[Path-Shaper]

VOTE COUNT

It is 225 AD (Day 1). 15 hours and 13 minutes remaining
25 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Emurlahn ( Gamelon )
1 Vote for Gamelon ( Osseric )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 29 September 2011 - 04:08 PM

[Sorrit]

I'll try and get back on in a few hours, but if not I want to leave a vote. To me, the reaction from Emurlahn against Gamelon's vote and accusation doesn't sit right

Gamelon vote spreading makes him look more carefree than everyone else who are holding their votes closer to their chests.

Serc, the early interaction of votes between him and Gamelon, receiving a double vote from Gamelon which was strange.


Gamelon seems to be the one figure in the middle of all of these, so I need to decide whether or not to vote for him or one of the other two. When thinking about this, Emurlahn strikes me as the one who has urked me the most with his response to the vote and potential signalling.

[Sorrit]

To find out more about Emurlahn and Serc I think i'll put my vote on Gamelon for the time being.



Vote Gamelon


I will hopefully be back later before day times out.

[Okaros]

Woke up to find some pages. Love it.

Ruse, on 29 September 2011 - 01:21 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 September 2011 - 12:25 PM, said:

Also, I hate it when people defend themselves by saying 'that's so silly I'm not even going to defend myself' and then proceed to ignore it. Too many people get out of lynches like that because they don't respond, and I donts like it!

Um...because people tend to get strung up twice as fast when they freak out over small cases? You say it yourself, it gets them out of lynches - so why the hell wouldn't they do it?

The Emur/Gamelon thing for me - I prefer to take the simplest explanation. Emur unintentionally made an ill-advised roleplaying comment. In a game devoid of much content yet, anyone could have picked up on that - it just happened to be Gamelon. As for Gamelon, throwing down a vote like that early is a little inducing of whispy-kung-fu-master-eyebrow-arching, but as he says - the voting is going to happen and he's making a judgement call on the odds.

Thyrllan, on 29 September 2011 - 01:21 PM, said:

Hmm.

1) I also think the second comma thing is a joke. And the name confusion could be an honest mistake, given that the discussion was all on the previous page. But whether it's to distract from what was originally signalling or not, I'm not sure.

2) I think it's silly to signal on the first day. But like someone said upthread, we do need cases, flimsy though they might be.

Aaaand my attempt to try figure stuff out is degenerating into WIFOM in my head. Sleep time, hopefully the morning bring enlightenment or something

I shared this opinion last night. The cases were weak, but that what usually occurs day 1 no? In reply to some comment about my final post last night, I was just holding back my vote because it was early in the day and there was no rush to speed lynch anyone without proper discussion. I'm glad to wake up to find some more speculation.

Tiamatha, on 29 September 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 12:38 AM, said:

*puts on game face*


Never too early to start dropping signals, huh? I can only assume that you're trying to be cute and are hiding something bigger, because no-one would really be that obvious if they were trying to drop something to their leader.


Remote Vote

Vote Emurlahn

If he's trying to drop something to his leader then wouldn't that mean he could possibly be a Civil Servant? Since, actually, according to the rules, Civil Servants are one of the roles who already know who their Emperor's are?
And if he's signaling, why not go for the one one signaled instead - if he's the possible emperor?

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 12:47 AM, said:

You can RP all you like, but I'm still going to call you on stuff like that. There's mountains of material you could use that doesn't come near the important stuff if all you wanted was some fun. So explain why you went and chose to talk about civil service exams with that choice of words if you weren't trying to hint at something.

So if he's hinting he's a Civil Servant, that makes him a ... Civil Servant? I guess? And what else?
I get the feeling that YOU yourself are a Civil Servant as well, and go with the "I'm the Civil Servant of my faction, so if he's a Civil Servant as well, then he's not on my faction, so my vote is safe" kinda flow of thoughts.

Osseric, on 29 September 2011 - 07:38 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 12:38 AM, said:

*puts on game face*

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 12:04 AM, said:

fair enough.

I shall now retire to commit to memory the sayings of the Great Teacher, so that I may ace the civil functionaries examinations and make my family proud.

call me when the geishas get here. i'll bring the rice wine.

Never too early to start dropping signals, huh? I can only assume that you're trying to be cute and are hiding something bigger, because no-one would really be that obvious if they were trying to drop something to their leader.


Remote Vote

Vote Emurlahn

Jumping on someone because you think they are trying to signal that they are civil official, not knowing whether he's in your team?

Either then you must be one of them scary factions, possibly the Usurper. Or you know he's not with you because you're some Emperor.


Boyah! this game is not so hard!

vote Gamelon

According to the rules (and I'm no rules lawyer I just read them after a heavy dose of caffeine -- AGAIN -- ) Emperors only know the role names and locations NOT the alt names.

Osseric, on 29 September 2011 - 10:00 AM, said:

The way I see the Gamelon thing, assuming that all that was picked up on thread was correct (including by Gamelon) is this:
- Emurlahn signals that he's a civil servant
- Gamelon calls him up on this, saying ironically that it's a signal which is so lame that it has to be fake, and votes
- Emurlahn signals Gamelon that he's in his team.

That would make Gamelon Emurlah's Emperor, I think that's the simplest scenario that fits the who-know-who as I understand it (unlike what I said in my original vote, I understood now that emperors don't know their whole own team)

There's also
-Emurlahn signals Ruse the exact same way

But I'm not sure what to make of that; either Emulahn is a lose cannon, or he's just trying to dilute his original signal

That seems logical, but Gamelon called Emur out based on his suspicions of him not actually being a Civil Servant which is something that is highly unlikely for people to know already in Day One?
Either that -- OR -- Gamelon, who himself confirmed that he already knows his emperor was alarmed because it seemed from Emur's posts that Emur was trying to signal Gamelons Emperor stating he's his Civil Servant... And since Gamelon IS the Civil Servant of that faction already, he's calling him out on controversy?
/shrug

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 12:08 PM, said:

Osseric, on 29 September 2011 - 07:38 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 12:38 AM, said:

*puts on game face*

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 12:04 AM, said:

fair enough.

I shall now retire to commit to memory the sayings of the Great Teacher, so that I may ace the civil functionaries examinations and make my family proud.

call me when the geishas get here. i'll bring the rice wine.

Never too early to start dropping signals, huh? I can only assume that you're trying to be cute and are hiding something bigger, because no-one would really be that obvious if they were trying to drop something to their leader.


Remote Vote

Vote Emurlahn

Jumping on someone because you think they are trying to signal that they are civil official, not knowing whether he's in your team?

Either then you must be one of them scary factions, possibly the Usurper. Or you know he's not with you because you're some Emperor.


Boyah! this game is not so hard!

vote Gamelon

On the contrary, I don't think Emurlahn is a Civil Official, which is why I'm voting for him. I know my Emperor, and it's not him, so given the supposition that he is not an Official, that would make him one of:

- The PM/Emperor of the other major factions
- The rebels
- The Usurper
- The PM of my faction

Pretty good odds there, so worth a punt.

I'd like to remind you that while we're given 7 overviews of roles, there are actually TEN role types in game, so your math might be a bit off.
For example, he could be the Military Officer of your faction (which happens to know the same Emperor as you do, since you semi-revealed Civil Official and was alarmed by it ) and slipped up his signal with the whole "civil code" instead of "martial code" per se?



Haven't found anything else, these are my thoughts on this current case and the subject.

And by the way, am I the only one who believes we should gun out to find the Usurper as he's Public Enemy No 1 with his recruiting ability?
After that, we can eat each others throats out like usual.

I agree that it is possible that Gamelon is targeting Emur and feeling safe it since they may be sharing civil servant roles. This in itself is interesting, but does it warrant a vote I wonder? Tiam wants us to target the Usurper. All well and good, but it is doubtful that we could nail the Usurper this early in the game. Chances are the fellow is laying low until he can recruit some people.

I love this game because it is difficult to justify pushing a lynch on someone even if we know (or have a good idea of) what role they have. Knowing that Emur and Game might be civil servants only makes them a target if you know they aren't on your team. The only legitimate target would be a faction leader. So confusing and fantastic.

I will read over the thread again in hopes to pick up on some things I may have missed. Maybe looking into the alleged signalling will help narrow down a potential faction leader.

[Okaros]

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 12:38 AM, said:

*puts on game face*

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 12:04 AM, said:

fair enough.

I shall now retire to commit to memory the sayings of the Great Teacher, so that I may ace the civil functionaries examinations and make my family proud.

call me when the geishas get here. i'll bring the rice wine.

Never too early to start dropping signals, huh? I can only assume that you're trying to be cute and are hiding something bigger, because no-one would really be that obvious if they were trying to drop something to their leader.


Remote Vote

Vote Emurlahn

Meanas, on 29 September 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 12:42 AM, said:

@ game: I suppose you are unfamiliar with how high society in Imperial China functioned, then, huh?



jeez, I suppose i'm not allowed to RP in a mafia ga,me anymore....

Perhaps this is in fact the true signal? The comma in game? And above that he refers to Gamelon as game. I think he's trying to tell Gamelon that they're on the same side and for him to back off. Interesting if I do say so myself.

Here's the ignition point, so to speak. With my last post in mind, I like Gamelon's idea that Emur may have said "civil functionaries examination" as a way of establishing himself as a civil servant. I've already mentioned that knowing someone is a civil servant isn't all that condemning, however Gamelon originally suspects that Emur is hiding something bigger. A civil servant is easy to dismiss, as I did previously. The fact that Emurlahn may have been aware of how easy a role like that would be overlooked indicates a hidden motive, or perhaps a more powerful position. Coupled with the "ga,me" potential signal (which I have doubts about -- the comma IS next to the M key) I think I can drop a vote here for now.

Vote Emurlahn

[Emurlahn]

I am here briefly, as i'm nearly late for class.

as someone pointed out, your typical qwerty keyboard has a comma next to the m.



so htere, m,eanas!
now, since people don't seem capable of letting it go:



vote Gamelon

because oh, my, god, your case sucks



back in a few hours

[Osseric]

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

I am here briefly, as i'm nearly late for class.

as someone pointed out, your typical qwerty keyboard has a comma next to the m.



so htere, m,eanas!
now, since people don't seem capable of letting it go:

As someone pointed out, here what I should have answered from the start instead of freaking out

[Osseric]

the vote is interesting, since he's being accused of signaling Gamelon (even if he wasn't meaning to, his reaction was strange when he was called on it). Gambit?

[Atrahal]

I'm seriously over whelmed at work at the moment and will try to get caught up when I get home. I should be able to get back before time out.

The best I can do today.

[Okaros]

Osseric, on 29 September 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

the vote is interesting, since he's being accused of signaling Gamelon (even if he wasn't meaning to, his reaction was strange when he was called on it). Gambit?

A little defensive perhaps. Still, I wouldn't read too much into the misplaced comma.

[Osseric]

Okaros, on 29 September 2011 - 03:46 PM, said:

Osseric, on 29 September 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

the vote is interesting, since he's being accused of signaling Gamelon (even if he wasn't meaning to, his reaction was strange when he was called on it). Gambit?

A little defensive perhaps. Still, I wouldn't read too much into the misplaced comma.

The point is not the coma, but his reaction. If Meanas said something correct (Emurlahn is hoping that Gamelon will back off and is trying to tell him somehow), even if his reasoning is bullshit and comes out of nowhere, there was reason for Emur to freak out. Which he kinda did, with his strange posts after Meanas'

[Osseric]

Anyways, why am I telling you this? You kinda agreed a few posts up. Except you think he freaked out from getting attention because of his awesome nasty role, not for getting his connection to Gamelon picked up.

I seriously doubt there's enough information on thread right now to figure out which (if any) is true.

[Path-Shaper]

VOTE COUNT

It is 225 AD (Day 1). 14 hours and 3 minutes remaining
25 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Gamelon ( Osseric, Sorritt, Emurlahn )
2 Votes for Emurlahn ( Gamelon, Okaros )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

[Tiamatha]

Osseric, on 29 September 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

Anyways, why am I telling you this? You kinda agreed a few posts up. Except you think he freaked out from getting attention because of his awesome nasty role, not for getting his connection to Gamelon picked up.

I seriously doubt there's enough information on thread right now to figure out which (if any) is true.

Civil Official / Military Official is the awesome nasty role? I'd say Emperors and Prime Ministers are quite stronger --- not to mention anything about the two Warlords who command their own factions (and we're not given any info on this apart that they start at the edge of the map) --- and the other three role types that were not reviewed...

Umm... were you being sarcastic btw? Cause my sarcasm-o-meter is kinda malfunctioning right now..

[Serc]

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

I am here briefly, as i'm nearly late for class.

as someone pointed out, your typical qwerty keyboard has a comma next to the m.



so htere, m,eanas!
now, since people don't seem capable of letting it go:



vote Gamelon

because oh, my, god, your case sucks



back in a few hours

I think this is a bogus post. Just because the [,] and [m] keys are next to each other on the keyboard...justifies nothing. And you seem to have deliberately made the same mistake just to prove that point? And then a deliberate OMGUS vote. None of this sits well with me. The hiding-in-plain-sight thing - trying to downplay things that would otherwise be suspicious by pointing them out, drawing attention to them, or deliberately being obvious about them - well, it's too early in the game for this to get a pass, I think.

Vote Emurlahn

Of course, the other problem right now is that with so many people playing, half of everyone (myself included) has 5 posts or fewer, and so at this point the nail that sticks up tends to get hammered down. Not a lot of other options, though.

[Okaros]

Tiamatha, on 29 September 2011 - 04:09 PM, said:

Osseric, on 29 September 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

Anyways, why am I telling you this? You kinda agreed a few posts up. Except you think he freaked out from getting attention because of his awesome nasty role, not for getting his connection to Gamelon picked up.

I seriously doubt there's enough information on thread right now to figure out which (if any) is true.

Civil Official / Military Official is the awesome nasty role? I'd say Emperors and Prime Ministers are quite stronger --- not to mention anything about the two Warlords who command their own factions (and we're not given any info on this apart that they start at the edge of the map) --- and the other three role types that were not reviewed...

Umm... were you being sarcastic btw? Cause my sarcasm-o-meter is kinda malfunctioning right now..

He was referencing my post about Emurlahn downplaying his role by semi-revealing to be a civil official. I was emphasizing this as I suspect it was to make himself a nonviable target for a lynch. Osseric seems to be more focused on Emur's reaction after being accused of signalling.

[Okaros]

Well, almost class time. I'll be back later tonight.

[Korlat]

Emur's reaction is doing him no favours, every time I think of gamelon as suspicious himself Emur seems to do or say something that makes it hard to ignore him, he seems to be ruffling people without effectively defending himself which seems strange for day 1, I would feel much less suspicious of him if he just calmly replied to the original accusation but the way he has reacted seems strange and discordant.

[Tiamatha]

Gamelon, on 28 September 2011 - 08:01 PM, said:

Nihao all! This game looks like it's going to be a blast! Love the new avatars, although I hope they're sufficiently distinguishable at a glance. Probably will be, as I can see there's quite a variation in background colour and clothing colour to make them all unique.

Vote Serc

For not knowing Chinese.

Serc, on 28 September 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

Oh, and...

Vote Gamelon

For pretending to know Chinese .

Gamelon, on 28 September 2011 - 09:51 PM, said:

Serc, on 28 September 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

Oh, and...

Vote Gamelon

For pretending to know Chinese .

OMG, You Suck!


Vote Serc

Oh wait, I've already done that.

A few people have already pointed this out... And reading back, actually THIS is the first possible signaling attempt? Funny how Serc comes back and accuses Emur on a shady OMGUS vote, when he and Gamelon were doing reach-arounds very very early in game.. And then both jump the signaling gun...

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

I am here briefly, as i'm nearly late for class.

as someone pointed out, your typical qwerty keyboard has a comma next to the m.



so htere, m,eanas!
now, since people don't seem capable of letting it go:



vote Gamelon

because oh, my, god, your case sucks



back in a few hours

I think this is a bogus post. Just because the [,] and [m] keys are next to each other on the keyboard...justifies nothing. And you seem to have deliberately made the same mistake just to prove that point? And then a deliberate OMGUS vote. None of this sits well with me. The hiding-in-plain-sight thing - trying to downplay things that would otherwise be suspicious by pointing them out, drawing attention to them, or deliberately being obvious about them - well, it's too early in the game for this to get a pass, I think.

Vote Emurlahn

Of course, the other problem right now is that with so many people playing, half of everyone (myself included) has 5 posts or fewer, and so at this point the nail that sticks up tends to get hammered down. Not a lot of other options, though.

It's not as if we have enough time, right? And it's not as if you guys can actually POINT OUT who exactly Emur was signaling, and we can decide if we can actually link that signal with something worth seeing into...
That's bullocks if you ask me.

I could vote for Emur right now, but I am ALL for voting to whom Emur was signaling to, if you can somehow pinpoint it out, maybe?
But right now, you two are getting cozy and quite close, and THAT is more worth looking into..

And since Gamelon pretty much stated he's a Civil Official / Military Official - That makes YOU Serc his Emperor, if he's signaling you with the double voting and the underlying chit-chat of day 1.

So, to make a long story short, can you guys actually come up with a name as to WHO Emur was signaling? If Emur DOES happen to be a Civil Servant / Military Official signaling to his Emperor, then let's try to FIND that Emperor, shall we?


And btw, I think we still have 3 people who haven't checked in yet? Galain, Kessobahn, Tennes.. ?

[Path-Shaper]

Nope, everyone has checked in.