[Migol]

Just to point out that her power wasn't B.S...

We were all in awe of how powerful hood was in TCG, both in sheer physical badassery but also in magical might.

Olar Ethil, up to the point of an arrow through the brain, was successfully and confidently turning her power against hood to stop him.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Bonecaster, on 05 July 2011 - 02:42 AM, said:

Well, I hate to defend Kallor , but he did prove Spinnock's superior, even if it took quite a while to do so. But Dassem running him through was one of my favorite moments of all!

And he did kill a dragon.With a sword. While hanging from its claws. And he claimed to have killed others,too.

[tiam]

He has also killed jaghut according to him in TTH when he sees gothos.

Power levels fluctuate. Hood backed down from 3 bonecasters in MOI though via Gethol.

Where is Gethol btw?

[Sanctume]

I just had a thought--is Tiam a Diver whose individual parts made of dragons? I'm confused.

[LordofTheFallen]

I think that T'iam is basically the same as Gruntle's tiger. Many dragons merge to form one multi-headed, massive son of a dragon who is pretty much unstoppable.

Also, I believe I owe Kallor a bit more credit. He killed Orfantel, which was kind a big deal, and as mentioned above he bested Spinnock.

But Olar Ethil was a "superpower" throughout the entire series yet she did nothing. She mainely threatened people but not much else. I'll admit that stopping Hood's ritual was a big deal, but if she boasts to be the daughter of T'iam, greatest dragon of all then she should have more to show for it. I mean hood wasn't really all that special powerwise compared to any other Jaghut. Now if it was Gothos' ritual that Olar shattered...

[tiam]

Hood is much more powerful in these later books. He commanded the Jaghut army and is likely as strong as Gothos though weve seen nothing of Gothos really. Hood is also mentioned by name by Raest early on so we can assume hes the upper echelons and could have stoof toe to toe with OE as Hood could have made himself an EG according to Serenity or the FA he bites.

[Bonecaster]

Quick Ben bitch-slapped Hood in MoI.

[LordofTheFallen]

Hood's claim to fame was that he gathered every other Jaghut into the largest army known to the planet and waged war against death itself. He obviously failed since people still die, but he did become the God of Death. It was also the only time the jaghuts ever formally made an army or waged a war.

But aside from that (and don't get me wrong, that was huge) Hood didn't seem much more powerful than run-of-the-mill jaghuts, but he was considered a god because A. he actually was a god... and B. he was the one who had united the Jaghuts. and if uniting tribes is hard, imagine uniting an entire race that lives separately from each other.

[Migol]

And he had the throne of ice (in addition to being the former High King of High House Death...which he still raided for booze at the very least). He was able to single handedly freeze the nearby ocean area by the spire (where Gods couldn't penetrate the FA warren's power). I'd definitely rank him by Gothos and really just a hair under OE. Of course, I'd rank Draconus, Tiam and Icarium as being well above everyone else (maybe not K'rul but he's more "passive"), but both Hood and OE were easily high in the "second tier" of Wu's power ladder.

This post has been edited by Migol: 06 July 2011 - 06:23 AM

[LordofTheFallen]

You know, the whole "no one couldn't penetrate the FA's warren" seemed like a lot of BS. no offense to you.
Hood and Olar Ethil did it.
Sinn certainly did it.
Someone summoned Fener right on top of it.
Quick and Kalam were definately not bothered by it.
That chick summoned an army of locusts in it.
The Wolves of Winter were showing up in it.
And lets not forget paran, who really screwed with the FA.
Basically, only the T'lan Imass were affected. and only in the way that they couldn't turn to dust, they were still invincible due to Tellann (until Fener showed up).

[amphibian]

LordofTheFallen, on 06 July 2011 - 03:34 PM, said:

You know, the whole "no one couldn't penetrate the FA's warren" seemed like a lot of BS. no offense to you.
Hood and Olar Ethil did it.
Sinn certainly did it.
Someone summoned Fener right on top of it.
Quick and Kalam were definately not bothered by it.
That chick summoned an army of locusts in it.
The Wolves of Winter were showing up in it.
And lets not forget paran, who really screwed with the FA.
Basically, only the T'lan Imass were affected. and only in the way that they couldn't turn to dust, they were still invincible due to Tellann (until Fener showed up).

Akhrast Korvalain, the FA warren, is Elder. Anything that's not Elder or of comparable depth and strength is not going to cut it in a place that's essentially the FA version of Black Coral.

It took great power and persistence to project any power in that area and only a select few did so. I have no problems with how that turned out.

[Tyrant]

I think you're all underplaying Hood's power. I thought it was made pretty clear that Hood was the pre-eminent Jaghut of his time - he sat upon the Throne of Ice, was King of the Ice Hold - Omtose Phellack is THE Jaghut Warren and he was the top dog - long before he was aspected to Death. He led the Jaghut armies. He crushed the wrist bones of a rejuvenated Forkrul Assail to dust just by gripping them. He is clearly one of the most powerful ascendants we have encountered, and perhaps barring Gothos simply because we know so little, the greatest of his race we've yet encountered.

This post has been edited by Tyrant: 06 July 2011 - 05:27 PM

[D'rek]

LordofTheFallen, on 06 July 2011 - 03:34 PM, said:

You know, the whole "no one couldn't penetrate the FA's warren" seemed like a lot of BS. no offense to you.
Hood and Olar Ethil did it.
Sinn certainly did it.
Someone summoned Fener right on top of it.
Quick and Kalam were definately not bothered by it.
That chick summoned an army of locusts in it.
The Wolves of Winter were showing up in it.
And lets not forget paran, who really screwed with the FA.
Basically, only the T'lan Imass were affected. and only in the way that they couldn't turn to dust, they were still invincible due to Tellann (until Fener showed up).

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[Bonecaster]

I've only read books 5-10 once, so I'm not claiming to be any authority on this matter. But it seems to me that the purple circle is not nearly the Forkrul Assail version of Black Coral. The Tiste Andii unleashed the full force of Kurald Galain (I don't remember the exact phrase they used for what they did), permanently imbuing the area with the warren. Did the FA do something similar? Or was it just that that area was their power base? Moon's Spawn was the TA power base for a looooooong time, but I wouldn't think nobody could use warrens other than KG in it for all that time.

[worry]

d'rek you are king of the maps.

[beru]

queen i believe but the point stands

[worry]

D'rek's a girl?! Groooooooossssssssssssssssssssss.

[LordofTheFallen]

Well met D'rek.

So everyone except Hood, Olar Ethil, Sinn, and who ever it was who summoned Fener are out.
That said, Hood and Olar Ethil are definately elder. And for all we know Sinn is controlling elder magic too.

So who summoned Fener? (it may have said it but I'm still not sure.)

[worry]

As far as I'm concerned, Fener was summoned by Stormy and Gesler but was also a willing participant in his manifestation and subsequent sacrifice...Stormy and Gesler just acted as lodestones. I don't believe he was assassinated.

[LordofTheFallen]

So if the FA warren was strong enough to prevent the Imass from becoming dust, why couldn't it take out their invincibility? And by that I mean allow them to be harmed by conventional weapons.