
Prime Minister
Each middle kingdom also has a Prime Minister. Prime Ministers can use the standard heal, guard and find night actions, as well as special abilities that can assist other players in their dynasty and provide their Emperor with extra information.
edit: removed some strange html tag from copy/pasting
Not quite sure what you're saying here. Are you suggesting that the "extra information" bit implies that an emperor would have a find ability as well? Or that a PM can communicate off thread with an emperor?
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:47 AM
I'm around, and got sufficient amount of caffeine flowing currently through my veins, to keep a grown male elephant awake.
So I will add my vote again if need be, if we're running dangerously close to having a no lynch day.
But at the very least, people will not accuse me of not allowing others to stand up for themselves and explain better plus I want to hear what others think about it.
So I will add my vote again if need be, if we're running dangerously close to having a no lynch day.
But at the very least, people will not accuse me of not allowing others to stand up for themselves and explain better plus I want to hear what others think about it.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 06:20 AM
argh
damnmit, why did I sign up for the GoG newsletter?
it let me know that Empire Earth was on sale. and I bought it.
and now i'm hooked (once again) on the enormous amount of custom campaigns and scenarios that were designed for it.
gerr-arg.
anyhow, i'm still here, though I should have been asleep long ago.
and I echo Okaros' sentiments--finders are dangerous.
damnmit, why did I sign up for the GoG newsletter?
it let me know that Empire Earth was on sale. and I bought it.
and now i'm hooked (once again) on the enormous amount of custom campaigns and scenarios that were designed for it.
gerr-arg.
anyhow, i'm still here, though I should have been asleep long ago.
and I echo Okaros' sentiments--finders are dangerous.
