[Ampelas]

Mockra, on 29 June 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

hmm



BC was originally hired by soul Catcher--so that actually checks out.


whomever is saying Feather was working for the Lady--dead wrong. Feather was the best of the Rebel's generals. then BC captured her, and she became a Taken.

but this actually backs up the "Circle is owned by the Dominator" theory.



now I hope to god we have a healer to keep Pinky alive.....

So you are saying that Pinky's reveal does check out? Did you get this from the wiki or is this knowledge you know from reading the books?

[Tapper]

It is Day 2. 16 hours and 4 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Antrhas, Barghast, D'riss, Galain, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Tellan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Tellan ( Korbas, Ampelas )

Players not voted: Antrhas, Barghast, D'riss, Galain, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Tellan

[Ampelas]

Here are my post analysis from the four mentioned low posters

Tellan:
First 3 posts = garbage
Next post is about faction distribution
Next 3 posts = garbage
Next post is clarification regarding cult for Galain
Then he throws his hands up in the air saying Now What? without giving any suggestions

Liosan
First post most likely a joke post
Next 4 posts = garbage
Next post regarding TDMI not very helpful
Gives an anlaysis of where we are regarding game setup
Then comments on Ruses Analysis of lack of CF Agrees with Omtose regarding 1 man team or off thread linked team that would benefit from lack of CF
Complains of Lurkers

Ruse
First post = garbage
Next 3 posts = quality post
Then he agrees with a Sorrit post Posts about HP fear mongering and accusation of misinformation
Then his reaction to no CFs
Then analysis lack of CFs
Then responds to peoples comments about his coments regarding lynching

Rashan
First post not garbage
Next 3 posts = garbage
First post of quality gives opinion regarding factions
Then informs people that HP wouldn't be back to defend himself before Day times out.
Then he comments on my comments about pinky's vote on Omtose
Next post he sets himself up to check himself out of the action = garbage post
Then says he's getting called away and throws down a vote for HP as the most likely lynch canidate

So of all of the low posters Ruse has provided the most quality of posts while Tellan hasn't said anything of value all game long with Rashan and Liosan falling right in the middle of the two. So I think I will have to agree with Pinky. We should put some pressure on Tellan. How can you go this long into a game and not provide anything of value?

Vote Tellan

Edit: Added line for clarification

[Korbas]

That's some impressive leg work Amp.


I would say that although my vote is on Tellan to apply some pressure and see if any reasonable posts come away. I am not 100% on a low poster hit yet i would prefer more posts of value and although the main guy may be a bit higher up the ladder there is no one that is standing out to me at the moment, just a few hints here and there but nothing of substance.

[Ampelas]

Why thank you. But because of the time I put into that I now need to do work related stuff.

[Barghast]

Ok so just to put it here for reference, our two death scenes:

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 hour and 7 minutes remaining
17 Players still alive: Ampelas, Antrhas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Hood's Path, Korabas, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Sorrit, Tellan

9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night.

9 Votes for Hood's Path ( Galain, Osseric, Omtose, Rashan, Korbas, Antrhas, Sorrit, Mockra, Barghast )
1 Vote for Omtose ( Korabas )

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Eloth, Hood's Path, Liosan, Ruse, Tellan

On command of the Lady we are trying to find the Limper and join forces with him. At one point we nearly have him. WE get to a place were the Limper and the Rebel clashed recently.
One point attracts my attentioen. The ground is burned in a perfect circle and in this circle there were some badly burned corpses.
"How?" I ask Goblin who is standing next to me.
But it is Raven who answers. "The Limper."


Hood's Path is dead.

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2011 - 07:20 PM, said:

Elmostudied the ground "It looks like there are still a lot of rebel forcesaround."

Thecaptain nodded.

Wetried to follow the Limper but soon we run into the first Rebel andhad to fight.

Afterthe clash the captain decided to no longer follow the Limper. Instead we willgo around if we can.





Eloth is dead.

Korabas is dead

Sorrit is dead

And just so we have the wikipedia Ten info in front of us:

The Ten Who Were Taken; The New Taken
Many generations before the first novel, these Ten powerful wizards were magically bound to the will of the Dominator:

• Soulcatcher
• The Limper
• The Howler
• Shapeshifter
• Stormbringer
• Bonegnasher
• The Hanged Man
• Nightcrawler
• Moonbiter
• The Faceless Man

Then, between the first and the third novels, the Lady replaced those of the Ten who were slain with the following:

• Whisper
• Journey
• Feather
• Blister
• Scorn
• Benefice
• The Creeper
• Learned

And finally the wikipedia Black Company List of characters:

Members of The Black Company

[edit]From the Northern Campaigns

• The Captain: Leader of the Black Company.
• The Lieutenant: His second in command.
• Croaker: Company's doctor and annalist. As annalist, his is the voice that narrates the stories. Though no specific rank is mentioned, it is likely he ranks as a mid-level officer.
• Silent: Moderately talented wizard named for the fact that he never speaks.
• Goblin: Moderately talented wizard named because of his short stature and his facial features.
• Tom-Tom: Moderately talented wizard named for the instruments he carries and plays to punctuate his speech. Brother of One-Eye.
• One-Eye: Moderately talented wizard named for the fact that he has only one good eye. Brother of Tom-Tom.
• Elmo: Sergeant and Croaker's best friend.
• Murgen: Standard bearer.
• Mercy: Platoon leader.
• Pickles: Company quartermaster.
• Otto: Veteran mercenary.
• Hagop: Veteran mercenary and scout.
• Raven: Northern recruit of former affluence.
• Candy: Veteran mercenary.
• Pawnbroker: Veteran mercenary.
• Kingpin: Veteran mercenary known for laziness.
• Marron Shed: Inn owner from Juniper.

Speculation, comments, etc to follow in my next post, currently under construction.

edit: missed the second death scene, damn it...

This post has been edited by Barghast: 29 June 2011 - 03:51 PM

[Barghast]

Korbas, on 29 June 2011 - 06:15 AM, said:

Hi i'm back. I was looking to give these last night but PS still hasn't got backto me. I hope it is okay to divulge this information.

HP was a rebel and Sorrit was also a Rebel.

Korabas was One Eye of the Soulcatchers

Eloth was Feather of the Dominator.

Korbas, on 29 June 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

Galain, on 29 June 2011 - 12:07 PM, said:

Everybody is awfully trusting of this reveal by Korbas.

One Eye was a member of the Black Company

not many people have commented on it though have they?



Hp was Gwynn

eloth was dkt

korabas was dibs

sorrit was muttley.

fact.

Again, for putting it all in front of me in one spot. More of my own input to follow shortly...

edit: missing spaces and poor formating from DAMN MS WORD!!!

This post has been edited by Barghast: 29 June 2011 - 03:56 PM

[Mockra]

Ampelas, on 29 June 2011 - 03:16 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 June 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

hmm



BC was originally hired by soul Catcher--so that actually checks out.


whomever is saying Feather was working for the Lady--dead wrong. Feather was the best of the Rebel's generals. then BC captured her, and she became a Taken.

but this actually backs up the "Circle is owned by the Dominator" theory.



now I hope to god we have a healer to keep Pinky alive.....

So you are saying that Pinky's reveal does check out? Did you get this from the wiki or is this knowledge you know from reading the books?

this is all book stuff. which is why i'm questioning Omtose and his Wiki-fu.
based on the PS scenes, the BC hasn't linked up with the Limper yet. therefore, it's too early for Feather to be taken (that happens after Rebel kills one of the original Taken, and Feather is captured as a replacement). so it makes sense for her to be anti-Lady, and if the Circle is masteminded by the Dominator, well then Pinky checks out.

[Barghast]

Ok, first of all, there are too many complex details in the reveal (some of which are counter intuitive and thus would be risky for Pinky to "make up" unless he was really good at manipulating fellow players reactions) from Pinky to completely discount his claims of CF.

Second, I don't believe he is the only one with this ability and in fact, I really like the idea that someone is obfuscating the CF details in PS posts.

Third, I wonder what other abilities Pinky has since I still believe there are some superpowers active in the game.

That all being said, my gut is churning in suspicion of Pinky. To which faction does he belong? Does this reveal actually gel with his VCs? Why is he so chummy when if this is a multiple faction game, there are more than likely multiple enemies after Pinky. Its comments like the red highlight below:

Mockra, on 29 June 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

hmm

BCwas originally hired by soul Catcher--so that actually checks out.

whomeveris saying Feather was working for the Lady--dead wrong. Feather was the best ofthe Rebel's generals. then BC captured her, and she became a Taken.

butthis actually backs up the "Circle is owned by the Dominator" theory.

nowI hope to god we have a healer to keep Pinky alive.....

that make me exceptionally wary. Being necessary, even with a hint of perpetual suspicion, is a good way to fly free and clear, and seems like an idea situation for one with a lot of power who wants to hang in there till a time-lock is sprung (WR or Dominator). Hell, the Lady also could be a power position that needs to work the playing field.

So for the time being, I will go with the flow, speculate like everyone else (again, more to follow that is not about Korbas), but I think Korbas needs to be put to the test and even perhaps lumped with a faction with all the info he's given us. That's the start of my thoughts, with a lot more thinking needed here.

[Ruse]

Korbas, on 29 June 2011 - 06:15 AM, said:

Hi i'm back. I was looking to give these last night but PS still hasn't got back to me. I hope it is okay to divulge this information.

HP was a rebel and Sorrit was also a Rebel.

Korabas was One Eye of the Soulcatchers

Eloth was Feather of the Dominator.

One Eye of the Soulcatchers? That sounds very, very off to me. I agree with Mockra that the book information seems centered on the first novel, and Soulcatcher is very much a Taken and aligned with the Lady for the majority of the book (from the reader's perspective). It makes no sense to me why the Taken would be referred to as anything else, and Soulcatcher having his own faction would be bizarre (unless this is somehow the subfaction within the Taken that is plotting against the Lady/BC...).

Mockra's also correct about the details of Feather and the Circle and the Dominator. However, the Korabas business does not line up at all. One Eye is a wizard in the Black Company...he has a lot of interaction with Soulcatcher, but nothing to suggest he would be part of his "faction." This is even more complicated by One Eye's revelation about his brother's killer later on (avoiding spoilers for those who haven't read).

I'll be around later but it's a tough day for me.

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 29 June 2011 - 10:57 AM, said:

I'm here now. Thank you for shedding light Korbas. So I was right that HP was a rebel. Eloth being "of the Dominator" is good info too, so he starts with a faction, unless he was a day 1 recruit (unlikely).

What I don't get, is

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Korabas was One Eye of the Soulcatchers

That sounds like a soulcatcher faction, not a character named soulcatcher.

Was Soulcatcher a Taken who conspired heavily against the Lady, thus making them a potential separate faction?

Edited to ask: in the book I mean

I agree that that third faction is a little fishy (which is why it might just be that way...) but what also gets me is the fact that a battle between BC and the Rebels turns up not 2 but 3 factions. And there is the added point that none of the kills are from the same faction. So does this mean we have a coincidence or three NKers with the foreknowledge to judge who is not in their faction?

Again, before I continue, I have not read the books so bear with me. Why are the three factions Rebels, Soulcatchers, and Dominator? Is the Soulcatchers the name of the Lady's faction? Are the later two both hidden within the BC?

And one more thing, I just had an oh shit moment. Someone noticed there is a Faceless Man listed among the original 10 right?

Mockra, on 29 June 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

hmm



BC was originally hired by soul Catcher--so that actually checks out.


whomever is saying Feather was working for the Lady--dead wrong. Feather was the best of the Rebel's generals. then BC captured her, and she became a Taken.

but this actually backs up the "Circle is owned by the Dominator" theory.



now I hope to god we have a healer to keep Pinky alive.....

[Mockra]

except the mafia definition of a Faceless man comes from ASOIAF, not BC.



also, Soulcatcher was a taken. She recruited BC to fight for the Lady. However, she is also the Lady's sister and crazy. and because the Lady doesn't really get actively involved a lot in Book 1, all of ther orders are relayed to BC thru Soul Catcher.



given that most of the Taken bicker and fight amongst themselves (the Limper hates the BC, for instance), i'm not that surprised with One Eye, a prominent BC member being referred to as one of the Catcher's people.


keep in mind, Rebellion is like a Civil war. and the Lady's regime relies on the taken, who are ambitious and bicker amongs themselves a lot... there's a lot of infighting and intrigue.

[Liosan]

Nice write up Ampelas. That was a pretty fun read through to catch up. I see that Korbas (I refuse to call him pinky because the other K name is no longer in play, and I am cocky like that) has a super cool power, one that according to Ruse is a bit skewed according to the books.

I have a theory that Korbas has the ability he says he does, but changed the info a little on Korabas, due to some variable (likely having to do with Korabas being some type of leader/powerful force, in Korbas' own faction). It stands to reason for instance that when Korbas gets the name of the player he can put that together with his own faction based on book knowledge/wiki/etc.

[Tapper]

Perhaps just to fuck with your minds, perhaps to make matters worse, perhaps to put in a word of caution, perhaps even to give a tiny, tiny tip: you do know that 'book' can also refer to a physical entity of pages surrounded by a cover, and that 'omnibus' is a kind of representation of such a thing, right? Cook is hard to find in Europe in anything other than collected volumes.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 29 June 2011 - 05:10 PM

[Mockra]

i'm pretty sure anyone who's read cook in the last 4 years had to get an Omnibus. In fact, I have the 3 Omnibuses sitting on my shelf as we speak (the fourth one that came out last year is back in Uni)



based on the scenes so far, we are still in book 1, "the Black Company", though i'm assuming spoilers can go as far as the end of "the White Rose"

[Tapper]

Mockra, on 29 June 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

i'm pretty sure anyone who's read cook in the last 4 years had to get an Omnibus. In fact, I have the 3 Omnibuses sitting on my shelf as we speak (the fourth one that came out last year is back in Uni)

'zactly.

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based on the scenes so far, we are still in book 1, "the Black Company", though i'm assuming spoilers can go as far as the end of "the White Rose"

Were I you, and I'm not, I wouldn't expect the game to be set up to start off/ continue to progress completely linear to the books. Just to illustrate: to let you in on a secret: there's no forvalaka in this game, for one

[Barghast]

Tapper, on 29 June 2011 - 05:09 PM, said:

Perhaps just to fuck with your minds, perhaps to make matters worse, perhaps to put in a word of caution, perhaps even to give a tiny, tiny tip: you do know that 'book' can also refer to a physical entity of pages surrounded by a cover, and that 'omnibus' is a kind of representation of such a thing, right? Cook is hard to find in Europe in anything other than collected volumes.

Ok this confirms to me that something is wrong with our current line of reasoning or that we are tempting fate in a certain thought chain.

[Mockra]

so now we're going backwards?


you bastards! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE TIMELINE???????

[Tapper]

Mockra, on 29 June 2011 - 05:27 PM, said:

so now we're going backwards?


you bastards! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE TIMELINE???????

The timeline is not important, the timeline is not important, the timeline is not important.

Hey, SE learned that from Cook

[Galain]

Liosan, on 29 June 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

Nice write up Ampelas. That was a pretty fun read through to catch up. I see that Korbas (I refuse to call him pinky because the other K name is no longer in play, and I am cocky like that) has a super cool power, one that according to Ruse is a bit skewed according to the books.

I have a theory that Korbas has the ability he says he does, but changed the info a little on Korabas, due to some variable (likely having to do with Korabas being some type of leader/powerful force, in Korbas' own faction). It stands to reason for instance that when Korbas gets the name of the player he can put that together with his own faction based on book knowledge/wiki/etc.

I think I grudgingly agree with this. It's too much info to just make up. I also think Korbas has changed somthing to benefit his faction, and if we could figure what that is, it would tell us which faction he belongs to.