[D'riss]

Caught-up.

Why do I think I have seen night one recruits killed the same night before, and that recruit can come before kill? So, it could be another reason for Feather of the Dominator, besides the already influencing certain members of the Circle explanation.

[D'riss]

Well, I guess its not bad I'm going to have to leave soon, considering no one else is around. I quite enjoyed the successful summon spell done earlier. It is interesting.

[Galain]

This place is dead.

I'm going back to where I was yesterday.

Vote Liosan

[Path-Shaper]

W are getting near the little village, one of the hiding places of the Rebel.
The captain has orders some of the men to dress up as women and go and join the other women who are getting water from the river near the village.
As soon as they are through the gates they pull out their weapons and kill the soldiers there. The rest of us runs to join them.

Omtose is dead.


It is Day 3. 22 hours and 43 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Ampelas, Antrhas, Barghast, D'riss, Galain, Korbas, Liosan, Osseric, Rashan

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Liosan ( Galain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Antrhas, Barghast, D'riss, Korbas, Liosan, Osseric, Rashan

[Barghast]

You had to say something didn't you Galain. Now this place is more dead.

[Barghast]

So we have a day killer now, at least three players that can kill at night (whether they are still around or just one of them is running against a BP is up for speculation). I'm going to look closer at Omtose. This seems like the kind of kill someone saves up for the right moment since it its the first day kill in three days.

[Ampelas]

I come back from Lunch to find someone has died?

And still no CF.

This is getting old.

[Ampelas]

From the scene it looks like it was another rebel member that was hit. It seems like the rebels have a lot of members on their team.

[Barghast]

Hey Amp, since you're hear, care to check up on Omtose. I'm reading through right now collecting quotes so anyone else going for that right now would be useful, esp. since we seem to have acquired an addiction to Korbas and his banter.

[Ampelas]

Barghast, on 30 June 2011 - 08:31 PM, said:

So we have a day killer now, at least three players that can kill at night (whether they are still around or just one of them is running against a BP is up for speculation). I'm going to look closer at Omtose. This seems like the kind of kill someone saves up for the right moment since it its the first day kill in three days.

That is the impression that I get as well.

[Galain]

Barghast, on 30 June 2011 - 08:29 PM, said:

You had to say something didn't you Galain. Now this place is more dead.

That's not what I was looking for when I complained

[Barghast]

Galain, on 30 June 2011 - 08:47 PM, said:

Barghast, on 30 June 2011 - 08:29 PM, said:

You had to say something didn't you Galain. Now this place is more dead.

That's not what I was looking for when I complained

No worries Galain. I wasn't accusing you. Just thought it was ironic.

[Ampelas]

Barghast, on 30 June 2011 - 08:43 PM, said:

Hey Amp, since you're hear, care to check up on Omtose. I'm reading through right now collecting quotes so anyone else going for that right now would be useful, esp. since we seem to have acquired an addiction to Korbas and his banter.

I'm tempted to vote Korbas in the hopes that it will free up PS to start giving us the informaton instead of relying on pinky for it.

As to your request I'll do a look through on his posts as well.

[Galain]

Sounds like a soldier of the Rebel faction was killed, ie Omtose. Someone was either randomly guessing at targets or thought Omtose was someone important

[Galain]

I don't think lynching Korbas will win the game for anybody but the Dominator; for some reason I don't think P-S will give up any info even if we did it

[Anthras]

Dropping in briefly at lunch.

Ampelas, on 30 June 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:

I'm tempted to vote Korbas in the hopes that it will free up PS to start giving us the informaton instead of relying on pinky for it.

Why would anyone believe this would happen?

[Barghast]

Ok, so this quote fest, is going to be a little random, but this is what I thought interesting starting from Day 1:

Tellan, on 28 June 2011 - 09:01 AM, said:

Sorry about being late to the party (or at least to the interesting part).

In regards to distribution there seems logical to have the dominator - as previously mentioned - a recruiter of sorts. That's what he does in the books no? With that there can be three base factions: The Lady and her BC vs the Rebels with the Dominator as the wild card. I guess the Lady could have other of the Taken with her, but that number would certainly be fairly small as it seems likely that the rebel faction is the largest.

I don't know what to make of HP's accusations towards Eloth. Tongue in cheek is my guess, but it remains to be seen.

If Tellan was indeed Soulcatcher and of a faction after her name-sake, the below seems like a deflection, trying to simplify the Lady's faction to remove suspicion from the Lady's faction being even more fragmented.

Omtose, on 28 June 2011 - 09:25 AM, said:

Maybe the BC can choose which side they want to win? maybe they have multiple winning conditions?

without Reading the books, and only having your convoluted info to work with, im assuming there's 4 factions, the dominator which i dont think will be that powerful till near the end of the game, the lady, who is cult, the BC which multiple winning conditions, and the rebels who are mostly RI

I am just trying to capture potential salient points from Omtose for analysis. I think there is a possibility he was onto something was was knocked off during the day to quell the threat. That or someone finally figured out he was a big bad for them and polished him off.

Omtose, on 28 June 2011 - 02:36 PM, said:

Korbas, on 28 June 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

so you want to go on the original daft argument about names rather than try and be helpful? So should we get rid of Anthras because it sounds like anthrax?


Vote Omtose

for wanting to vote based on a name rather than anything useful.

erm, did i vote and not notice?

im pretty sure i said it was pretty much just idle speculation, getting a little touchy arnt we?

And this only now adds to my suspicions of Korbas. One of the earliest of many day one vote switches was against Omtose for what seems to be very little reason. Does Korbas have advance knowledge on Omtose and was probing to see if he could get a lynch train started? More on both Korbas and Omtose to follow.

Sorrit, on 28 June 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

Ruse, on 28 June 2011 - 02:54 PM, said:

I'm around. HP's fear mongering makes me a little nervous. Why say that people are spreading misinformation without identifying what that misinformation is? Suspicious.

Yes this had me at a loss as well, as much as speculating on the game set up gets to be quite WIFOM with such a sketchy opening post speculation is natural and for those who have read the books are going to be using them as a frame of reference.

Galain, on 28 June 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

I'm not locking myself into any assumptions about the number of factions, but I think we need to kick this thing off with a lynch.

Vote HP

for trying to make people look suspicious for discussing the story in an attempt to figure out the game

If we don't start somewhere, this game won't progress. I'd like to have some info

If HP was a rebel RI, why was Ruse, the so called Rebel leader or at least lieutenant, acting so suspicious of him. Either Ruse didn't know what was going on, or his CF could be suspect. Weak comment I know, so don't read too much into my speculations. As I said, writing things that caught my eye. Also remember the second person quoted here, Sorrit, was CF'ed to be a rebel RI too.

I don't think anybody has a certain idea locked in their mind but maybe after lynch we will have something more to go on.

Osseric, on 28 June 2011 - 03:28 PM, said:

Anyone care to speculate why Korabas didnt bother removing his vote from Korbas? That's a touch odd.

As for Omtose vs. HP, I'm not sure I'm following Korbas' reasoning for Omtose at all, it's almost OMGUS, whereas I can at least understand people's observation of HP's post.

Yeah Pinky's vote makes no sense to me since Omtose was speculating on a possible link, seems a tad reactionary especially since Omtose didn't lay down a vote, i know pinky thought he was trying to steer but it was one person and I think on day one if he really was intending to steer it in that direction the only way to get people to follow would be to actually vote. When there is this much confusion over factions, numbers, roles etc. there are going to be speculations.

And another comment on Korbas' vote on Omtose, which other players at the time found a little odd.

Omtose, on 28 June 2011 - 05:00 PM, said:

at least we can all agree that pinky is a good name.

If i was leading against you personally korbas I could of layed down a vote, which would of put pinky at two votes, with nothing much else going on, i dont think HP had any votes on at that time, it could easily have snowballed into a train.

So because it was just a random spur of the moment stray thought, I didnt add a vote, which could of caused a lynch on such a bad argument.

Also i mentioned you and korabas. so I could of just as easily been aiming towards him.

your over reaction is probably just OMGUS, but it is very suspicious.

Im dont mind voting HP to make sure we get a lynch, though id rather he had time to defend himself :/

still hes not at L1 yet so ill put my vote down just in case i get called away

Vote HP

And Omtose's reaction to Korbas. Pretty non-plussed. I will be interested in seeing what Korbas has to CF about Omtose. Ok, that's my first comment set. Working on annotating the second one.

[Barghast]

Before I continue, I just want to say my read through continues to scream alarms through my head. I still think we need to

Vote Korbas

And clear the air. Again, I know we like his CF's but as my second quote fest is going to examine, I am worried the CF's are messed up and I am worried, as always, about being manipulated.

[Ampelas]

First interesting post

Omtose, on 27 June 2011 - 08:38 PM, said:

If the dominator is asleep then its likely he has conditions that will wake him up and make him uber powerful, like the Eldar got the avatar of khaine in the warhammer game (mafia 65?)

more vc talk

Omtose, on 28 June 2011 - 09:25 AM, said:

Maybe the BC can choose which side they want to win? maybe they have multiple winning conditions?

without Reading the books, and only having your convoluted info to work with, im assuming there's 4 factions, the dominator which i dont think will be that powerful till near the end of the game, the lady, who is cult, the BC which multiple winning conditions, and the rebels who are mostly RI

Origin of Pinky

Omtose, on 28 June 2011 - 02:01 PM, said:

everyones saying who do you think we should lynch and no one is giving a candidate or reason, apart from korbas's gut feeling...

maybe we should call korbas pinky or something so we dont confuse him with korabas, not that i want to have a go at PS but it seems a little daft using both these alts

unless theres a sneaky link between the two? didnt someone say before that PS kept saying 16 players instead of 17? maybe the two korbiis are the same character playing too different sides, theres meant to be alot of back stabbing and side switching in the books isnt there?

but thats pure speculation, without anything real backing, just dont have any thing else to say right now

Pinky taking offense to Omtose and his response

Omtose, on 28 June 2011 - 02:36 PM, said:

Korbas, on 28 June 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

so you want to go on the original daft argument about names rather than try and be helpful? So should we get rid of Anthras because it sounds like anthrax?


Vote Omtose

for wanting to vote based on a name rather than anything useful.

erm, did i vote and not notice?

im pretty sure i said it was pretty much just idle speculation, getting a little touchy arnt we?

Votes for HP

Omtose, on 28 June 2011 - 05:00 PM, said:

at least we can all agree that pinky is a good name.

If i was leading against you personally korbas I could of layed down a vote, which would of put pinky at two votes, with nothing much else going on, i dont think HP had any votes on at that time, it could easily have snowballed into a train.

So because it was just a random spur of the moment stray thought, I didnt add a vote, which could of caused a lynch on such a bad argument.

Also i mentioned you and korabas. so I could of just as easily been aiming towards him.

your over reaction is probably just OMGUS, but it is very suspicious.

Im dont mind voting HP to make sure we get a lynch, though id rather he had time to defend himself :/

still hes not at L1 yet so ill put my vote down just in case i get called away

Vote HP

More Faction Speculation

Omtose, on 28 June 2011 - 05:18 PM, said:

if u go on the assumption theres only 3 factions and im not in the BC, that means its a choice of 2 options, not a 50/50 chance im in the dominator faction unless both of those factions have equal numbers of players, which i doubt

i mention a link between the two korbies and both of them vote for me? hmmm

Next two posts hes responding to someone and talking about BC victory conditions

Next post asks PS if scenes contains clues

Mentions that Korbas outs himself as BC

Omtose, on 28 June 2011 - 07:56 PM, said:

Ruse, on 28 June 2011 - 07:26 PM, said:

Wow, three NKs? And no CF from any of them...

It almost reads like the Black Company are NPCs? Is that possible?

i would of agreed with you, but i think korabas pretty much outted himself as BC before

You said in your next post that u dont think we should lynch? at all? admittedly we dont know if we hit gold or not, but we cant just do nothing

[Ampelas]

Continued

Hints at his VC

Omtose, on 28 June 2011 - 09:38 PM, said:

hitting gold for me would be taking out the dominator, and i assume we would at least hear about that in the scene

Speculates that the lack of CF helps one man team or a team that knows all their members

Next couple posts speculates on Korbas CF Finder ability

Then he points out that there is something wrong with Korbas find as it doesn't match to some of the wiki info

Calls out Korbas on his vote on Tellan

Next post after a long absence

Omtose, on 30 June 2011 - 11:02 AM, said:

well well well, only two nks this time, so maybe one of the 3 kills on day one took out a killer, or maybe tellan was a killer....

i can understand how the tellan vote started, If it hadnt been so early in the day i would of joined a vote there too. But afterwards tellan came back and was posting, and was posting content, so why did you decide to keep lynching him?

Im not quite sure i saw the reason for the votes on anthras, i will go back and have a look at that when i get a chance.

10 players left, if we have a lynch and 2 NKS again tonight that takes us down to 7, so im guessing its D day either tomorrow or the day after

Love the pinky and the brain reference. Too bad it was lost on Korbas

Omtose, on 30 June 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

osseric soul catcher wasnt killed twice,

according to pinky, two members of the soulcacther faction have been killed, and one of those was soul catcher himself

we have pinky, but where is the brain?

Next post just clarificaion on an explaination regarding soulcatcher

This is in response to Barghast comment that Raker was part of the Circle and the rebellion allied agasint the Lady

Omtose, on 30 June 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

so was the feather, and yet pinky said feather was working for the dominator....

Omtose using the wiki

Omtose, on 30 June 2011 - 01:38 PM, said:

what i get from wikki is that the lady and the taken(soulcatcher) are on one side, the rebels are on another, and the dominator is manipulating the rebels but the rebels are not on his side

A few 1 liner posts

Then a quote fest (I Changed the color in his post to not get confused with this moster quote fest)

Omtose, on 30 June 2011 - 03:33 PM, said:

Rashan, on 30 June 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

Galain, on 30 June 2011 - 03:26 PM, said:

Osseric, on 30 June 2011 - 01:45 PM, said:

Korbas, on 30 June 2011 - 01:36 PM, said:

is the dominator is trying to get control using the rebels and i'm guessing the lady is trying to stop him with soulcatcher as her ally? or am i totally in the wrong frame of mind here?



added start for question edit

Are you suggesting that some seperate factions are allied?

Its possible there are some common goals between factions, which would be a type of alliance. It's impossible to guess what strange mechanics may be in play. Bookwise, for what it's worth, Soulcatcher worked for the Lady, but always had an eye on her own plans, maybe taking her place or similar. If I'm remembering this wrong, someone correct me.

Makes sense and its not an unheard of mafia mechanic: small fraction inside a bigger fraction and the leader of the smaller one can take over the big fraction if the big fraction leader dies (and possibly other conditions are met). I guess we dont need to worry about it much with soulcatcher dead though unless he had a lieutenant who could take over with the same ability to replace the big leader (the Lady in this case yes??)

but it wouldnt of been called soul catchers faction in the first CF from that team we got, if that was a subset of the ladys faction....would it?

Another 1 liner

Omtose, on 30 June 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

well soul catcher was one of the bad guys in the book apparently

Last post before death

Omtose, on 30 June 2011 - 04:39 PM, said:

im not a bad guy.....honest