[Hood's Path]

Tennes, on 13 October 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

I'm Here. Looks like the Omtose Lynch fell in our laps. Gonna run to a meeting, and then be back to comment properly. I do think Karosis is a good lynch. I don't think HP should be as confident as he is based on NA's. A lot of shit happens at night. I have been burned in countless mafia games thinking I knew what went on behind the scenes, only to read SH and face palm. I thought Karosis was a barbarian yesterday ( or some type of leader. ) and I still do today. What is pinging my radar is HP seeming so desperate to start the day before any votes have been placed. (other than his, and the expected omgus from karosis.) Actually, I probably would have gone straight for a Karosis vote, but something about HP seems off. Maybe just very confident in his case. Though how you can be that confident from a guard/non guard is beyond me.

Anyway, i'll be back on in 2-3 hrs to look things over.

Okay you are right. I shouldn't be so confident without more proof but this just seems right. Enough evidence is on the table that Karosis is someone major. If not then I just made a complete fool of myself.

[Hood's Path]

Silanah, on 13 October 2011 - 03:56 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:04 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 02:53 PM, said:

wait...so you are saying i moved locations?

sorry pal...im still in the same location.

No.

If you turn out to be a barbarian you some how moved into a location that you couldn't possibly be in without having a special movement ability.

hahaha...you are so full of shit man.

You seem desperate.

hey would someone do the illumination in my area again please!! ....we can test and see very easily if i have moved since yesterday or not.

You are putting words in my mouth. I'm saying how the hell could you be where you are in the first place? It's assumed that all Barbarians start at the exteme edges of the map. How do you move out of that location?

Catching up.

I don't think you understand movement rules. You can move into a tile occupied by an enemy IF no enemies are in your present location.

What? It thought you couldn't move onto a tile if there were enemy players in it and no allied members there. I thought if a tile is unoccupied you could move there regardless of who is in your current location.

[Atrahal]

Silanah, on 13 October 2011 - 03:57 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

I havent moved..daaamn..still int he same place.

Dont know what the fuck HP has been smoking.


He was probably gaurded and doesnt understand how that works

If I was guarded then how could I perform a block?

huh?

Gottcha on that one.

no...i just dont understand.

You say "nothing happened", then you claim "you performed a block"?
so wich is it?

Both.

I was given notice that I blocked an action, so my action was done on a successful target and I wasn't guarded. Yet my action didn't succeed. If we are in the same location, which you are claiming that you haven't moved since yesterday, then you couldn't have blocked my action. I received no resolution from my action. Explain that?

There is an explanation for this. Blocking is just the NA block. Blocking includes how NAs cancel eachother out, I would assume.

I'm thinking this is the case too.

[Karosis]

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

I havent moved..daaamn..still int he same place.

Dont know what the fuck HP has been smoking.


He was probably gaurded and doesnt understand how that works

If I was guarded then how could I perform a block?

huh?

Gottcha on that one.

no...i just dont understand.

You say "nothing happened", then you claim "you performed a block"?
so wich is it?

Both.

I was given notice that I blocked an action, so my action was done on a successful target and I wasn't guarded. Yet my action didn't succeed. If we are in the same location, which you are claiming that you haven't moved since yesterday, then you couldn't have blocked my action. I received no resolution from my action. Explain that?

my word you are naive... how do you know i couldnt have blocked your action?

Only way would be that you think that I have the same role as you, since you claim to know what i can and cant block.

you think i am a barbarian.......busted!!!

[Karosis]

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 04:05 PM, said:

Silanah, on 13 October 2011 - 03:56 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:04 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 02:53 PM, said:

wait...so you are saying i moved locations?

sorry pal...im still in the same location.

No.

If you turn out to be a barbarian you some how moved into a location that you couldn't possibly be in without having a special movement ability.

hahaha...you are so full of shit man.

You seem desperate.

hey would someone do the illumination in my area again please!! ....we can test and see very easily if i have moved since yesterday or not.

You are putting words in my mouth. I'm saying how the hell could you be where you are in the first place? It's assumed that all Barbarians start at the exteme edges of the map. How do you move out of that location?

Catching up.

I don't think you understand movement rules. You can move into a tile occupied by an enemy IF no enemies are in your present location.

What? It thought you couldn't move onto a tile if there were enemy players in it and no allied members there. I thought if a tile is unoccupied you could move there regardless of who is in your current location.

read the rules again, kid

[Hood's Path]

Well damn. I ignored this post by Sheltatha Lore because I thought I understood movement. I have been making assumptions bases on faulty information

Move - If there are no enemy players in your location, you may move to any adjacent location. If there is one or more enemy players in your location, you may move to any adjacent location at which there is another player from your faction. You will be told if it fails or succeeds. If the move fails, you may not try again on the same day.

Looks like anyone can move to any location regardless of who is in it initally. As long as there are no enemy players in your initial location. The only way to get out is if you have someone in another location.

That just screws up a lot of conclusions that I've been making.

[Atrahal]

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

I havent moved..daaamn..still int he same place.

Dont know what the fuck HP has been smoking.


He was probably gaurded and doesnt understand how that works

If I was guarded then how could I perform a block?

huh?

Gottcha on that one.

no...i just dont understand.

You say "nothing happened", then you claim "you performed a block"?
so wich is it?

Both.

I was given notice that I blocked an action, so my action was done on a successful target and I wasn't guarded. Yet my action didn't succeed. If we are in the same location, which you are claiming that you haven't moved since yesterday, then you couldn't have blocked my action. I received no resolution from my action. Explain that?

? how many actions a nite do you get ?

[Karosis]

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:

Tennes, on 13 October 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

I'm Here. Looks like the Omtose Lynch fell in our laps. Gonna run to a meeting, and then be back to comment properly. I do think Karosis is a good lynch. I don't think HP should be as confident as he is based on NA's. A lot of shit happens at night. I have been burned in countless mafia games thinking I knew what went on behind the scenes, only to read SH and face palm. I thought Karosis was a barbarian yesterday ( or some type of leader. ) and I still do today. What is pinging my radar is HP seeming so desperate to start the day before any votes have been placed. (other than his, and the expected omgus from karosis.) Actually, I probably would have gone straight for a Karosis vote, but something about HP seems off. Maybe just very confident in his case. Though how you can be that confident from a guard/non guard is beyond me.

Anyway, i'll be back on in 2-3 hrs to look things over.

Okay you are right. I shouldn't be so confident without more proof but this just seems right. Enough evidence is on the table that Karosis is someone major. If not then I just made a complete fool of myself.

where is this evidence then?


people keep saying it but they back it up with sweet fuckall

[Hood's Path]

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 04:10 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

I havent moved..daaamn..still int he same place.

Dont know what the fuck HP has been smoking.


He was probably gaurded and doesnt understand how that works

If I was guarded then how could I perform a block?

huh?

Gottcha on that one.

no...i just dont understand.

You say "nothing happened", then you claim "you performed a block"?
so wich is it?

Both.

I was given notice that I blocked an action, so my action was done on a successful target and I wasn't guarded. Yet my action didn't succeed. If we are in the same location, which you are claiming that you haven't moved since yesterday, then you couldn't have blocked my action. I received no resolution from my action. Explain that?

my word you are naive... how do you know i couldnt have blocked your action?

Only way would be that you think that I have the same role as you, since you claim to know what i can and cant block.

you think i am a barbarian.......busted!!!

Because I wasn't told I was blocked. And you don't have to be the one to do that action for someone to block for you and if you are in same location you can't be blocked. You also don't need to have the same role just the same action for a block to take place.

Busted!!!!

[Hood's Path]

Atrahal, on 13 October 2011 - 04:13 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

I havent moved..daaamn..still int he same place.

Dont know what the fuck HP has been smoking.


He was probably gaurded and doesnt understand how that works

If I was guarded then how could I perform a block?

huh?

Gottcha on that one.

no...i just dont understand.

You say "nothing happened", then you claim "you performed a block"?
so wich is it?

Both.

I was given notice that I blocked an action, so my action was done on a successful target and I wasn't guarded. Yet my action didn't succeed. If we are in the same location, which you are claiming that you haven't moved since yesterday, then you couldn't have blocked my action. I received no resolution from my action. Explain that?

? how many actions a nite do you get ?

If you have ever been blocked or blocked someone else you would know how this works.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 04:10 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

I havent moved..daaamn..still int he same place.

Dont know what the fuck HP has been smoking.


He was probably gaurded and doesnt understand how that works

If I was guarded then how could I perform a block?

huh?

Gottcha on that one.

no...i just dont understand.

You say "nothing happened", then you claim "you performed a block"?
so wich is it?

Both.

I was given notice that I blocked an action, so my action was done on a successful target and I wasn't guarded. Yet my action didn't succeed. If we are in the same location, which you are claiming that you haven't moved since yesterday, then you couldn't have blocked my action. I received no resolution from my action. Explain that?

my word you are naive... how do you know i couldnt have blocked your action?

Only way would be that you think that I have the same role as you, since you claim to know what i can and cant block.

you think i am a barbarian.......busted!!!

This seems a lot like you are admitting you are a barb and want to take HP with you.

[Karosis]

Sheltatha Lore, on 13 October 2011 - 04:18 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 04:10 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

I havent moved..daaamn..still int he same place.

Dont know what the fuck HP has been smoking.


He was probably gaurded and doesnt understand how that works

If I was guarded then how could I perform a block?

huh?

Gottcha on that one.

no...i just dont understand.

You say "nothing happened", then you claim "you performed a block"?
so wich is it?

Both.

I was given notice that I blocked an action, so my action was done on a successful target and I wasn't guarded. Yet my action didn't succeed. If we are in the same location, which you are claiming that you haven't moved since yesterday, then you couldn't have blocked my action. I received no resolution from my action. Explain that?

my word you are naive... how do you know i couldnt have blocked your action?

Only way would be that you think that I have the same role as you, since you claim to know what i can and cant block.

you think i am a barbarian.......busted!!!

This seems a lot like you are admitting you are a barb and want to take HP with you.

no i am using simple logic.

I am saying that if HP truly THINKS i am a Barbar.
and he seems to THINK that he knows i cant block his action somehow.
That would mean that he probably thinks I have the same role as what he ACTUALLY has.


ie. a barbar.

how else could he claim that there is no way his action wont work? Why would he show his shock at his action not working?
He would have to THINK he knows what role i have and how it works. Only way would be if he was one himself.


And then he is all shocked that it doesnt work...because surprise surprise i am not a barbar.
I am not what he THINKS i am....as much as he would like it to be,

for me...he has outed himself indirectly.

[Sheltatha Lore]

@Karosis - OK, i see your thoughts on that

However, I think we are playing drinking games with WIFOM, so I will withdraw from this line of questioning.

[Karosis]

I think that omtose simply "concluded" (incorrectly) that i was a barbar yesterday using similar thought processes as what HP has been doing now...with incorrect interpretation of the rules and coming to these "conclusions" and then when he was at l-1 came up with a fake find reveal to try and get me lynched instead of him in the blind hope that i was indeed a barbar.

I am failrly certain that is what went down...since i know who i am... but its you bloodthirsty lot that needs convincing , and its almost impossible to do once an "idea" latches on in this game where people are more worried about self preservation.

[Hood's Path]

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 04:28 PM, said:

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no i am using simple logic.

I am saying that if HP truly THINKS i am a Barbar.
and he seems to THINK that he knows i cant block his action somehow.
That would mean that he probably thinks I have the same role as what he ACTUALLY has.

I don't think. I know. Per the rules an action done within a location can't be blocked. Read up on blocking and you will know this to be the case.

[Silanah]

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 04:05 PM, said:

Silanah, on 13 October 2011 - 03:56 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 03:04 PM, said:

Hood, on 13 October 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 October 2011 - 02:53 PM, said:

wait...so you are saying i moved locations?

sorry pal...im still in the same location.

No.

If you turn out to be a barbarian you some how moved into a location that you couldn't possibly be in without having a special movement ability.

hahaha...you are so full of shit man.

You seem desperate.

hey would someone do the illumination in my area again please!! ....we can test and see very easily if i have moved since yesterday or not.

You are putting words in my mouth. I'm saying how the hell could you be where you are in the first place? It's assumed that all Barbarians start at the exteme edges of the map. How do you move out of that location?

Catching up.

I don't think you understand movement rules. You can move into a tile occupied by an enemy IF no enemies are in your present location.

What? It thought you couldn't move onto a tile if there were enemy players in it and no allied members there. I thought if a tile is unoccupied you could move there regardless of who is in your current location.

"Move - If there are no enemy players in your location, you may move to any adjacent location. If there is one or more enemy players in your location, you may move to any adjacent location at which there is another player from your faction. You will be told if it fails or succeeds. If the move fails, you may not try again on the same day."

You can always move if there are no enemies in your present location. If there are enemies in your present location, you can only move somewhere that you have an ally.

Edit: I see you figured this out. Sorry, I post as I'm catching up.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 13 October 2011 - 05:14 PM

[Silanah]

So, if anyone is interested, here's my opinion.

HP was under very little pressure, yet he freaked the fuck out.
He went from being well spoken and usually insightful to HERP DERP WHAT ARE RULES AHHH YOU SUCK!

Karosis is handling the situation pretty well, but the facts don't add up.

I'm not particularly certain of anything, yet. But I think there is a possibility that they are the same faction. HP's style change seems to imply attention grabbing. Maybe we got someone important with Karosis? I'm not sure.

HP, you say you know what tile Karosis is on. Mind sharing that info?

Also: My internet went out last night, and it's still REALLY slow, sorry about the double post thing. I lost this post too, luckily I thought to ctrl-c as it was trying to send.

[Hood's Path]

Silanah, on 13 October 2011 - 05:20 PM, said:

So, if anyone is interested, here's my opinion.

HP was under very little pressure, yet he freaked the fuck out.
He went from being well spoken and usually insightful to HERP DERP WHAT ARE RULES AHHH YOU SUCK!

Karosis is handling the situation pretty well, but the facts don't add up.

I'm not particularly certain of anything, yet. But I think there is a possibility that they are the same faction. HP's style change seems to imply attention grabbing. Maybe we got someone important with Karosis? I'm not sure.

HP, you say you know what tile Karosis is on. Mind sharing that info?

Also: My internet went out last night, and it's still REALLY slow, sorry about the double post thing. I lost this post too, luckily I thought to ctrl-c as it was trying to send.

Actually no I don't want to share that info. I just know that an illumination happened in my location and the number of players in my location means that there has to be players outside of my faction. Karosis was one of those players.

I'm sorry you thought I freaked the fuck out but when people are accusing you of things that are untrue then I tend to get a bit emotional.

Also does anyone want to test out the whole finder reveal thing? Serc's find earlier in the game on Tiam turned out true when he was on the chopping block. Why wouldn't Omtose's find reveal work the same?

[Silanah]

Fair enough, I figured you wouldn't.

I think, right now, the "finds" from Omtose are the biggest lead to go on...

HOWEVER.

Where the fuck is Galain?

[Korlat]

Here and catching up I've caught a throat infection and feel like shit so my mind is a bit mushed.

Ah I don't know, did omtose have a find ability, was he given information, was her pulling it out of his arse and making assumptions? I'm going to read over things again when I get the chance but I'll be aroundish.