[Barghast]

Eloth, on 16 June 2011 - 11:14 AM, said:

Barghast, on 16 June 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

Eloth, on 16 June 2011 - 11:01 AM, said:

you misunderstand me so maybe i wasnt very clear. Ruse was vengeance. all i am saying is they used the books to choose a character who got recruited in the books as the original recruit. the puppet was just an example of how things are done occassionally and was describing a m&p game not a faction game. The chances that someone who was both recruited and killed on ngiht one was the same character recruited in the books is very slim imo.

But he wasn't - I said that because your post had Ruse's character under both factions and got confused. Unless he did actually also get recruited in the books?

no i said i wasnt sure were he started so duplicated him into amnion to show his cf, but in the wiki he is down as a spacer. Someone else referenced him earlier to say int he books he starts out as a captain but was captured and converted in the books which is wehre the coincidences started. That makes me think he started amnion rather than was recruited. i dont think i am explaining myself well here sorry.

Yes - I said that because of your post that had Ruse's name under both the spacer and Amnion factions. I thought that was how it was on the wiki and that he was predominant in both factions in the books, not realising you had put his name down twice.

[Fener]

ah fuck... No luck. Getting phone next week.

[Barghast]

Eloth, on 16 June 2011 - 11:18 AM, said:

Barghast, on 16 June 2011 - 11:12 AM, said:

In either case you're not making much sense - how could Vengeance also be a puppet? Why even bring it up if it isn't possible?

i said that in m&p games we used to start with the death scene of an alt who obviously wasnt associated with a player hence the term puppet. The reaosn i mentioned it was to say thats its not unlikely that vengeance started out as amnion, but within that faction he was essentially a recruit as the character he was is listed as a spacer, and in the books was made into an amnion agent. This 'action' essentially takes place before the game begins in the context of the games story. that way when another person is recruited they would have been told you are now amnion, ruse is in your faction and so if unrecruited they would only know another recruit and not the recruiter.

is that clearer?

Not really. If Ruse had started as Amnion, he still wouldn't have been a puppet. A puppet is an alt controlled by the mods. Ruse was controlled by Vengeance and could not in any terms have been considered a puppet alt. Unless you are saying that Vengeance is somehow still in control of another alt? I think you are getting more than a bit confused here - it is unlikely that Ruse started as Amnion and much more likely that he was just the first night recruit.

[Fener]

Ok i get it. You are saying ruse could be the 1st cult member in a daisy chain style cult setup. Where one cult member only knows the recruit before him. Fair enough.

[Barghast]

Fener, on 16 June 2011 - 11:29 AM, said:

Ok i get it. You are saying ruse could be the 1st cult member in a daisy chain style cult setup. Where one cult member only knows the recruit before him. Fair enough.

I understand that part too, the point I'm trying to make is that Eloth's assumption that this is the case was based on my statement about Ruse being recruited in the books, which was incorrectly based on the (editted) wiki entry Eloth posted. Can everyone disregard that until someone who has actually read the books can clear things up?

[Alkend]

why are you both talking about ruse and which team he started on or what position he started? the cf states that he was a captain doesn't it? are you trying to figure out if he was recruited on the same night he was killed? that seems unlikely to me

you are both going back and forth with something you can not be sure about

[Fener]

You can't be sure about anything in this game. I don't see anything wrong with us discussing it.

[Barghast]

Alkend, on 16 June 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

why are you both talking about ruse and which team he started on or what position he started? the cf states that he was a captain doesn't it? are you trying to figure out if he was recruited on the same night he was killed? that seems unlikely to me

you are both going back and forth with something you can not be sure about

I don't think it's unlikely he was recruited and killed on the same night though. It's happened in the past, although admittedly I don't recall it happening on night one. Ruse was a lowish poster who had contributed a bit without really making waves - a good way for cult to play. The vig and recruiter could have targeted him for this reason. I think it's way more logical than talk of puppet alts or deductions based on my admittedly faulty statement.

[Path-Shaper]

when we meet captian sorus (vengence) in the book, she is a human who has been poisoned with a delayed action amnion mutagen. the amnion give her a 24 hour anti dote, if she wants to stay human, she has to do exactly what they say.

so while she is a pirate, she is on the amnion side, which is why she CF as amnion

[Barghast]

Path-Shaper, on 16 June 2011 - 11:44 AM, said:

when we meet captian sorus (vengence) in the book, she is a human who has been poisoned with a delayed action amnion mutagen. the amnion give her a 24 hour anti dote, if she wants to stay human, she has to do exactly what they say.

so while she is a pirate, she is on the amnion side, which is why she CF as amnion

Ok, I think it's best if everyone disregard's all the stuff I said since Eloth posted the wiki entry as I am just confusing things and obviously shouldn't make assumptions when I don't actually know what's going on.

Ruse was recruited before the start of the game. Got it.

[Alkend]

Liosan, on 14 June 2011 - 07:59 PM, said:

This is pretty much Ruse's only post of substance:

Ruse, on 14 June 2011 - 04:52 PM, said:

Well that was fun reading. Nothing like a heated discussion on the differences of day one lynches to get a lynch. I found the discussion more interesting then the train. It seemed that the perceived connection between fener and merrid was pretty minimal. I actually found eloths and Alkends combine drive to have more in common.

I guess we are waiting on the nights resolution. Oh well.

That might be too subtle but it seems like he's trying to deflect attention away from the lynch train... We know now that he was right about Merrid but he could have been using that to keep attention off Fener (which falls in with his suggestion about Eloth/Alkend).

this is the post gamelon mentions has no merrit.

Gamelon, on 14 June 2011 - 10:17 PM, said:

Just a quick post before I head out the door.

"symp" or not, hitting a cultist is a good thing. Ruse really laid low and didn't say much, so hopefully that means he was important, although he leaves us nothing to go on. Im' not sure what Lio pointed out has much merit - the mention of the train reads more like an offhand comment to me.

Of course the other news is the trumpet team is down two early.

so maybe lio did have merrit??

Gamelon, on 15 June 2011 - 01:34 AM, said:

Merrid might have been a healer, yes, but I thought it was interesting he didn't really do much to try to deflect attention from him. If I had the ability to deflect NK's from my faction members, I would have been a little more proactive attempting to prevent my lynch.

I'm trying not to read too much into possible "hidden motivations" behind Fener and Eloth's argument. It seems like they were legitimately having it out over a difference in strategy, especially since they sort of toned it down near the end and admitted some understanding of each other at least. It would be a pretty ballsy cult leader to have a major tiff like that on day one. To be honest, I had a little bit of suspicion towards you, tiam, because you came on and joined the Merrid train as the third vote, and then never showed up for the rest of the day until now.

i'm inclined to think tiam as more of town rather than cult unless cult only know the player above them. after reading through the posts i am thinking of fener to be more likely to be cult, but i've been wrong twice so i'll hold off on my vote for now.

[Eloth]

Alkend, on 16 June 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

why are you both talking about ruse and which team he started on or what position he started? the cf states that he was a captain doesn't it? are you trying to figure out if he was recruited on the same night he was killed? that seems unlikely to me

you are both going back and forth with something you can not be sure about

its important in determining if we are facing two recruits or one tbf so i dont htink its pointless.

@bargie - i never said veng was a puppet. you misread that.

@ps - cheers!

[Fener]

Ugh... So because ruse mentioned me i am now supposedly the likely cult?. Sigh...i suppose i would be looking at me too so i can't fault you there. Well there is not much i cant do or say that changes that. Im not cult. He simply stated what a few others also said about my and eloth's little scrap yesterday. And since we where the main focus its not unreasonable that he would mention or side with one of us. If he had agree'd the other way around we would be looking at eloth now... Wat ever...

[Tiamatha]

awake, and done reading over,

first, wanted to point out that there was only 1 death in the night phase, which makes me wonder (if the killers can do so each night) if Game was one of the NKers
second, i am starting to wonder how many trumpet people there really are. seems like you can't turn without bumping into one

so i am thinking that our magic savior who has eliminated two amnion so far is actually UMCP or UMC (the ship that crashed into the amnion ship was UMCP). what i can't figure out is if the person knocking of amnion was aboard a crashing ship, how did they survive? could it be a UMCP admiral or something that directs ships and doesn't need to be on them?

anyways, i also am apparently doing a bang up job in my voting, knocking off RIs and not leaders as i hope. yet, i still think we need to hear more from Kara, Lio and Kal today. low posters may all be trumpet as eloth speculated, but i still want to pressure them to get some input. i'm nervous about just a few people running the show and leading the conversations

ok, so again, i harp on the same thing i have always harped on, the other factions. we seem to be doing an excellent job of eliminating trumpet and our magic killer has got the amnion covered thusfar (i understand there is still a high likelihood of a recruiter dancing around, btw), so are we going to spend the rest of the game trying to figure out who's cult?!

i know that is going to be construed as deflecting away attention from amnion, so here and now i want to emphasize that yes amnion are still a risk to us and we need to keep vigilant to stop them, but seeing that there are a limited amount of players in this game, why have the only two factions that have been cf'ed so far amnion and trumpet? we shouldn't ignore amnion, but seriously, let's start looking in other directions too damn it

[Okaros]

morning all



looks like we've hit anohter cult. Sweet.



unfortunately, I've gotta run, will be out for part of the day. i'll post more when I get back.

[Fener]

We need to kill off the cult asap. Cult can grow very quickly and im not sure i like that you keep wanting us to start looking elsewhere. So tell us then? Who do we go for and why? UMCP? Or the other?

[Fener]

Last post was meant for tiam obviously.

[Tiamatha]

Fener, on 16 June 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

We need to kill off the cult asap. Cult can grow very quickly and im not sure i like that you keep wanting us to start looking elsewhere. So tell us then? Who do we go for and why? UMCP? Or the other?

i don't care that you don't like me. i just want to make sure we all remember that this is a faction game not a MP. look, the storyline so far is that the trumpet is fleeing amnion space an that the amnion are both pursuing and possibly even subverting the ship from within. meanwhile, at least the UMC and UMCP are engaged in taking out that amnion ship in their spacce. quoted text below to put the story together in one place:

quote start

All is not well on the Trumpet as it speeds out of Amnion Space. The crew members, struck paranoid by fear of Amnion experiments begin searching for tell tell signs of Amnion Subversion. One crew member, Vector, working devoutly to find a cure for the Amnion genetic conversion weaponry, spends far to much time on his own. Just as he makes a huge break through, creating a Pill that blocks the Amnion conversion the rest of the crew turn upon the lone scientist, tearing him apart limb from limb. The secret genetic blocker is lost forever.

Merrid was lynched. he was Vector Shaheed and MTS, on the Trumpet

Davis Hyland wandered through the Trumpet, gun in hand. His mothers training clamoured to pay attention to the nooks and crannies of the spaceship, unfamiliar as it still was. And maybe Davis was too focused, for he failed to notice the gliding shadow a few meters behind him... until it was too late.

Hood's Path is dead. He was twelve and Davis Hyland of the Trumpet.

elsewhere, a smuggler was apprehended and dealt harshly with. He turned out to be chockful of Amnion gene poison.

Ruse is dead. He was Vengeance and captain Chatelaine,an Amnion

Serc was king lear, and sib mackern on the Trumpet.

People are still getting restless, paranoia stalks the crew of the Trumpet. Tensions are high and one crew member is only making things worse. Things were going fine until Sib Mackern is caught stealing food. The mob roars and quickly tear him apart.


Hearing about the Amnion incursion into human space, the military might of the U.M.C, the U.M.C.P. are forced into action and ordered to send in the troops.

A ship is launched to intercept the Amnion vessel, Calm Horizons, a dog fight ensues and both ships recieve damage, but the human vessel is out matched by the huge Amnion crusier. Just before the U.M.C.P. ship is destroyed it plots a ramming course right into the Calm Horizons bridge, killing several key Amnion, includidng the leader of the expidition, Marc Vestabule.
The ship, badly damaged, lymps on after the Trumpet.

Gamelon is dead, he was Marc vestabule and Shinrei

/end quote

So what im trying to say is we only have part of the story and yet we are trying to simplify everything down to us vs them, as if everyone wins if the amnion are taken out. if you think that is so, then help me understand so i can jump onboard and have a single-minded purpose. otherwise, i think there are other subplots at play and i don't want to keep accidentally killing trumpet only to find that UMC or UMCP's winning condition was to blow up the trumpet before it arrives at it's destination, whereever that may be.

plus, we've been doing a bang up job finding amnion. how do you prepose we go about getting it right this time. im sick of killing trumpet people personally

edit: sorry bout the bold, got rid of it

This post has been edited by Tiamatha: 16 June 2011 - 01:17 PM

[Fener]

Well its getting fairly obvious to me now that you are trumpet tiam, that or you seem to have a winning condition that does not include the cult. Im just not sure you realise how much of a threat the cult really is. If we start gunning for umcp and umc then we are not only letting the current cult keep their numbers they are also going to be growing every day unopposed. Its not like we have been actively searching for trumpet anyways. Lynches have unfortunately just ended up being that way. Looks like trumpet is in the majority and most likely to be lynched more often as well as probably where the cult will be getting their recruits from. At this point if we don't take out the cult they will grow very strong very quickly and they will have a big voting block before you know it and win the game. Cult is the main threat to all the other factions... Period.

[Fener]

Oh and i never said i don't like you. I just don't like the direction you are pushing us to go in.