[Dolmen 2.0]

D, on 29 July 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

BalrogLord, on 29 July 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

It's not quite addendum, its more like a forced season 2. That had some really questionable moments, and characters, and yeah.....


Don't whatch. Watch something good, like i dunno, DANGANROPA! seriously it awesome. has yet to dissapoint. Another one from recent time was shin sekai yori. I'd also recommend psycho-ass and blast of tempest.

But I like fairies... />/>

I wasn't all that invested in SAO anyways, so I'll probably still watch the rest of it gradually but pick up something else at the same time. Hopefully something with a different-looking protaganist (for pity's sake, Kirito was even dressing like Eren at the start />/> )

that is shockingly hard to do. Kirito is like the trope for all plausible anime protagonists and/or Antagonists. in bleach look at Byakuya, In Naruto theres Sasuke, in one piece theres...eh Zorro maybe bit iffy there? fact is Kiritos character type fits in but transcends the trope perfectly. One thing SAO did marvelously was make generic looks and attributes add to character depth rather than subtract from it. When you thought a Kirito like character would go left he went right instead.

Deathnote had something similar going on in the first "season".

I am quite certain you're spot on about AoT. Looks like it might pick up. Keen to watch something new at the moment. BL, will give DanganRopa a try!

EDIT: Oh yeah googled it and realized I actually got led onto this a while ago. Interesting new episodes in a deadman wonderland kinda way. goes great with popcorn.

This post has been edited by Dolmen+: 30 July 2013 - 05:36 PM

[D'rek]

Briar King, on 30 July 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

I still gotta watch AoT 14-16 just haven't had the want to. My fire for the show kinda died...

I can definitely understand that. Honestly, I would recommend waiting another week and then catching up (unless I make a new post in a week being like "AoT 17 was stupid!"), because 14-16 are definitely a collective let's-do-something-different-while-we-catch-our-breaths bit, and watching them all together with nothing after will probably be a bit boring.

Spoiler

Except when Eren gets the shit beat out of him.

[Silencer]

RE: SAO - it is a horrible bastardization of near-perfect source material. They literally put all the harem-esque side-stories first, cut out a lot of the detail and exploration of the implications of the situation from both arcs, turned the ALFheim arc into veritable filler (as someone upthread mentioned - it is light-hearted and there is no real danger any more - uhm, not quite, but that's certainly how it felt in the anime), and skimped on the actual main storyline. I have no idea why they forced it out into a two-part/two cour season rather than just making the Aincrad arc longer, better paced, more fleshed out, and cutting it at 15/16 episodes, then saving ALFheim for a second season, even if they then merged THAT with Gun Gale Online - it would have made a lot more sense and given the out-of-VR a bit more focus and meaning on the whole.

But really, how they managed to stuff up the series given the source material is beyond me. Well, OK, it's not, I know exactly why (the series was never going to adapt *well*, given the way the source is written), but I don't know how they fucked it up THAT MUCH.

...the fact that it still has a strong following shows how good the source material was, I guess. XD But seriously, you might as well watch the rest of the second arc unless you plan on reading the VN.

[blanketman2.0]

Silencer, on 31 July 2013 - 09:06 AM, said:

RE: SAO - it is a horrible bastardization of near-perfect source material. They literally put all the harem-esque side-stories first, cut out a lot of the detail and exploration of the implications of the situation from both arcs, turned the ALFheim arc into veritable filler (as someone upthread mentioned - it is light-hearted and there is no real danger any more - uhm, not quite, but that's certainly how it felt in the anime), and skimped on the actual main storyline. I have no idea why they forced it out into a two-part/two cour season rather than just making the Aincrad arc longer, better paced, more fleshed out, and cutting it at 15/16 episodes, then saving ALFheim for a second season, even if they then merged THAT with Gun Gale Online - it would have made a lot more sense and given the out-of-VR a bit more focus and meaning on the whole.

But really, how they managed to stuff up the series given the source material is beyond me. Well, OK, it's not, I know exactly why (the series was never going to adapt *well*, given the way the source is written), but I don't know how they fucked it up THAT MUCH.

...the fact that it still has a strong following shows how good the source material was, I guess. XD But seriously, you might as well watch the rest of the second arc unless you plan on reading the VN.

I agree on most of your points and the light novel is beter mostly the anime is still injoyable there's no need to demonize it or any thing althought it became more of a popcorn fest like high school of the dead but is still a fun watch if you take it lightly and not as a serious show like pzyco pass or ssy.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Watched this for like the 12th time yesterday.

If you haven't you should. seriously.

[Silencer]

blanketman2.0, on 31 July 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

Silencer, on 31 July 2013 - 09:06 AM, said:

RE: SAO - it is a horrible bastardization of near-perfect source material. They literally put all the harem-esque side-stories first, cut out a lot of the detail and exploration of the implications of the situation from both arcs, turned the ALFheim arc into veritable filler (as someone upthread mentioned - it is light-hearted and there is no real danger any more - uhm, not quite, but that's certainly how it felt in the anime), and skimped on the actual main storyline. I have no idea why they forced it out into a two-part/two cour season rather than just making the Aincrad arc longer, better paced, more fleshed out, and cutting it at 15/16 episodes, then saving ALFheim for a second season, even if they then merged THAT with Gun Gale Online - it would have made a lot more sense and given the out-of-VR a bit more focus and meaning on the whole.

But really, how they managed to stuff up the series given the source material is beyond me. Well, OK, it's not, I know exactly why (the series was never going to adapt *well*, given the way the source is written), but I don't know how they fucked it up THAT MUCH.

...the fact that it still has a strong following shows how good the source material was, I guess. XD But seriously, you might as well watch the rest of the second arc unless you plan on reading the VN.

I agree on most of your points and the light novel is beter mostly the anime is still injoyable there's no need to demonize it or any thing althought it became more of a popcorn fest like high school of the dead but is still a fun watch if you take it lightly and not as a serious show like pzyco pass or ssy.

To be fair, I mostly come down hard on it because I love the novels; it is an enjoyable, average anime, but it suffers massively if you've read the LNs already, and god forbid you had high hopes for the adaptation doing a really good job of things (I did, so there's some more bias ). Basically I think it should have been a top-tier, anime-of-the-year show, and instead, for me, it was disappointing. Most people who haven't read the LNs still find it quite good, though, as I mentioned, which really just proves that it was a good story regardless of poor handling, imo.

But you're right, I do end up sounding like I'm hating on it (though I do that with lots of things that I like, but were not as good as their source/prequels *cough*Skyrim/Oblivion compared to Morrowind*cough*. XD) when it's not *bad* by itself. I'd just rather everyone went and read the LNs instead.

Dolmen+, on 02 August 2013 - 10:10 AM, said:

Watched this for like the 12th time yesterday.

If you haven't you should. seriously.

Totally agree. 'Tis an excellent movie!

[yuna_anomander25]

the other day i just finished 1st season of BLACK LAGOON, loved Revy and the rest of Lagoon Co,, i also loved Roberta and the Taiwanese Shen Hua (can't remember if i'm correct) and have now started season 2,,

also watching:

BERSERK
DARKER THAN BLACK
AMAGAMI SS

and watch 1st ep of TO ARU MAJUTSU NO INDEX - though i don't like the Loli type of animes,,

i paused for the moment Shin Sekai Yori - i'm past the polarizing episode 8 but i'm still stuck on episode 10, will comeback sometime for this, but will not drop this show,,

and bought a complete dvd of ANOTHER, will re-watch this maybe this night,,

This post has been edited by yuna_anomander25: 02 August 2013 - 11:45 PM

[LinearPhilosopher]

yuna_anomander25, on 02 August 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

the other day i just finished 1st season of BLACK LAGOON, loved Revy and the rest of Lagoon Co,, i also loved Roberta and the Taiwanese Shen Hua (can't remember if i'm correct) and have now started season 2,,

also watching:

BERSERK
DARKER THAN BLACK
AMAGAMI SS

and watch 1st ep of TO ARU MAJUTSU NO INDEX - though i don't like the Loli type of animes,,

i paused for the moment Shin Sekai Yori - i'm past the polarizing episode 8 but i'm still stuck on episode 10, will comeback sometime for this, but will not drop this show,,

and bought a complete dvd of ANOTHER, will re-watch this maybe this night,,

nah you're correct it's shen hua. Are you watching it dubbed or subbed? Black lagoon is one of those series that watching dubbed is a real treat.

[Dolmen 2.0]

BalrogLord, on 03 August 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

yuna_anomander25, on 02 August 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

the other day i just finished 1st season of BLACK LAGOON, loved Revy and the rest of Lagoon Co,, i also loved Roberta and the Taiwanese Shen Hua (can't remember if i'm correct) and have now started season 2,,

also watching:

BERSERK
DARKER THAN BLACK
AMAGAMI SS

and watch 1st ep of TO ARU MAJUTSU NO INDEX - though i don't like the Loli type of animes,,

i paused for the moment Shin Sekai Yori - i'm past the polarizing episode 8 but i'm still stuck on episode 10, will comeback sometime for this, but will not drop this show,,

and bought a complete dvd of ANOTHER, will re-watch this maybe this night,,

nah you're correct it's shen hua. Are you watching it dubbed or subbed? Black lagoon is one of those series that watching dubbed is a real treat.

TRUTH.


Also finally started watching Psycho Pass...pretty blown away actually.

Four episodes in.

Spoiler

I find it really interesting. The obvious flaw in Psycho Pass "society" is the calculated singling out of peoples flawed character. Its a absurd but also pretty ingenius, everyone has had a potentially psychotic and/or sociopathic thought. I know I have on one or two dark occasions and confronting the ugly part of my character made me learn to check myself and be more self aware. Heres a system that makes self reflection a life or death decision. In my mind that "incentive" would tighten up my attitude to negative thoughts and potentially produce an evenly adjusted society. But then again suppression only has one cure!

I am incredibly impressed with the writer(s) of Psycho Pass because they earnestly seem to explore the many angles to the dichotomy of human nature. its almost like SSY all over again, except with less evident build up which I am fine with. Alot of the things the Enforcers do hint they have a few screws loose, kinda interesting that the system effectively classifies them as "hero material" keeps an eye on them then lets them loose. I really look forward to seeing where this show goes. excellent recco.

This post has been edited by Dolmen+: 04 August 2013 - 09:44 PM

[Dolmen 2.0]

Dolmen+, on 04 August 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

BalrogLord, on 03 August 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

yuna_anomander25, on 02 August 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

the other day i just finished 1st season of BLACK LAGOON, loved Revy and the rest of Lagoon Co,, i also loved Roberta and the Taiwanese Shen Hua (can't remember if i'm correct) and have now started season 2,,

also watching:

BERSERK
DARKER THAN BLACK
AMAGAMI SS

and watch 1st ep of TO ARU MAJUTSU NO INDEX - though i don't like the Loli type of animes,,

i paused for the moment Shin Sekai Yori - i'm past the polarizing episode 8 but i'm still stuck on episode 10, will comeback sometime for this, but will not drop this show,,

and bought a complete dvd of ANOTHER, will re-watch this maybe this night,,

nah you're correct it's shen hua. Are you watching it dubbed or subbed? Black lagoon is one of those series that watching dubbed is a real treat.

TRUTH.


Also finally started watching Psycho Pass...pretty blown away actually.

Four episodes in.

Spoiler

I find it really interesting. The obvious flaw in Psycho Pass "society" is the calculated singling out of peoples flawed character. Its a absurd but also pretty ingenius, everyone has had a potentially psychotic and/or sociopathic thought. I know I have on one or two dark occasions and confronting the ugly part of my character made me learn to check myself and be more self aware. Heres a system that makes self reflection a life or death decision. In my mind that "incentive" would tighten up my attitude to negative thoughts and potentially produce an evenly adjusted society. But then again suppression only has one cure!

I am incredibly impressed with the writer(s) of Psycho Pass because they earnestly seem to explore the many angles to the dichotomy of human nature. its almost like SSY all over again, except with less evident build up which I am fine with. Alot of the things the Enforcers do hint they have a few screws loose, kinda interesting that the system effectively classifies them as "hero material" keeps an eye on them then lets them loose. I really look forward to seeing where this show goes. excellent recco.

So just got into the meat of the story. Makishima is an excellent Antagonist.

Spoiler

One question though...Why exactly would the artist get hunted and killed in that particular way? was it related to her artwork or is it some kind of theme with Makishima himself?

[LinearPhilosopher]

Dolmen+, on 10 August 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

Dolmen+, on 04 August 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

BalrogLord, on 03 August 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

yuna_anomander25, on 02 August 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

the other day i just finished 1st season of BLACK LAGOON, loved Revy and the rest of Lagoon Co,, i also loved Roberta and the Taiwanese Shen Hua (can't remember if i'm correct) and have now started season 2,,

also watching:

BERSERK
DARKER THAN BLACK
AMAGAMI SS

and watch 1st ep of TO ARU MAJUTSU NO INDEX - though i don't like the Loli type of animes,,

i paused for the moment Shin Sekai Yori - i'm past the polarizing episode 8 but i'm still stuck on episode 10, will comeback sometime for this, but will not drop this show,,

and bought a complete dvd of ANOTHER, will re-watch this maybe this night,,

nah you're correct it's shen hua. Are you watching it dubbed or subbed? Black lagoon is one of those series that watching dubbed is a real treat.

TRUTH.


Also finally started watching Psycho Pass...pretty blown away actually.

Four episodes in.

Spoiler

I find it really interesting. The obvious flaw in Psycho Pass "society" is the calculated singling out of peoples flawed character. Its a absurd but also pretty ingenius, everyone has had a potentially psychotic and/or sociopathic thought. I know I have on one or two dark occasions and confronting the ugly part of my character made me learn to check myself and be more self aware. Heres a system that makes self reflection a life or death decision. In my mind that "incentive" would tighten up my attitude to negative thoughts and potentially produce an evenly adjusted society. But then again suppression only has one cure!

I am incredibly impressed with the writer(s) of Psycho Pass because they earnestly seem to explore the many angles to the dichotomy of human nature. its almost like SSY all over again, except with less evident build up which I am fine with. Alot of the things the Enforcers do hint they have a few screws loose, kinda interesting that the system effectively classifies them as "hero material" keeps an eye on them then lets them loose. I really look forward to seeing where this show goes. excellent recco.

So just got into the meat of the story. Makishima is an excellent Antagonist.

Spoiler

One question though...Why exactly would the artist get hunted and killed in that particular way? was it related to her artwork or is it some kind of theme with Makishima himself?

remind me again, this the girl painter?

[Dolmen 2.0]

BalrogLord, on 11 August 2013 - 01:56 AM, said:

Dolmen+, on 10 August 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

Dolmen+, on 04 August 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

BalrogLord, on 03 August 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

yuna_anomander25, on 02 August 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

the other day i just finished 1st season of BLACK LAGOON, loved Revy and the rest of Lagoon Co,, i also loved Roberta and the Taiwanese Shen Hua (can't remember if i'm correct) and have now started season 2,,

also watching:

BERSERK
DARKER THAN BLACK
AMAGAMI SS

and watch 1st ep of TO ARU MAJUTSU NO INDEX - though i don't like the Loli type of animes,,

i paused for the moment Shin Sekai Yori - i'm past the polarizing episode 8 but i'm still stuck on episode 10, will comeback sometime for this, but will not drop this show,,

and bought a complete dvd of ANOTHER, will re-watch this maybe this night,,

nah you're correct it's shen hua. Are you watching it dubbed or subbed? Black lagoon is one of those series that watching dubbed is a real treat.

TRUTH.


Also finally started watching Psycho Pass...pretty blown away actually.

Four episodes in.

Spoiler

I find it really interesting. The obvious flaw in Psycho Pass "society" is the calculated singling out of peoples flawed character. Its a absurd but also pretty ingenius, everyone has had a potentially psychotic and/or sociopathic thought. I know I have on one or two dark occasions and confronting the ugly part of my character made me learn to check myself and be more self aware. Heres a system that makes self reflection a life or death decision. In my mind that "incentive" would tighten up my attitude to negative thoughts and potentially produce an evenly adjusted society. But then again suppression only has one cure!

I am incredibly impressed with the writer(s) of Psycho Pass because they earnestly seem to explore the many angles to the dichotomy of human nature. its almost like SSY all over again, except with less evident build up which I am fine with. Alot of the things the Enforcers do hint they have a few screws loose, kinda interesting that the system effectively classifies them as "hero material" keeps an eye on them then lets them loose. I really look forward to seeing where this show goes. excellent recco.

So just got into the meat of the story. Makishima is an excellent Antagonist.

Spoiler

One question though...Why exactly would the artist get hunted and killed in that particular way? was it related to her artwork or is it some kind of theme with Makishima himself?

remind me again, this the girl painter?

Yep, the one at the all girl school.

This post has been edited by Dolmen+: 11 August 2013 - 05:08 AM

[LinearPhilosopher]

Dolmen+, on 11 August 2013 - 05:06 AM, said:

BalrogLord, on 11 August 2013 - 01:56 AM, said:

Dolmen+, on 10 August 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

Dolmen+, on 04 August 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

BalrogLord, on 03 August 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

yuna_anomander25, on 02 August 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

the other day i just finished 1st season of BLACK LAGOON, loved Revy and the rest of Lagoon Co,, i also loved Roberta and the Taiwanese Shen Hua (can't remember if i'm correct) and have now started season 2,,

also watching:

BERSERK
DARKER THAN BLACK
AMAGAMI SS

and watch 1st ep of TO ARU MAJUTSU NO INDEX - though i don't like the Loli type of animes,,

i paused for the moment Shin Sekai Yori - i'm past the polarizing episode 8 but i'm still stuck on episode 10, will comeback sometime for this, but will not drop this show,,

and bought a complete dvd of ANOTHER, will re-watch this maybe this night,,

nah you're correct it's shen hua. Are you watching it dubbed or subbed? Black lagoon is one of those series that watching dubbed is a real treat.

TRUTH.


Also finally started watching Psycho Pass...pretty blown away actually.

Four episodes in.

Spoiler

I find it really interesting. The obvious flaw in Psycho Pass "society" is the calculated singling out of peoples flawed character. Its a absurd but also pretty ingenius, everyone has had a potentially psychotic and/or sociopathic thought. I know I have on one or two dark occasions and confronting the ugly part of my character made me learn to check myself and be more self aware. Heres a system that makes self reflection a life or death decision. In my mind that "incentive" would tighten up my attitude to negative thoughts and potentially produce an evenly adjusted society. But then again suppression only has one cure!

I am incredibly impressed with the writer(s) of Psycho Pass because they earnestly seem to explore the many angles to the dichotomy of human nature. its almost like SSY all over again, except with less evident build up which I am fine with. Alot of the things the Enforcers do hint they have a few screws loose, kinda interesting that the system effectively classifies them as "hero material" keeps an eye on them then lets them loose. I really look forward to seeing where this show goes. excellent recco.

So just got into the meat of the story. Makishima is an excellent Antagonist.

Spoiler

One question though...Why exactly would the artist get hunted and killed in that particular way? was it related to her artwork or is it some kind of theme with Makishima himself?

remind me again, this the girl painter?

Yep, the one at the all girl school.

ah ok, watch the next arc, should explain it for ya/

[D'rek]

AoT 17 and 18 were good, more of a return to form, but at the same time the events in them will obviously culminate in episode 19... this is definitely a show I think that would be better to watch all at once after it finishes airing, because the episodes are so short and they don't end them at very good places, IMO.

[amphibian]

You need to jump ship and watch Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt.

Or something as awesomely paced and demented.

Weirdly enough, the best pacing I have ever seen in any anime have been series/movies that people here have used as avatars. Tekkon Kinkreet (worry), Berserk's movies (a couple people here and there), some Ghibli stuff, FLCL and Ghost in the Shell (a few people).

[Silencer]

I'm firmly of the opinion that a lot of the pacing issues in some anime come from poor adaptation from manga or light novels; from whence a lot of anime originate. The secondary source comes from budget constraints and the twenty-minute-episode production. A lot of anime that don't suffer from pacing issues are anime-original, movies, or larger budget productions, after all. There's also potentially something to do with cultural differences in what constitutes an 'acceptable' place to stop an episode.

But definitely the biggest one is likely to be adaptation from a manga - bearing in mind that what takes a couple of panels in a manga could, in one instance, be a half-second of video, or a half hour; it varies based on what is portrayed, and how it is adapted. Sticking true to the source material can end up with some very choppy episodes, or scenes that feel rushed or drawn out too much. Similar issue as with movie adaptations of books - and a reasonable portion of anime are also adapted from books, though I think LNs are more suitable to being adapted than manga, or 'regular' books, honestly.

So there are a lot of factors there, and unfortunately it isn't something that has an easy solution, and is a bit more common than I'd like. (It should also be noted that some series end up working really well as complete products, that you can marathon with ease, even if the original TV run was a bit of a mess to follow.)

[Dolmen 2.0]

I agree completely. Anime can be tough to watch episode after episode largely because of the manga adaptations. Better to watch it in arcs. I tend to reference episode lists that bracket episodes into plot groups. Best way to watch if you're not one shotting a series IMO. especially if its longer than 14 episodes.

This post has been edited by Dolmen+: 13 August 2013 - 07:06 AM

[amphibian]

There are groups of people within the anime industry that are way, way better at pacing, plotting and extemporizing on the source material when needed. An astounding number of those series or movies I have liked have had people who've mutually worked on projects like Evangelion's reboots, FLCL, Ghost in the Shell and so on.

It's a teachable skill to pace things well for a tv show and it's not necessarily completely controlled by production budget - which Attack of Titan shouldn't actually be running into. They have a fairly good sized budget and even do the little tricks to save money by shot composition and so on in order to let loose on the fight scenes.

[Korbal]

Silencer, on 28 May 2011 - 12:23 PM, said:

Alright, I'll start off by answering my own question - because no-one here is into anime enough to actually bother to make a thread. Hell, I'm no anime fan. I avoid that stuff like the damn plague.

Or, rather, I did up until the last month or so. Then, I was getting desperate for things to watch that wouldn't eat my bandwidth. So I browsed, naturally, TV Tropes. And found an anime that avoided being an anime by most standards. Sure, it's animated, it's from Japan, and it's been dubbed into English. Sure, the main character has an Improbable (though not that bad, really, and Justified, in-series) Hairstyle. But most of the characters do not conform to anime stereotypes. The style is fairly Western, and the plot is both interesting and reasonably mature. (For those "in the know" it's considered Seinen, but even then it seems fairly different to most of the others I've heard about)

I give you: Witch Hunter Robin. Don't read too many of the tropes, they'll spoil it. Though I did, and that's what made me consider it (for an entire day, then I obtained it). I'll go into more detail when it isn't one am.


So, then, I've now watched that TEN BAJILLION TIMES, and actually purchased the series on DVD for an exorbitant price - yes, I am obsessed with it, I think it is awesome - and so I went looking for another show to watch that would also be interesting and not retarded. I stumbled upon the Haruhi Suzumiya series. Which is whacked out, and slightly more 'anime', in my estimation, than WHR, but still really rather interesting. It concerns me that I like this, because I can see myself descending a dark path into becoming an actual anime fan. But whatever, it's bringing me joy and allowing me to procrastinate into not doing my computers science assignment.

My question is thus: who here watches anime, what do you like, why do you like it, and the inverse of all three. Also, suggestions. I personally recommend WHR and the Haruhi ones, so far.


Can someone please kill me now? XD

-Cowboy Bebop
-Akira
-Samurai Champloo
-Trigun

All very solid and entertaining animes.

[Gothos]

OK so I just finished watching Shin Sekai Yori, and...

HOLY SHIT THAT WAS JUST SO AWESOME.

There's something about japanese art that allows them to mix candy-cute things with truly dreadful, sinister atmosphere and very grim reality. I find it astounding each time I encounter that. CAN I HAS MOAR LIKE THIS?