[Anthras]

Barghast, on 01 July 2011 - 03:33 AM, said:

Running out of people if you haven't noticed Anthrax. And you didn't play the last game eh? Would explain a lot.

"Running out of people?" What does that even mean?

And I did play in the last game. I in no way think the Dominator role is identical to the Dragon role. And if it was ... how would you know?

I also don't think that Korbas could be a leader - a CF faction leader would be overpowered in the manipulation department.

[Barghast]

Anthras, on 01 July 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

Barghast, on 01 July 2011 - 03:33 AM, said:

Running out of people if you haven't noticed Anthrax. And you didn't play the last game eh? Would explain a lot.

"Running out of people?" What does that even mean?

And I did play in the last game. I in no way think the Dominator role is identical to the Dragon role. And if it was ... how would you know?

I also don't think that Korbas could be a leader - a CF faction leader would be overpowered in the manipulation department.

Have you taken a head count lately? We have lost 8 people in 2 days. That is fucking fast man.

And of course the roll isn't a carbon copy of the Dragon role. But even now, if Korbas is shooting straight, the Rebel faction is massive and that means someone else's faction is small. So yeah, I still think Korbas could be a leader (how many people have seriously voted for him.... oh wait, yeah, two! Three if you call the K versus K thing a vote). Plus, 2/9 chance if there are only 4 factions...

So if we let Korbas go on, he leads with the rest of the game. Says who's who, gives us all our content for discussion and even gets first say on the CF reveals. If you don't call that leading, then you are in deep friend. very deep.

[Barghast]

oh, and by the way Anthras, weren't we talking about you early today, what was it, for lack of keen insight? How many opinions have you given lately? What useful opinions do you have?

[Anthras]

Barghast, on 01 July 2011 - 03:45 AM, said:

Have you taken a head count lately? We have lost 8 people in 2 days. That is fucking fast man.

And of course the roll isn't a carbon copy of the Dragon role. But even now, if Korbas is shooting straight, the Rebel faction is massive and that means someone else's faction is small. So yeah, I still think Korbas could be a leader (how many people have seriously voted for him.... oh wait, yeah, two! Three if you call the K versus K thing a vote). Plus, 2/9 chance if there are only 4 factions...

So if we let Korbas go on, he leads with the rest of the game. Says who's who, gives us all our content for discussion and even gets first say on the CF reveals. If you don't call that leading, then you are in deep friend. very deep.

Woosh! Look at that deflection when I implied you had knowledge of the Dominator role. And you sound so certain it isn't the same as the Dragon, when your previous post tried to insinuate it was.

And by "leader" I mean leader of a faction. Straw-manning on your part, when we both knew what I meant.

Hell, you've tried to bull people into a line of thinking more than Korbas. You've tried to dominate discussion and the narrative that everyone should follow. You've failed to explain why a CF Role should be killed off, as an immediate priority.

Barghast, on 01 July 2011 - 03:48 AM, said:

oh, and by the way Anthras, weren't we talking about you early today, what was it, for lack of keen insight? How many opinions have you given lately? What useful opinions do you have?

Deflection. Trying to throw this back on me, by implying there's a communal agreement on my contributions, trying to rally people to you when they read this. That's not even a defense, that's just flailing around going "OMGUS!"

WTF useful opinions have you had? None. Lots and lots of speculation that keep leading you back to "Hey, let's kill Korbas, because!" And a refusal to address the Omtose day kill.

Again: Omtose gets DK'd, you pop up minutes later to wall-to-wall quote him without coming to any solid conclusions, and then go right back to a holy crusade against Korbas with no reasoning.

[Liosan]

Anthras, what you are saying makes sense, except for that last part, you are using WIFOM as an argument against Barg in trying to claim he was the one who day killed Omtose, and you seem pretty upset by that particular death. The reason Barg isn't so concerned by Omtose's death is because obviously he wasn't in the rebel faction (I am assuming The Rebel) was a leader of some sort. Which leads me to believe that you are of the rebel faction.

[Barghast]

One last comment, and then I'm waiting for more intelligent converstion:

You haven't really read my comments have you. I've talked about Ruse, Omtose, Korbas, potential factions, etc etc. I asked Amp to look into Omtose and have provided both discussion and opinions along the way. Have you really asked questions on my opinions? Care to speculate why Omtose was suddenly killed on Day 3. I was getting plenty of back and forth with other players before this fun little spat, and I think I shall close this little fun tete down until someone else has something to say.

Deflection, pot calling the kettle black my friend.

[Anthras]

Liosan, on 01 July 2011 - 04:04 AM, said:

Anthras, what you are saying makes sense, except for that last part, you are using WIFOM as an argument against Barg in trying to claim he was the one who day killed Omtose, and you seem pretty upset by that particular death. The reason Barg isn't so concerned by Omtose's death is because obviously he wasn't in the rebel faction (I am assuming The Rebel) was a leader of some sort. Which leads me to believe that you are of the rebel faction.

I'm using the Omtose Day Kill as part of my argument is because of how quickly Barghast responded to it, how quickly he shrugged it aside after a lengthy quoting of Omtose's postings, and how quickly it was forgotten in Barghast's yowling for Korbas's blood.

He's obviously the day killer. And I pretty strongly believe Dominator aligned, and as that's not my faction, I'll be happy to see him dead. As should anyone else who isn't symping him.

[Anthras]

Barghast, on 01 July 2011 - 04:05 AM, said:

One last comment, and then I'm waiting for more intelligent converstion:

You haven't really read my comments have you. I've talked about Ruse, Omtose, Korbas, potential factions, etc etc. I asked Amp to look into Omtose and have provided both discussion and opinions along the way. Have you really asked questions on my opinions? Care to speculate why Omtose was suddenly killed on Day 3. I was getting plenty of back and forth with other players before this fun little spat, and I think I shall close this little fun tete down until someone else has something to say.

You've talked, and talked, and talked ... and haven't actually said anything, besides "Hey, let's lynch the CF, but let's not think too hard on why we should do so!" You did that even before the last Night, making your "numbers" argument even weaker.

Now you're playing the "I'll just go away, because this is beneath me" card.

[Liosan]

Korbas, on 30 June 2011 - 10:48 PM, said:

I'm not loyal to anyone because i don't know who to trust.

This may be considered a partial reveal, but you don't know a single person that you can trust? Not one? Either my faction has a power that the others don't, or you sir are the leader of a faction. I am going to bed, but this makes me happy to leave my vote where it is.

[Anthras]

Liosan, on 01 July 2011 - 04:10 AM, said:

Korbas, on 30 June 2011 - 10:48 PM, said:

I'm not loyal to anyone because i don't know who to trust.

This may be considered a partial reveal, but you don't know a single person that you can trust? Not one? Either my faction has a power that the others don't, or you sir are the leader of a faction. I am going to bed, but this makes me happy to leave my vote where it is.

It makes me happier about my vote, because you just pointed out that Korbas is possibly an independent actor, and thus less likely to manipulate his information. Leaders are always given some information as to who is in their faction. And as I believe the Dominator couldn't be so overpowered as to be a CF, this means Korbas isn't him.

And you're running away from this case same as Barghast, desperately evading what I've pointed out. So, likely symp and master.

[Liosan]

Anthras, on 01 July 2011 - 04:14 AM, said:

And as I believe the Dominator couldn't be so overpowered as to be a CF, this means Korbas isn't him.

1. There is possibly another Leader role out there
2. Who says the Dominator can't have the CF ability + the ability to recruit.
3. Who says that the dominator can't have ONLY the ability to CF

Your information is skewered, I am not sure if he is in the dominator faction(maybe he's been recruited or something?) or not, but you and Ampelas seem to have very different reasons to want to keep him around. Yours seem to be more for his info (which you accept as 100 percent truth or at least 95 %) his is because Korbas is such a sweet guy with a lovely pink tail and a gentleman as well.

So while you may be a rebel, its obvious to me at least that they are not, and with what Korbas said and Ampelas' actions , I can be reasonably sure they are not in my faction, so that leaves Dominator, or one other.

[Rashan]

Are you guys seriously this stupid?

Korbas is Croaker, head of the black company and annalist. The annals angle is why he gets the CFs. But he's not a fraction leader because the black company is not a fraction. The black company changes from fraction to fraction depending on the rest of the players. They stated in soulcatchers fraction because he recruited them at the start of the book. Now he's dead so they are probably in the Lady/Empire fraction and maybe theres a mechanic for them to change to the rebel fraction later on.

30 seconds on wikipedia guys, its not that difficult.

[Anthras]

Rashan, on 01 July 2011 - 05:00 AM, said:

Are you guys seriously this stupid?

Korbas is Croaker, head of the black company and annalist. The annals angle is why he gets the CFs. But he's not a fraction leader because the black company is not a fraction. The black company changes from fraction to fraction depending on the rest of the players. They stated in soulcatchers fraction because he recruited them at the start of the book. Now he's dead so they are probably in the Lady/Empire fraction and maybe theres a mechanic for them to change to the rebel fraction later on.

I'm not that stupid, I noticed that up a while ago when someone mentioned it.

Liosan and Barghast aren't that stupid, either. They just want to eliminate anyone that can be traced back to their faction. Thus, the Dominator-killed-as-victory-condition Omtose, and Korbas the CF.

[Rashan]

Anthras, on 01 July 2011 - 04:14 AM, said:

Liosan, on 01 July 2011 - 04:10 AM, said:

Korbas, on 30 June 2011 - 10:48 PM, said:

I'm not loyal to anyone because i don't know who to trust.

This may be considered a partial reveal, but you don't know a single person that you can trust? Not one? Either my faction has a power that the others don't, or you sir are the leader of a faction. I am going to bed, but this makes me happy to leave my vote where it is.

It makes me happier about my vote, because you just pointed out that Korbas is possibly an independent actor, and thus less likely to manipulate his information. Leaders are always given some information as to who is in their faction. And as I believe the Dominator couldn't be so overpowered as to be a CF, this means Korbas isn't him.

And you're running away from this case same as Barghast, desperately evading what I've pointed out. So, likely symp and master.

I can name at least a half-dozen faction games where leaders were [b]not]/b] given any information as to who was in their faction. Dont make stupid assumptions

[Rashan]

Well the way I see it as soon as we saw 3 NKs night 1 any fraction leader wasnt about to step up and risk drawing attention. I think they'll be the ones who have been lying low all game and the dominator most of all. Between us all that looks most like Galain and Osseric to me. They have largely been avoiding the spotlight while Barghast Korbas and Anthras keep everyones attention. Galain has been lying the lowest with the fewest posts all game except for a single entirely forgettable token case on Lio which he can draw back on to claim he's not lying low. I know its a lot of gut, but imho he is the most likely dominator. And since the loud raging back and forth b/w Barg Korb and Anthras is largely over stupid topics, I am going to

Vote Galain

[Rashan]

With that I am hitting the sack because its 2 am here and no one else is online

[Ampelas]

Liosan, on 01 July 2011 - 04:23 AM, said:

Anthras, on 01 July 2011 - 04:14 AM, said:

And as I believe the Dominator couldn't be so overpowered as to be a CF, this means Korbas isn't him.

1. There is possibly another Leader role out there
2. Who says the Dominator can't have the CF ability + the ability to recruit.
3. Who says that the dominator can't have ONLY the ability to CF

Your information is skewered, I am not sure if he is in the dominator faction(maybe he's been recruited or something?) or not, but you and Ampelas seem to have very different reasons to want to keep him around. Yours seem to be more for his info (which you accept as 100 percent truth or at least 95 %) his is because Korbas is such a sweet guy with a lovely pink tail and a gentleman as well.

So while you may be a rebel, its obvious to me at least that they are not, and with what Korbas said and Ampelas' actions , I can be reasonably sure they are not in my faction, so that leaves Dominator, or one other.

He is a cute fuzzy little thing isn't he. I just want to snuggle up to him and give him kisses and pet him and love him and squeeze him and call him George.

For the record there are a number of reasons I want to keep Korbas around. The obvious reason is for his CF ability regardless of how questionable some think his CFs are. Second I don't believe he is a leader position. Third I think his goals in the game don't necessary conflict with mine. I even believe he might be part of a 5th unknown faction. Call me his symp all you want. Anybody who wants to keep the flow of information coming would want to have Korbas around. You really need to question those that want to cut it off so adamantly.

[Ampelas]

Rashan, on 01 July 2011 - 05:42 AM, said:

Well the way I see it as soon as we saw 3 NKs night 1 any fraction leader wasnt about to step up and risk drawing attention. I think they'll be the ones who have been lying low all game and the dominator most of all. Between us all that looks most like Galain and Osseric to me. They have largely been avoiding the spotlight while Barghast Korbas and Anthras keep everyones attention. Galain has been lying the lowest with the fewest posts all game except for a single entirely forgettable token case on Lio which he can draw back on to claim he's not lying low. I know its a lot of gut, but imho he is the most likely dominator. And since the loud raging back and forth b/w Barg Korb and Anthras is largely over stupid topics, I am going to

Vote Galain

Laying low could be said about more than a few people. I think I'll wait until tomorrow to decide which direction I want to go. Now it's off to bed for me as well.

[D'riss]

I'd rather vote for someone else besides Korbas, Barghast, or Galain. I'd rather vote for somebody I think might be a leader, and I have all three down as followers in my notes. Korbas especially. I'm not saying he's a sacred cow, I'm just saying we all know exactly what we'll get with that lynch, or would, if we didn't lose CF abilities. Barghast is pretty out there, so I don't think he is a leader. I've had Galain marked down as a follower for a couple days.

I'm thinking of choosing between Osseric, Liosan, and Anthras. Don't think Ampelas or Rashan are leaders after looking at their posts, if so, they are pretty out there, especially in vote scenarios where it is sure to draw attention.

I'll choose tomorrow when I wake up.

[Osseric]

A lot of poo being flung about in my absence. I have to say, my instinct has me agreeing with Anthras. Bargy is so damn adament about getting rid of pinky, and his only point is we don't know who he really is. Well, I've got news for bargy, I don't know who anybody is! It seems like he's using a page from the mafia playbook about laying low, and then come on like a charging rhinocerous as it gets closer to the end. I feel like I've seen that time and again.

I'm of a mind to add my vote to Anthras at the moment.

As for what Rashan has said, one of the things I have jotted in my notes is Galain early on used at least 3 posts to talk about possibilities surrounding the dominator. He seemed keen on getting his opinion out there, either to set some ideas into the discourse or to phish for information. As for me laying low, I feel I've been plenty active. You have to have the spotlight put on you by someone else in order to be in the spotlight. Barghast could jsut as well have latched onto me, except I don't have any CF info to give.

I have to pop right out again now after this post. I've done most of my posting from work and it's been a busy week - I'm just catching things as I can.