[Anthras]

Galain, on 29 June 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

Liosan, on 29 June 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

Nice write up Ampelas. That was a pretty fun read through to catch up. I see that Korbas (I refuse to call him pinky because the other K name is no longer in play, and I am cocky like that) has a super cool power, one that according to Ruse is a bit skewed according to the books.

I have a theory that Korbas has the ability he says he does, but changed the info a little on Korabas, due to some variable (likely having to do with Korabas being some type of leader/powerful force, in Korbas' own faction). It stands to reason for instance that when Korbas gets the name of the player he can put that together with his own faction based on book knowledge/wiki/etc.

I think I grudgingly agree with this. It's too much info to just make up. I also think Korbas has changed somthing to benefit his faction, and if we could figure what that is, it would tell us which faction he belongs to.

The problem with trying to figure that out is that we're not just deciding what Korbas may have changed from his received information, but what the creators of the game changed when writing it up - they would've had to crop a large cast of characters into a smaller one, and pick a point in the plot to determine loyalties. And make changes to make it more suitable for Mafia play-style.

[Anthras]

Anyways, since there seems to be some leaning towards the idea of chopping away at the low-poster dead-wood:


Vote Tellan


Who hasn't been around in a while, and seems disinterested in the game.

[Barghast]

Another item to get the names in front of us (Green = maybe in the game as a player and still alive; Red = dead according to Korbas):

Barghast, on 29 June 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

The Ten Who Were Taken; The New Taken
Many generations before the first novel, these Ten powerful wizards were magically bound to the will of the Dominator:

• Soulcatcher
• The Limper
• The Howler
• Shapeshifter
• Stormbringer
• Bonegnasher
• The Hanged Man
• Nightcrawler
• Moonbiter
• The Faceless Man

Then, between the first and the third novels, the Lady replaced those of the Ten who were slain with the following:

• Whisper
• Journey
• Feather
• Blister
• Scorn
• Benefice
• The Creeper
• Learned

And finally the wikipedia Black Company List of characters:

Members of The Black Company

[edit]From the Northern Campaigns

• The Captain: Leader of the Black Company.
• The Lieutenant: His second in command.
• Croaker [most likely just PS's role]: Company's doctor and annalist. As annalist, his is the voice that narrates the stories. Though no specific rank is mentioned, it is likely he ranks as a mid-level officer.
• Silent: Moderately talented wizard named for the fact that he never speaks.
• Goblin: Moderately talented wizard named because of his short stature and his facial features.
• Tom-Tom: Moderately talented wizard named for the instruments he carries and plays to punctuate his speech. Brother of One-Eye.
• One-Eye: Moderately talented wizard named for the fact that he has only one good eye. Brother of Tom-Tom.
• Elmo: Sergeant and Croaker's best friend.
• Murgen: Standard bearer.
• Mercy: Platoon leader.
• Pickles: Company quartermaster.
• Otto: Veteran mercenary.
• Hagop: Veteran mercenary and scout.
• Raven: Northern recruit of former affluence.
• Candy: Veteran mercenary.
• Pawnbroker: Veteran mercenary.
• Kingpin: Veteran mercenary known for laziness.
• Marron Shed: Inn owner from Juniper.

Ok, so the greens, if all present account for 8 of the 13 remaining players. Not listed above but probably player roles include: White Rose, Bormaz (from the OP), and more nameless Rebels (if that is all the info Korbas received on the dead rebel players).

Let's say that there is only one Rebel left to keep them on this list, which then accounts for 11 of the 13 players. Since we haven't heard of any rebel wizards (correct?) I would guess the last two roles are part of the Circle for completeness sake.

That leads me to guess the following faction breakdown:

Soul-catcher's (Lady's) Faction [up to 8 players]
Leadership (1st = Lady, 2nd = Soulcatcher) [2 players]
Taken (The Limper) [1 player]
Misc (Bormaz) [1 player]
BC members [up to 4 players]

Dominator's Faction [1 player]
Leadership (Dominator) [1 player]

Rebellion Faction [2 players]
Leadership (White Rose) [1 player]
The Circle [2 players]
Unnamed Rebels [1 player]

These seem like very uneven teams, which can potentially work if there is 1) a lot of cross recruiting with the Taken, BC, Circle, and Rebels being fair game and/or 2) the smaller factions have a lot of tricks up their sleeves such as a superpower Dom and WR.

I think that the BC is actually smaller (death scene name dropping for story's sake) and the Circle peeps include more players. I also think it is possible the Lady or Soulcatcher don't exist are are just another name place holder.

Ok, this is a long post. I'll back off for a sec.

[Tellan]

Hey. Sorry about the non-presence today. My grandfather had an accident and I've been driving back and forth between the hospital and their home all day. He's doing fine now but there's just a lot of stress involved.

Will sit down and read the thread now ish.

[Lizradusa]

It is Day 2. 12 hours and 34 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Antrhas, Barghast, D'riss, Galain, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Tellan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Tellan ( Korbas, Ampelas, Antrhas )

Players not voted: Barghast, D'riss, Galain, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Tellan

[Mockra]

Barghast, on 29 June 2011 - 06:43 PM, said:

Another item to get the names in front of us (Green = maybe in the game as a player and still alive; Red = dead according to Korbas):

Barghast, on 29 June 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

The Ten Who Were Taken; The New Taken
Many generations before the first novel, these Ten powerful wizards were magically bound to the will of the Dominator:

• Soulcatcher
• The Limper
• The Howler
• Shapeshifter
• Stormbringer
• Bonegnasher
• The Hanged Man
• Nightcrawler
• Moonbiter
• The Faceless Man

Then, between the first and the third novels, the Lady replaced those of the Ten who were slain with the following:

• Whisper
• Journey
• Feather
• Blister
• Scorn
• Benefice
• The Creeper
• Learned

And finally the wikipedia Black Company List of characters:

Members of The Black Company

[edit]From the Northern Campaigns

• The Captain: Leader of the Black Company.
• The Lieutenant: His second in command.
• Croaker [most likely just PS's role]: Company's doctor and annalist. As annalist, his is the voice that narrates the stories. Though no specific rank is mentioned, it is likely he ranks as a mid-level officer.
• Silent: Moderately talented wizard named for the fact that he never speaks.
• Goblin: Moderately talented wizard named because of his short stature and his facial features.
• Tom-Tom: Moderately talented wizard named for the instruments he carries and plays to punctuate his speech. Brother of One-Eye.
• One-Eye: Moderately talented wizard named for the fact that he has only one good eye. Brother of Tom-Tom.
• Elmo: Sergeant and Croaker's best friend.
• Murgen: Standard bearer.
• Mercy: Platoon leader.
• Pickles: Company quartermaster.
• Otto: Veteran mercenary.
• Hagop: Veteran mercenary and scout.
• Raven: Northern recruit of former affluence.
• Candy: Veteran mercenary.
• Pawnbroker: Veteran mercenary.
• Kingpin: Veteran mercenary known for laziness.
• Marron Shed: Inn owner from Juniper.

Ok, so the greens, if all present account for 8 of the 13 remaining players. Not listed above but probably player roles include: White Rose, Bormaz (from the OP), and more nameless Rebels (if that is all the info Korbas received on the dead rebel players).

Let's say that there is only one Rebel left to keep them on this list, which then accounts for 11 of the 13 players. Since we haven't heard of any rebel wizards (correct?) I would guess the last two roles are part of the Circle for completeness sake.

That leads me to guess the following faction breakdown:

Soul-catcher's (Lady's) Faction [up to 8 players]
Leadership (1st = Lady, 2nd = Soulcatcher) [2 players]
Taken (The Limper) [1 player]
Misc (Bormaz) [1 player]
BC members [up to 4 players]

Dominator's Faction [1 player]
Leadership (Dominator) [1 player]

Rebellion Faction [2 players]
Leadership (White Rose) [1 player]
The Circle [2 players]
Unnamed Rebels [1 player]

These seem like very uneven teams, which can potentially work if there is 1) a lot of cross recruiting with the Taken, BC, Circle, and Rebels being fair game and/or 2) the smaller factions have a lot of tricks up their sleeves such as a superpower Dom and WR.

I think that the BC is actually smaller (death scene name dropping for story's sake) and the Circle peeps include more players. I also think it is possible the Lady or Soulcatcher don't exist are are just another name place holder.

Ok, this is a long post. I'll back off for a sec.

WR can't lead the Rebellion. she's part of BC, and when she becomes teh Captain of BC, BC BECOMES the Rebellion.

[Mockra]

also: one eye is dead, according to Pinky

[Barghast]

Barghast, on 29 June 2011 - 06:43 PM, said:

Another item to get the names in front of us (Green = maybe in the game as a player and still alive; Red = dead according to Korbas):

Barghast, on 29 June 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

The Ten Who Were Taken; The New Taken
Many generations before the first novel, these Ten powerful wizards were magically bound to the will of the Dominator:

• Soulcatcher
• The Limper
• The Howler
• Shapeshifter
• Stormbringer
• Bonegnasher
• The Hanged Man
• Nightcrawler
• Moonbiter
• The Faceless Man

Then, between the first and the third novels, the Lady replaced those of the Ten who were slain with the following:

• Whisper
• Journey
• Feather
• Blister
• Scorn
• Benefice
• The Creeper
• Learned

And finally the wikipedia Black Company List of characters:

Members of The Black Company

[edit]From the Northern Campaigns

• The Captain: Leader of the Black Company.
• The Lieutenant: His second in command.
• Croaker [most likely just PS's role]: Company's doctor and annalist. As annalist, his is the voice that narrates the stories. Though no specific rank is mentioned, it is likely he ranks as a mid-level officer.
• Silent: Moderately talented wizard named for the fact that he never speaks.
• Goblin: Moderately talented wizard named because of his short stature and his facial features.
• Tom-Tom: Moderately talented wizard named for the instruments he carries and plays to punctuate his speech. Brother of One-Eye.
• One-Eye: Moderately talented wizard named for the fact that he has only one good eye. Brother of Tom-Tom.
• Elmo: Sergeant and Croaker's best friend.
• Murgen: Standard bearer.
• Mercy: Platoon leader.
• Pickles: Company quartermaster.
• Otto: Veteran mercenary.
• Hagop: Veteran mercenary and scout.
• Raven: Northern recruit of former affluence.
• Candy: Veteran mercenary.
• Pawnbroker: Veteran mercenary.
• Kingpin: Veteran mercenary known for laziness.
• Marron Shed: Inn owner from Juniper.

Ok, so the greens, if all present account for 8 of the 13 remaining players. Not listed above but probably player roles include: White Rose, Bormaz (from the OP), and more nameless Rebels (if that is all the info Korbas received on the dead rebel players).

Let's say that there is only one Rebel left to keep them on this list, which then accounts for 11 of the 13 players. Since we haven't heard of any rebel wizards (correct?) I would guess the last two roles are part of the Circle for completeness sake.

That leads me to guess the following faction breakdown:

Soul-catcher's (Lady's) Faction [up to 8 players]
Leadership (1st = Lady, 2nd = Soulcatcher) [2 players]
Taken (The Limper) [1 player]
Misc (Bormaz) [1 player]
BC members [up to 4 players]

Dominator's Faction [1 player]
Leadership (Dominator) [1 player]

Rebellion Faction [2 players]
Leadership (White Rose) [1 player]
The Circle [2 players]
Unnamed Rebels [1 player]

These seem like very uneven teams, which can potentially work if there is 1) a lot of cross recruiting with the Taken, BC, Circle, and Rebels being fair game and/or 2) the smaller factions have a lot of tricks up their sleeves such as a superpower Dom and WR.

I think that the BC is actually smaller (death scene name dropping for story's sake) and the Circle peeps include more players. I also think it is possible the Lady or Soulcatcher don't exist are are just another name place holder.

Ok, this is a long post. I'll back off for a sec.

Ok, One-Eye is marked. I'm a little confused then what to do with your comment Mockra?

Mockra, on 29 June 2011 - 07:04 PM, said:

WR can't lead the Rebellion. she's part of BC, and when she becomes teh Captain of BC, BC BECOMES the Rebellion.

Does this mean that the Rebellion is leaderless or could one of the Circle be a rebellion leader?

Thanks both for help clarifying things.

[Mockra]

Circle lead the rebellion, officially.

though it could all be a plot by the Dominator to overthrow the Lady who's keeping him asleep and bound.


at least, this is all going by book info. but now Taps is trying to tell us we can't rely on book 100%.


i'm working on the proposition that Pinky is telling the truth, trying to fit everyhting in canonically. As of right now, we kow there is a confirmed Soulcatcher's faction, which may include Catcher herself and verious BC members (including WR), the Rebel, and the Dominator's faction.

given how the empire is still known as the Domination, wording becomes important. i'd like Pinky to reiterate Feather's CF, if he may.

[Anthras]

Barghast, on 29 June 2011 - 06:43 PM, said:

That leads me to guess the following faction breakdown:

Soul-catcher's (Lady's) Faction [up to 8 players]
Leadership (1st = Lady, 2nd = Soulcatcher) [2 players]
Taken (The Limper) [1 player]
Misc (Bormaz) [1 player]
BC members [up to 4 players]

Dominator's Faction [1 player]
Leadership (Dominator) [1 player]

Rebellion Faction [2 players]
Leadership (White Rose) [1 player]
The Circle [2 players]
Unnamed Rebels [1 player]

Except, if Korbas is accurate, we know the Dominator's faction has more than just him.

[D'riss]

Well, at least we have stuff to work with. When I read the CFs, what stood out to me were Feather and One-Eye. Feather is a bit early to be in the Dominator's faction, but if he did hold some sway with the Circle (and I think he did behind the scenes mojo) it could make sense. One-Eye as of the Soulcatcher's is one of two things: The Black Company is considered to be a separate faction, Soulcatcher is a seperate faction with the BC, or they are both roled into the Lady's faction but were CF'd that way for a different reason.

Now this second makes a bit of sense, considering the BC unknown in the Empire at the beginning of the book, and were Soulcatcher's gang. They don't became infamous enough until a little later on to be considered their own group.

So, two suspicious CFs for information and two bare-bones CFs for "a rebel." Someone said, too strange to be entirely made-up. I think I agree there. However, that does not negate subtle truth manipulation there as well to hide things.

I see a train on Tellan building. I'll go have a look.

[D'riss]

That didn't take long. I don't have a problem with low-posting, especially when it is because you simply can't be around. I don't find that suspicious. However, not including any material in your posts? That speaks to not wanting to draw attention to yourself, which I do find suspicous.

However, I also find suspicious that Anthras and Korbas are not exactly being careful with their votes, and that Anthras has quickly followed Korbas' vote on HP and today. A lttle obvious perhaps, and I don't see a faction leader drawing the massive target over themselves that Korbas did with the CF'ing. But, in a slow game, it did pop in my head a little bit.

[Tellan]

Right. I see a case has been built on me based on my lack of participation. There's not much I can say in defence of that. I didn't have much to contribute during day 1 I felt and was waiting for what would happen. Then my grandfather broke his leg and as all other family members are out in the middle of godforsaken nowhere I had to take care of everything. The ambulance, my grandmother, the hospital, driving insurance and.. well you get the picture.

Korbas, on 29 June 2011 - 06:15 AM, said:

Hi i'm back. I was looking to give these last night but PS still hasn't got back to me. I hope it is okay to divulge this information.

HP was a rebel and Sorrit was also a Rebel.

Korabas was One Eye of the Soulcatchers

Eloth was Feather of the Dominator.

Now, a CF role like this seems wrong on a structural level, but this is a strange game so let's roll with it for the arguments sake. One Eye of the Soulcatchers? Soulcatcher is a Taken. Why would there be a Soulcatcher faction and why would the black company be a part of it? Wouldn't that be the Lady's faction if anything?

Mind you, it's been years since I read the books so I might've missed some obvious connection there but it seems off.


However, if Korbas is not lying there's some interesting connections to be found. First there's HP's attack on Eloth, claiming that Eloth was a witch early on day 1. That's a pretty good guess and a gutsy claim to make so early based on a single line in the very first post of the thread.

Also, I noted down a situation earlier in the thread (I'll hunt down the post nr in a second) where it seemed to me that Eloth was attempting to signal Korbas. That's especially interesting if Eloth is part of the Dominator faction.

[Tellan]

Ah, here we are. Korbas followed by Eloth. Not much you might say but then in my experience players are generally careful in their choice of words. And Cagey used twice like that just stood out when I read it originally.

Korbas, on 28 June 2011 - 01:53 PM, said:

everyone is being rather cagey, they don't want to lynch wrong and thinking that the odds favour cult at the moment they are holding back. it would have to be an educated guess at this stage and people may not be up for that. who do you think?

Eloth, on 28 June 2011 - 02:01 PM, said:

I dunno...im at a loss really what to do.
People are pretty cagey, plus there are a few people who have to boosted up their post count with all the roleplay banter early on.
Its a bit deceiving

[Tellan]

D, on 29 June 2011 - 08:10 PM, said:

That didn't take long. I don't have a problem with low-posting, especially when it is because you simply can't be around. I don't find that suspicious. However, not including any material in your posts? That speaks to not wanting to draw attention to yourself, which I do find suspicous.

However, I also find suspicious that Anthras and Korbas are not exactly being careful with their votes, and that Anthras has quickly followed Korbas' vote on HP and today. A lttle obvious perhaps, and I don't see a faction leader drawing the massive target over themselves that Korbas did with the CF'ing. But, in a slow game, it did pop in my head a little bit.

There wasn't much material to post. We had no knowledge about factions to speak of. Nothing in the intro scene. We could do some mild speculation for sure, but nothing of value. The interesting stuff started after I got my hands full so to speak. Compare my posting during the time I was there with the others during that time and I doubt you'll find my posts to be more empty than the norm. Rather the opposite I'd say.

[Galain]

Tellan, on 29 June 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

Right. I see a case has been built on me based on my lack of participation. There's not much I can say in defence of that. I didn't have much to contribute during day 1 I felt and was waiting for what would happen. Then my grandfather broke his leg and as all other family members are out in the middle of godforsaken nowhere I had to take care of everything. The ambulance, my grandmother, the hospital, driving insurance and.. well you get the picture.

Korbas, on 29 June 2011 - 06:15 AM, said:

Hi i'm back. I was looking to give these last night but PS still hasn't got back to me. I hope it is okay to divulge this information.

HP was a rebel and Sorrit was also a Rebel.

Korabas was One Eye of the Soulcatchers

Eloth was Feather of the Dominator.

Now, a CF role like this seems wrong on a structural level, but this is a strange game so let's roll with it for the arguments sake. One Eye of the Soulcatchers? Soulcatcher is a Taken. Why would there be a Soulcatcher faction and why would the black company be a part of it? Wouldn't that be the Lady's faction if anything?

Mind you, it's been years since I read the books so I might've missed some obvious connection there but it seems off.


However, if Korbas is not lying there's some interesting connections to be found. First there's HP's attack on Eloth, claiming that Eloth was a witch early on day 1. That's a pretty good guess and a gutsy claim to make so early based on a single line in the very first post of the thread.

Also, I noted down a situation earlier in the thread (I'll hunt down the post nr in a second) where it seemed to me that Eloth was attempting to signal Korbas. That's especially interesting if Eloth is part of the Dominator faction.

What makes you say its a good guess?

[Tellan]

Galain, on 29 June 2011 - 08:31 PM, said:

Tellan, on 29 June 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

Right. I see a case has been built on me based on my lack of participation. There's not much I can say in defence of that. I didn't have much to contribute during day 1 I felt and was waiting for what would happen. Then my grandfather broke his leg and as all other family members are out in the middle of godforsaken nowhere I had to take care of everything. The ambulance, my grandmother, the hospital, driving insurance and.. well you get the picture.

Korbas, on 29 June 2011 - 06:15 AM, said:

Hi i'm back. I was looking to give these last night but PS still hasn't got back to me. I hope it is okay to divulge this information.

HP was a rebel and Sorrit was also a Rebel.

Korabas was One Eye of the Soulcatchers

Eloth was Feather of the Dominator.

Now, a CF role like this seems wrong on a structural level, but this is a strange game so let's roll with it for the arguments sake. One Eye of the Soulcatchers? Soulcatcher is a Taken. Why would there be a Soulcatcher faction and why would the black company be a part of it? Wouldn't that be the Lady's faction if anything?

Mind you, it's been years since I read the books so I might've missed some obvious connection there but it seems off.


However, if Korbas is not lying there's some interesting connections to be found. First there's HP's attack on Eloth, claiming that Eloth was a witch early on day 1. That's a pretty good guess and a gutsy claim to make so early based on a single line in the very first post of the thread.

Also, I noted down a situation earlier in the thread (I'll hunt down the post nr in a second) where it seemed to me that Eloth was attempting to signal Korbas. That's especially interesting if Eloth is part of the Dominator faction.

What makes you say its a good guess?

Because Eloth has been revealed by Korbas to be Feather, a female Taken.

[Mockra]

except... she's not taken at this point, ffs.

[Tellan]

Mockra, on 29 June 2011 - 08:38 PM, said:

except... she's not taken at this point, ffs.

Which point is that then? Do we know where in the series we are?

Surely she would not be of the Dominator before she became Taken?

[Korbas]

Mockra, on 29 June 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

Circle lead the rebellion, officially.

though it could all be a plot by the Dominator to overthrow the Lady who's keeping him asleep and bound.


at least, this is all going by book info. but now Taps is trying to tell us we can't rely on book 100%.


i'm working on the proposition that Pinky is telling the truth, trying to fit everyhting in canonically. As of right now, we kow there is a confirmed Soulcatcher's faction, which may include Catcher herself and verious BC members (including WR), the Rebel, and the Dominator's faction.

given how the empire is still known as the Domination, wording becomes important. i'd like Pinky to reiterate Feather's CF, if he may.

Exact CF received

Eloth was Feather of the fraction of the Dominator and dkt.
Korabas was One-Eye of Soulcatchers fraction and dibs.
Sorrti was a male rebel of the Rebel fraction and Muttley.