[D'rek]

On another note: Why the heck didn't Ned and his two guards retreat back into the brothel? You don't stand your ground in the street when it's 3 vs 20, but with a doorway to funnel the enemy, walls to stop javelins and the city watch being summoned, they'd actually stand a chance in there!

This post has been edited by D'rek: 18 May 2011 - 10:12 PM

[End of Disc One]

D, on 18 May 2011 - 10:11 PM, said:

On another note: Why the heck didn't Ned and his two guards retreat back into the brothel? You don't stand your ground in the street when it's 3 vs 20, but with a doorway to funnel the enemy, walls to stop javelins and the city watch being summoned, they'd actually stand a chance in there!

They probably didn't want to put Littlefinger and the whores in danger. If I was in their position it wouldn't have crossed my mind going back inside. Maybe because I'm a man. You don't run from a fight.

[SpectreofEschaton]

End of Disc One, on 18 May 2011 - 10:22 PM, said:

D, on 18 May 2011 - 10:11 PM, said:

On another note: Why the heck didn't Ned and his two guards retreat back into the brothel? You don't stand your ground in the street when it's 3 vs 20, but with a doorway to funnel the enemy, walls to stop javelins and the city watch being summoned, they'd actually stand a chance in there!

They probably didn't want to put Littlefinger and the whores in danger. If I was in their position it wouldn't have crossed my mind going back inside. Maybe because I'm a man. You don't run from a fight.

That reminds of something else. Was that supposed to be Ice Ned was fighting with? It sure didn't look like it, but I don't recall it being mentioned in that scene in the book, either. Maybe it's more of ceremonial weapon?

[worry]

I think he only uses Ice for executions because it's a huge two handed sword (over 6 feet long, according to book, I think). And I think they didn't retreat because they didn't expect the fight so swiftly. In the scene, the two of Ned's guards get basically harpooned to death at Jaime's sudden command, and then it's just Ned and Jory trying to survive. The same is so in the book, where the turn to violence is very sudden at Jaime's command. Ned simply didn't expect it, out of his own sense of honor and Ned's own brand of arrogance as a lord.

[SpectreofEschaton]

And let's face it, if Ned ever acted on reason over honor, we'd be reading/watching a very different story. Love the guy, but he has only himself to blame... well, not really, but it's a contributing factor.

[Ceda Cicero]

Yeah, Ice definitely gets reserved for 'special occasions.'

[Ulrik]

btw, top scene of the episode

[Agraba]

I've got to say, the best acting job in this episode was done by Tyrion, especially with his facial expression. For all the effort Tyrion puts in looking regal and composed as a Lannister, he can barely hide his confused shock towards Lysa and her son.

I've got to say, any little bit of Gregor we see is just fantastic. Even though I haven't read the series in something like 5 or 6 years, I still have vivid images of his fight against Oberyn the viper (or scorpion)? That scene was just so amazing and fucked up in so many ways.

[Gothos]

Aight, so I finally watched it.
Great so far!
Though: I don't exactly recall the relationship between Renly and Loras being ever explicitly stated like this. It was all hush hush and I don't think that making it so clear did the series good.

Also: I didn't think Ned actually fought Jaime in the book? It has been several years since I read it, but I don't recall them actually going one on one. Plus, Ice should probably break Jaime's sword, right?

[beru]

he did not use ice i belive as the blade was to short and to thin, ice is nearly as big as his hand

[Tapper]

Gothos, on 19 May 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Aight, so I finally watched it.
Great so far!
Though: I don't exactly recall the relationship between Renly and Loras being ever explicitly stated like this. It was all hush hush and I don't think that making it so clear did the series good.

Also: I didn't think Ned actually fought Jaime in the book? It has been several years since I read it, but I don't recall them actually going one on one. Plus, Ice should probably break Jaime's sword, right?

I'm not even sure it was the Lannisters who wounded him - wasn't it the city watch under... Janos Slynt, I think his name was? that was responsible in the books? It may be an attempt to keep the cast smallish and a tad bit easier to overview for the non-reader viewer, and add some more oomph to the major players at the same time. I guess that is also the reason why, so far, Tywin and whatshisname, Kevan? Lannister have not been mentioned until in the last episode, where Cersei suggests him as Ned's replacement.

Re: Ice: when Ice was shown in episode one, it was a massive two-handed weapon. Even there he did not have it strapped across his back - instead, a soldier carried it for him - if he had it strapped to his back, it was so big the fight would be over before he could have finished drawing it if he wore it in that scene with Jaime.

[QuickTidal]

Gothos, on 19 May 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Aight, so I finally watched it.
Great so far!
Though: I don't exactly recall the relationship between Renly and Loras being ever explicitly stated like this. It was all hush hush and I don't think that making it so clear did the series good.

See upthread as to how we all thought it makes the series better, or Renly better for down the road.

Gothos, on 19 May 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Also: I didn't think Ned actually fought Jaime in the book? It has been several years since I read it, but I don't recall them actually going one on one. Plus, Ice should probably break Jaime's sword, right?

Pick up the book folks.


He most definitely fights Jaime in the book, I picked up my copy and reread the scene myself afterwards to see how true it was and it is nearly spot on how the show did it. Dialogue and everything.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 19 May 2011 - 11:03 AM

[Gothos]

If I knew who has my Game of Thrones copy... dammit.

[acesn8s]

QuickTidal, on 19 May 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

Gothos, on 19 May 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Aight, so I finally watched it.
Great so far!
Though: I don't exactly recall the relationship between Renly and Loras being ever explicitly stated like this. It was all hush hush and I don't think that making it so clear did the series good.

See upthread as to how we all thought it makes the series better, or Renly better for down the road.

Gothos, on 19 May 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Also: I didn't think Ned actually fought Jaime in the book? It has been several years since I read it, but I don't recall them actually going one on one. Plus, Ice should probably break Jaime's sword, right?

Pick up the book folks.


He most definitely fights Jaime in the book, I picked up my copy and reread the scene myself afterwards to see how true it was and it is nearly spot on how the show did it. Dialogue and everything.

Wait, what?

In the book Jamie orders his men to kill Ned's men. Jory and Ned are on horseback, Jory breaks out and then comes back and ggets killed. Ned's horse falls on him and breaks his leg.

[Ceda Cicero]

acesn8s, on 19 May 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 19 May 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

Gothos, on 19 May 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Aight, so I finally watched it.
Great so far!
Though: I don't exactly recall the relationship between Renly and Loras being ever explicitly stated like this. It was all hush hush and I don't think that making it so clear did the series good.

See upthread as to how we all thought it makes the series better, or Renly better for down the road.

Gothos, on 19 May 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Also: I didn't think Ned actually fought Jaime in the book? It has been several years since I read it, but I don't recall them actually going one on one. Plus, Ice should probably break Jaime's sword, right?

Pick up the book folks.


He most definitely fights Jaime in the book, I picked up my copy and reread the scene myself afterwards to see how true it was and it is nearly spot on how the show did it. Dialogue and everything.

Wait, what?

In the book Jamie orders his men to kill Ned's men. Jory and Ned are on horseback, Jory breaks out and then comes back and ggets killed. Ned's horse falls on him and breaks his leg.

What the hell version of GoT are you reading, QT? In the book, Jaime pokes Ned in the chest twice with his sword, tries to goad Ned into baring steel because he'd "just as soon he died with steel in his hand," Ned refuses, Jaime sheaths his sword, gives the order to kill Ned's men, and rides off.

See if this link takes you to the appropriate page.

This post has been edited by Ceda Cicero: 19 May 2011 - 12:34 PM

[QuickTidal]

You're all keeners.

LOL

Consider me wrong then...when I reread it, I thought him and Jaime fought.

[acesn8s]

QuickTidal, on 19 May 2011 - 12:50 PM, said:

You're all keeners.

LOL

Consider me wrong then...when I reread it, I thought him and Jaime fought.

I want your book. It sounds cooler.

[QuickTidal]

acesn8s, on 19 May 2011 - 01:25 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 19 May 2011 - 12:50 PM, said:

You're all keeners.

LOL

Consider me wrong then...when I reread it, I thought him and Jaime fought.

I want your book. It sounds cooler.

I'm boggled by the fact that I read that wrong. I mean I was drinking wine when I picked it up to check the dialogue....but still. Must have been some crack in that wine eh? It's likely possible I read the action with the other guardsmen and Jory completely wrong and included Ned in it....

...I gotta stay off the heavy stuff.

[Battalion]

QuickTidal, on 18 May 2011 - 12:45 PM, said:

Battalion, on 18 May 2011 - 07:20 AM, said:

Even given the fact that there were only 'slight' undertones of this in the book, I see no need for a homosexual scene of this kind.

See, now why on earth is it cool for there to be umpteen "whore and *insert lord here*" scenes that are used as a way to tell the story, but you aren't cool when it's a gay one?

Er, because Im not gay and I don't feel comfortable having stuff like that rammed down my throat - pun intended - and also because it's not in the book and the other scenes are.

Bauchelain the Evil, on 18 May 2011 - 03:47 PM, said:

To all those bothered by the Renly/Loras scene: Really in the book it was all but stated clear. Renly wants Loras to go and "pray" with him the night before the battle. Stannis makes some rather telling comments during the parlay. Loras go in a killing frenzy when Renly dies. Loras is more upset than Margaery at Renly's death. Jaime tells him he'll stick his sword "where not even Renly did".

He was head of Renly's King's Guard, so he's bound to pissed when he gets killed. Being 'all but stated clear' and having the scene go down the way it did - pun intended - are totally different.

QuickTidal, on 19 May 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

Gothos, on 19 May 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Aight, so I finally watched it.
Great so far!
Though: I don't exactly recall the relationship between Renly and Loras being ever explicitly stated like this. It was all hush hush and I don't think that making it so clear did the series good.

See upthread as to how we all thought it makes the series better, or Renly better for down the road.

We didn't ALL think it made the series better. I found it uncomfortable to watch and nobody on here's going to make me change my opinion on that. There were plenty of other ways to get the point across that the two men were close, but I found this hard to swallow - pun intended.

[Gothos]

Call me primitive but I find gay sex revolting and makes me sick in the stomach. Curious how it's not so with lesbians!