[Alkend]

Okaros, on 16 June 2011 - 12:54 PM, said:

morning all

looks like we've hit anohter cult. Sweet.

unfortunately, I've gotta run, will be out for part of the day. i'll post more when I get back.

not saying your cult, not saying anything about game play but these types of posts are useless. no one is fingering you, and it is only the beginning of the day, so yeah it will be good to see you come back on later and contribute a bit more than this

[Tiamatha]

Fener, on 16 June 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

Well its getting fairly obvious to me now that you are trumpet tiam, that or you seem to have a winning condition that does not include the cult. Im just not sure you realise how much of a threat the cult really is. If we start gunning for umcp and umc then we are not only letting the current cult keep their numbers they are also going to be growing every day unopposed. Its not like we have been actively searching for trumpet anyways. Lynches have unfortunately just ended up being that way. Looks like trumpet is in the majority and most likely to be lynched more often as well as probably where the cult will be getting their recruits from. At this point if we don't take out the cult they will grow very strong very quickly and they will have a big voting block before you know it and win the game. Cult is the main threat to all the other factions... Period.

ok, so then how do we identify cult? esp a recruiter who doesn't want to get knocked off since they are probably amnion's last hope right now.

[D'riss]

Ok end of lunch break is here. I skimmed up.
I dont understand how we hit another trumpet, as I have both Fener and Tiam being trumpet as well.
Whoever is killing cultists at night, I love you.
It looked like, as someone else noted, that Gamelon was gently trying to put us towards Tiam, I don't think at this point that it was distancing.
Who was it that mentioned that the cult could only recruit once every 2 nights? That is some pretty specific information...
Also, I'm wondering if there wasn't one cult leader (Game) and some sort of symp not quite Amniotic but close, at the beginning of the game, which would then provide the trumpet with more than the 'standard' four players? Especially with that list put up by ... someone... of distinct names in the series, there were a lot more 'trumpet' (pirates/illegals) names than amnion or UMC.

[Alkend]

@Tiam - are you saying you are trumpet?

[D'riss]

D, on 16 June 2011 - 01:50 PM, said:

Also, I'm wondering if there wasn't one cult leader (Game) and some sort of symp not quite Amniotic but close, at the beginning of the game, which would then provide the trumpet with more than the 'standard' four players? Especially with that list put up by ... someone... of distinct names in the series, there were a lot more 'trumpet' (pirates/illegals) names than amnion or UMC.

Except this dosen't make sense because there was one more amnion name on the list put up.... I need to get back to work. Can someone count the names on the list put up of 'major characters' and see if we have the same number as the number of starting players? be back later.

[Fener]

Tiamatha, on 16 June 2011 - 01:38 PM, said:

Fener, on 16 June 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

Well its getting fairly obvious to me now that you are trumpet tiam, that or you seem to have a winning condition that does not include the cult. Im just not sure you realise how much of a threat the cult really is. If we start gunning for umcp and umc then we are not only letting the current cult keep their numbers they are also going to be growing every day unopposed. Its not like we have been actively searching for trumpet anyways. Lynches have unfortunately just ended up being that way. Looks like trumpet is in the majority and most likely to be lynched more often as well as probably where the cult will be getting their recruits from. At this point if we don't take out the cult they will grow very strong very quickly and they will have a big voting block before you know it and win the game. Cult is the main threat to all the other factions... Period.

ok, so then how do we identify cult? esp a recruiter who doesn't want to get knocked off since they are probably amnion's last hope right now.

well we sure as shit don't find him by focusing on the umcp!... Which is why im a bit miffed at what you are suggesting.

[Tiamatha]

Alkend, on 16 June 2011 - 01:50 PM, said:

@Tiam - are you saying you are trumpet?

i mean i have been hinting at that all game, and i guess i should just reveal and say yes im trumpet (i haven't enjoyed seeing my team knocked off). unfortunately, im not sure how many of my team members there are left, so im at a loss at that. and yes fener, i still, and always, have agreed amnion need to go. i just don't want to keep lynching my own team mates and then have umpc or umc swoop in to win the game. but yeah, im sure this reveal doesn't really do much for anyone since i could be lying, but currently, if you can believe me, i am just a trumpet

[Karatallid]

Nice to see that another cultist was NK'd

Fener, on 16 June 2011 - 12:23 PM, said:

Ugh... So because ruse mentioned me i am now supposedly the likely cult?. Sigh...i suppose i would be looking at me too so i can't fault you there. Well there is not much i cant do or say that changes that. Im not cult. He simply stated what a few others also said about my and eloth's little scrap yesterday. And since we where the main focus its not unreasonable that he would mention or side with one of us. If he had agree'd the other way around we would be looking at eloth now... Wat ever...

It's more that first Ruse gets called out for distracting from you and then Gamelon plays that down.

Tiamatha, on 16 June 2011 - 12:47 PM, said:

awake, and done reading over,

first, wanted to point out that there was only 1 death in the night phase, which makes me wonder (if the killers can do so each night) if Game was one of the NKers
second, i am starting to wonder how many trumpet people there really are. seems like you can't turn without bumping into one

I get the feeling that the trumpets started as the biggest fraction. Probably they where ment to be recruitment fodder.

Tiamatha, on 16 June 2011 - 01:38 PM, said:

Fener, on 16 June 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

Well its getting fairly obvious to me now that you are trumpet tiam, that or you seem to have a winning condition that does not include the cult. Im just not sure you realise how much of a threat the cult really is. If we start gunning for umcp and umc then we are not only letting the current cult keep their numbers they are also going to be growing every day unopposed. Its not like we have been actively searching for trumpet anyways. Lynches have unfortunately just ended up being that way. Looks like trumpet is in the majority and most likely to be lynched more often as well as probably where the cult will be getting their recruits from. At this point if we don't take out the cult they will grow very strong very quickly and they will have a big voting block before you know it and win the game. Cult is the main threat to all the other factions... Period.

ok, so then how do we identify cult? esp a recruiter who doesn't want to get knocked off since they are probably amnion's last hope right now.

Which fraction would you go for instead of cult?, despite the fact that they are the most dangerous And how are we to hit them? We are just as clueless as we are with the Amnion or even more so as we don't have anyone CFed as UMC or UMCP?

D, on 16 June 2011 - 01:50 PM, said:

Ok end of lunch break is here. I skimmed up.
I dont understand how we hit another trumpet, as I have both Fener and Tiam being trumpet as well.
Whoever is killing cultists at night, I love you.
It looked like, as someone else noted, that Gamelon was gently trying to put us towards Tiam, I don't think at this point that it was distancing.
Who was it that mentioned that the cult could only recruit once every 2 nights? That is some pretty specific information...
Also, I'm wondering if there wasn't one cult leader (Game) and some sort of symp not quite Amniotic but close, at the beginning of the game, which would then provide the trumpet with more than the 'standard' four players? Especially with that list put up by ... someone... of distinct names in the series, there were a lot more 'trumpet' (pirates/illegals) names than amnion or UMC.

wut? Did I miss something or why is Ferner trumpet in your eyes?

[Karatallid]

D, on 16 June 2011 - 02:02 PM, said:

D, on 16 June 2011 - 01:50 PM, said:

Also, I'm wondering if there wasn't one cult leader (Game) and some sort of symp not quite Amniotic but close, at the beginning of the game, which would then provide the trumpet with more than the 'standard' four players? Especially with that list put up by ... someone... of distinct names in the series, there were a lot more 'trumpet' (pirates/illegals) names than amnion or UMC.

Except this dosen't make sense because there was one more amnion name on the list put up.... I need to get back to work. Can someone count the names on the list put up of 'major characters' and see if we have the same number as the number of starting players? be back later.

There are 22 names in that list, only couting Ruse once.

[Fener]

Tiam you have to have the view of siding with the lesser of two evils. We all know that any game with cult in is almost a forgone conclusion. That is how strong they can be. So the rest of the factions invariably have to team up to take them out. It sucks that we have been lynching trumpet! But its not like anyone is doing it on purpose. I could be trumpet too you know. I just know where the biggest threat is right now. And that is the ever growing cult. As the cult get bigger we all get smaller. Every time they recruit they get a 2 vote swing to protect their leader. And its shameful to say that if not for the vigs we would be looking pretty bad right now. Cult would be about 5 players strong and counting. We can't start to lose focus when we got them under the thumb. I understand you are worried about the other tribes right now but im fairly sure its in all the tribes interest to get cult killed first and not the trumpet.

[Anomandaris]

Morning all.

Tiamatha, on 16 June 2011 - 12:47 PM, said:

awake, and done reading over,

first, wanted to point out that there was only 1 death in the night phase, which makes me wonder (if the killers can do so each night) if Game was one of the NKers
second, i am starting to wonder how many trumpet people there really are. seems like you can't turn without bumping into one

so i am thinking that our magic savior who has eliminated two amnion so far is actually UMCP or UMC (the ship that crashed into the amnion ship was UMCP). what i can't figure out is if the person knocking of amnion was aboard a crashing ship, how did they survive? could it be a UMCP admiral or something that directs ships and doesn't need to be on them?

anyways, i also am apparently doing a bang up job in my voting, knocking off RIs and not leaders as i hope. yet, i still think we need to hear more from Kara, Lio and Kal today. low posters may all be trumpet as eloth speculated, but i still want to pressure them to get some input. i'm nervous about just a few people running the show and leading the conversations

ok, so again, i harp on the same thing i have always harped on, the other factions. we seem to be doing an excellent job of eliminating trumpet and our magic killer has got the amnion covered thusfar (i understand there is still a high likelihood of a recruiter dancing around, btw), so are we going to spend the rest of the game trying to figure out who's cult?!

i know that is going to be construed as deflecting away attention from amnion, so here and now i want to emphasize that yes amnion are still a risk to us and we need to keep vigilant to stop them, but seeing that there are a limited amount of players in this game, why have the only two factions that have been cf'ed so far amnion and trumpet? we shouldn't ignore amnion, but seriously, let's start looking in other directions too damn it

We don't know that any of them were "RIs". We speculated that the first trumpet who died was likely a healer or deprogrammer, and the others could easily be roled, too. The decrease in NKs from 2 to 1 could also indicate one of the dead trumpeters was a killer. I wouldn't count on it yet, though, could easily have been a night 1 vig or if there are still 2 killers a guard, heal or BP last night. After a couple more days we'll have a better idea. If the trumpets did have a kill and he is dead now, though, then there other roles were probably not super great to balance the faction and therefore they'd be totally emasculated now.

D, on 16 June 2011 - 01:50 PM, said:

Ok end of lunch break is here. I skimmed up.
I dont understand how we hit another trumpet, as I have both Fener and Tiam being trumpet as well.
Whoever is killing cultists at night, I love you.
It looked like, as someone else noted, that Gamelon was gently trying to put us towards Tiam, I don't think at this point that it was distancing.
Who was it that mentioned that the cult could only recruit once every 2 nights? That is some pretty specific information...
Also, I'm wondering if there wasn't one cult leader (Game) and some sort of symp not quite Amniotic but close, at the beginning of the game, which would then provide the trumpet with more than the 'standard' four players? Especially with that list put up by ... someone... of distinct names in the series, there were a lot more 'trumpet' (pirates/illegals) names than amnion or UMC.

There again is that 'symp' word - I am not sure it means what you think it means.

[Alkend]

and if i think you are lying tiam?

[Alkend]

you know guys i have had tiam pegged as town and defended him a few times yet that post admitting he is trumpet doesn't sit right with me at all, i have thought that the team with the crazy win conditions would be ump or umpc, where as amnion need majority and trumpet need to be rid of amnion, that is how is see it

[Alkend]

back in a couple of hours

[Anomandaris]

I've filled in some more info into Eloth's list, since especially for the spacers, Morn and Davies things do not fit so great into a faction.

Eloth, on 16 June 2011 - 09:41 AM, said:

Character list taken from the wiki (duplicated ruse as he appears under spacers and looked like a recruit in his cf). Looks like one other major amnion then is on the hitlist apologies for weird formatting.


SPACERS

• Captain Angus Thermopyle - attacks a UMC station early in the first book, rapes and tortures Morn, turned into a cyborg and controlled by the UMCP, sent on the Trumpet
• Captain Nick Succorso - pirate captain of the ship Captain's Fancy, runs around all over the place and deals with everyone, is aboard the Trumpet later in the book, his crew hates him
• Mikka Vasaczk - crew member of Captain's Fancy
• Ciro "Pup" Vasaczk - crew member of Captain's Fancy
• Dr. Vector Shaheed (merrid) - crew member of Captain's Fancy
• Sib Mackern (serc) - crew member of Captain's Fancy
• 
  

UMCP (rank and file)

• Morn Hyland - Protaganist, gets captured and raped by Angus, has emotion-suppressing cybernetic implant thingy, then shacks up with Nick Succorso, has Angus' baby but the Amnion rapid-grow it to 16 years old and copy her brain into it, spends most time on board the Captain's Fancy or Trumpet
• Captain Davies Hyland (Senior)
• Captain Dolph Ubikwe

Amnion

• Milos Taverner - human, UMPC person captaining(?) the Trumpet and in control of cyborg-Angus, later turns out to be an Amnion double agent
• Marc Vestabule (gamelon) - an actual Amnion (I think), captain of the Amnion ship Calm Horizons, tries to kill the Earth government with big lasers
  
• Captain Sorus Chatelaine (ruse) - captain of the ship Soar, human but works for the Amnion, goes around fucking shit up for Nick Succorso and the Trumpet people

Other characters

• Davies Hyland (Junior) (HP) - Morn Hyland + Angus' baby, rapid-grown by Amnions and imprinted with Morn's mind, totally random dude who affiliates with everyone and no one, spends lots of time on the Trumpet

Earth

UMC

• Cleatus Fane -
• Holt Fasner -

UMCP (leadership)

• Warden Dios -
• Min Donner -
• Hashi Lebwohl -
• Koina Hannish -
• Godsen Frik -

Other characters

• Captain Sixten Vertigus -
• Maxim Igensard -

Since there's no pirate faction and based on Merrid and Serc being Trumpets, I'd guess that Nick and the Vasaczk (if they're in the game) are Trumpets too. Morn and Angus are the big question marks, to me - they could be Trumpet members, or they might be UMPC, or one of each. Haven't read the books but it doesn't seem they have any major Amnion or UMC connections, though.

[Tiamatha]

Alkend, on 16 June 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

you know guys i have had tiam pegged as town and defended him a few times yet that post admitting he is trumpet doesn't sit right with me at all, i have thought that the team with the crazy win conditions would be ump or umpc, where as amnion need majority and trumpet need to be rid of amnion, that is how is see it

you asked, i answered (fairly low risk considering that i have been probably pretty obvious since i am not that great at subtly). i am glad, btw, that you gave your opinion of VCs. hopefully, that will ring a bell with one of the groups so that either they peg you as one or the other faction.

[Anomandaris]

Alkend, on 16 June 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

you know guys i have had tiam pegged as town and defended him a few times yet that post admitting he is trumpet doesn't sit right with me at all, i have thought that the team with the crazy win conditions would be ump or umpc, where as amnion need majority and trumpet need to be rid of amnion, that is how is see it

as town? how do you peg someone down as town in a 4-faction game with no discernible town and scum?

[Alkend]

well ano, i'm thinking as we are going to kill of the cult and we have 3 factions united against removing cult that i was refrring to them as town. have you read the thread we discussed why i thought kalse and tiam were more likely to be town imo, and town as in one of the 3 faction rather than cult.

[Kalse]

Trying to get caught up, haven't been on since the server went down ...

Alkend, on 16 June 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

you know guys i have had tiam pegged as town and defended him a few times yet that post admitting he is trumpet doesn't sit right with me at all, i have thought that the team with the crazy win conditions would be ump or umpc, where as amnion need majority and trumpet need to be rid of amnion, that is how is see it

There's no such thing as town in this game - people who keep referring to "town" and "scum" are really making me suspicious, because they seem to have a "good guys vs. bad guys" mind-set, that might come from being one of the cultists.

And Tiam came across heavily as Trumpet a few times, it's already been pointed out. His admission is not hard to believe.

[Alkend]

Kalse, on 16 June 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

Trying to get caught up, haven't been on since the server went down ...

Alkend, on 16 June 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

you know guys i have had tiam pegged as town and defended him a few times yet that post admitting he is trumpet doesn't sit right with me at all, i have thought that the team with the crazy win conditions would be ump or umpc, where as amnion need majority and trumpet need to be rid of amnion, that is how is see it

There's no such thing as town in this game - people who keep referring to "town" and "scum" are really making me suspicious, because they seem to have a "good guys vs. bad guys" mind-set, that might come from being one of the cultists.

And Tiam came across heavily as Trumpet a few times, it's already been pointed out. His admission is not hard to believe.

well my win condition is to eliminate amnion and my team wins. if he was trumpet then that would be his win condition too.