[Sinisdar Toste]

bugg is just an aspect of mael. mael is also the ocean itself, and ocean's cannot help their own nature. they flood things, they drown people. with the Crimson Guard thing, my interpretation of that event is that mael was tinkering with the timing of their arrival in quon tali. he also tinkered with the timing of travellers arrival at morn on genebackis. my thinking is that mael was behind a lot of convergences occuring at the time they did, always detouring potent personages so that they would arrive 'on time'.

[LordofTheFallen]

So what caused mael to become a manservant? Was that ever explained?

[Bauchelain the Evil]

He was bored with his eternal life and justly judged that Tehol would be an interesting person. He says so,more or less, at the end of MT.

[Rhand]

What a useless storyline this was, and the way she dies. Christ, so simple and, yes, childish.

Atleast I know now that if I ever reread the books, I can completely ignore her chapters because I won't be missing a thing.

[Migol]

In regards to the Mael contradiction with the CG, wasn't he under Mallick's control and whatnot when he trapped them? Pretty sure there was a scene with Mallick instructing Mael on what to do. This was, of course, before Mael broke free later in the same book (RotCG).

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Migol, on 30 August 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

In regards to the Mael contradiction with the CG, wasn't he under Mallick's control and whatnot when he trapped them? Pretty sure there was a scene with Mallick instructing Mael on what to do. This was, of course, before Mael broke free later in the same book (RotCG).

I presume you're talking about the MT Epilogue?

I thought it was more like: If it weren't for you the Edur would have never invaded Letheras and they would never have beaten Tehol to a pulp. So, now I am doing that to you.

[Black Company]

My understanding is that Olar Ethil is all those goddesses she claims to be. Old. Old old old, daughter of Tiam. First Soletaken, first D'ivers. Split herself up; the main is Burn who sleeps. Fascinated by imass, her other part took on their form and became their first magic wielder, the first bone caster. At least half of her power is tied up as Burn, and Kilava says that OE miscalculated: the t'lan ritual froze her power whereas Kilava's has grown and matured over the hundreds of centuries. I mean, the other option is that she's a crazy lying bitch.

[Silk]

LordofTheFallen, on 12 July 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

At this point we are very off topic, but Bugg is the kind old guy we know, yet from what we know of the malazan's veiwpoint of Mael, he is cruel and heartless.
He traps the crimson gaurdsmen (and many others) simply because they trespassed on his territory, he used to create floods on a whim (the exchange with him and Gothos in MoI I think.) and he generally is a real dick to his worshippers, either ignouring them conpletely or screwing them over.

Yet in his role of Bugg he is a sweet, if infinitly powerful, old man. What gives?

Simple answer to this.. Tehol

[tiam]

Silk, on 17 February 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

LordofTheFallen, on 12 July 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

At this point we are very off topic, but Bugg is the kind old guy we know, yet from what we know of the malazan's veiwpoint of Mael, he is cruel and heartless.
He traps the crimson gaurdsmen (and many others) simply because they trespassed on his territory, he used to create floods on a whim (the exchange with him and Gothos in MoI I think.) and he generally is a real dick to his worshippers, either ignouring them conpletely or screwing them over.

Yet in his role of Bugg he is a sweet, if infinitly powerful, old man. What gives?

Simple answer to this.. Tehol

L of the F- All EG are cruel and heartless from a mortal POV. Their worship is blood. Mael is different because he swore off from being a god, becoming disillusioned with being worshipped and deciding to play the mortal game but in a much less obvious way than Nightchill. Unsure what you referencing about him trapping the Guardsmen but he never used to create floods on a whim. THe exchange your thinking of is Mael and Gothos in the MT prologue and its a sarcastic remark about Maels aspect being a solution to everything. From it you could conclude he whimsically causes floods but really its representing that when MAel acts he acts in the capacity of his aspect, the sea. Hes hardly a dick to his worshippers he simply ignores them, allowing his daughters to flourish. He hardly screws them over, in fact his worshippers commit selfish acts in his name, including the Jhistal cult of Mael which was exterminated by Kellenved who found the chaining of gods deplorable enough to eradicate them. We see him actively struggle to use his powers for his own purposes when he transfers the refugees to the Isle.

Silk- Tehol embodies what Mael likes about humanity and respects his attempt to bring Lether to a more fair system of government. Mael became disillusioned with worship and 'the game' long before Tehol. Ironically its his dealings with Tehol that get him out of his isolation.

[Abyss]

Yep - notwithstanding that he was already acting as Bugg, Mael still grants power to Mallick Rel on a few occassions.
He's not entirely separated from the link between god and worshippers. Arguably his taking on the role of the Waiting Man with the refugees in MT may have given him a somewhat different aspect to draw on.

Olar Ethil, as far as we see, doesn't actually have any worshippers (the Imass don't seem to consider her a goddess, more of an ancient and powerful bonecaster), so her actions are entirely her own, however messed up they seem at times. Actually, that explains a lot...

[Ben Delat]

Yes, my undertsanding of the Mael Mallick relationship is that at one point or another the Jhistal were the only remaining worshippers of Mael and therefor had a power over his as he would "cease to be" what he was as a god if he had 0 worshippers.


It is later that he starts to gather more followers again, I think it is in RtCG where Mallick is going out ona boat and sees the flower offerings and stuff people are starting to do again in worship of the god of the seas and therefor can start denying Mallicks requests as he isn't so dependant on the Jhistal anymore.

[wullagaru]

who else here sees Olar Ethil as Augra from the dark crystal?

[worry]

Haha that was definitely my starting point with her, actually.

[fafner]

just me but was OE not just as insane as the whirlwind?

you know both lovestruck by some guy they could not get