[tiam]

Azathmaster, on 01 April 2011 - 12:41 AM, said:

raest, on 31 March 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

What about the Azath builder that Nimander freed in TtH?

If i remember correctly, the azath builder continued his service to gothos to let nimander escape.

No the Azath builder escapes. nimander lets him go then Desra or someone comes and pulls him out unless im completely wrong. After they both come back out Gothos claims do you know how difficult it was to get him in their in the first place.

[D'iversify]

Neocount Cicero, on 05 April 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

D, on 05 April 2011 - 11:37 AM, said:

Regarding Undead Dragons, I recall one wandering around through the Warrens pretty early in the series (House of Chains?), which I don't recall ity being confirmed who it was. I think I might have retrospectively attributed it to be Olar Ethil, but I'm sure that's wrinmg It certainly wasn't Tulas Shorn. So who?

I think you're thinking of the scene in Deadhouse Gates where Kulp sees the undead dragon pushing its way through Shadow and then uses its "wake" to bring the ship out of the Nascent and through Shadow. It's almost definitively Olar Ethil because of:

a.) The size (Kulp mentions it rivals Rake and Osserc.)
b.) The fact that the dragon is undead.
c.) The fact that it enters Tellan.
d.) We see it again at the end of DG perched over the true gate at the end of the Path of Hands, from Pust's PoV.

Thanks for locating that particular scene, I had an inkling it occurred in the Nascent but couldn't remember which book (events in the Nascent being pretty spliced up between books as they are).

[worry]

Yah, I was kind of expecting (SW)

Spoiler

the giant at the end of Stonewielder

to be described as yellow, but he wasn't.

[nethernova]

What about Baudin?
The last thing I remember is Hood telling somebody to send for Baudin for some unknown purpose.
And Dunsparrow? She seems to be one of the most pointless characters next to that T'lan Imass that young Harrlo gets out of the mine.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Gethol. srsly, he makes two appearances in the series. not even around for tCG's big finale, despite a big jaghut presence. maybe he gave kaminsod his two weeks and fucked off to live in a tower.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Meh,who cares. Gethol was probably the lamest Jaghut ever born. And did you really think he would have gone anywhere near his old boss.

[Kanubis]

Hmm Gethol, that makes me wonder, what happens to the House of Chains now? Have we discussed this? We probably have...

[Ceda Cicero]

For all intents and purposes, my guess would be, High House Chains is still around in the Deck at least, if not in the pantheon (whatever that distinction means.) Just out of the Crippled God's sphere of influence. We know that Houses and cards can split off from their original aspects/patrons and take on their own distinct identity; Ganoes references this with regard to Salvation for one (tBH.) And in TtH Kallor seems fairly confident that the Crippled God is about to be removed from the picture one way or another and is equally confident that HHC will be around afterwards, hence his desire to claim the throne and set up shop with HHC as his own free from the machinations of the Crippled God.

This post has been edited by Neocount Cicero: 14 April 2011 - 05:44 PM

[Tiste Simeon]

Ooh, a Kallor-led HHC, that would be pretty scary...

[D'iversify]

Neocount Cicero, on 14 April 2011 - 05:40 PM, said:

For all intents and purposes, my guess would be, High House Chains is still around in the Deck at least, if not in the pantheon (whatever that distinction means.) Just out of the Crippled God's sphere of influence. We know that Houses and cards can split off from their original aspects/patrons and take on their own distinct identity; Ganoes references this with regard to Salvation for one (tBH.) And in TtH Kallor seems fairly confident that the Crippled God is about to be removed from the picture one way or another and is equally confident that HHC will be around afterwards, hence his desire to claim the throne and set up shop with HHC as his own free from the machinations of the Crippled God.

Yeah, inclined to agree. In Erikson, a power-base such as the House of Chains doesn't fade away particularly quickly even if its main power figure/power source is gone. Plus its been given a certain solidity and stability by being accepted into the Deck. Personally, I think Kallor, if he wants to take over the House, will have to compete with Skinner for dominance.

[Use Of Weapons]

I'd have thought that the House of Chains, whose aspect is flaws and suffering, will only continue to grow in power in a Deck of Dragons with lots of human influence. But that could just be me being a cynic

[Forkrul Asshole]

Found this paragraph regarding Dassem:

"Where are you now, Logros? Do you feel me,so fiercely reborn? My heir - your chosen child - has rejected the role. His footfalls now mark the passing of tragedy. You have made him the God of Tears, and now that Hood is gone he must hunt down the next one who made him what he was. Do you tremble, Logros? Daseem is coming for you. He is coming for you." (pg. 236 TCG)

[Ilona]

So it just hit me that there was one character never mentioned in this thread who just sort of ceased to exist between TTH and TCG...

Salind, the whiny-ass High Bitch of the Redeemer. Last thing we hear that has anything to do with her, is Nimander telling Spinnock Durav to go to her. Never really liked her overly much, and didn't really expect to see her again, but since she was made out to be such a big deal to Spinnock in TTH, well, I'd maybe have expected Spinnock to spare her a thought at some point. Or someone. But when the Andii bugger off from Coral, it's like she never happened. I mean sure, her and Spinnock's thing probably wasn't on a Korlat/WJ level, but I'd still imagine that it would have gotten someone's attention, since as far as I understand, Andii/human relationships aren't all that common even when they live somewhere where they constantly have to interact.

[tiam]

Considering we only have a minor viewpoint from Spindle claiming thew Andii have left Black Coral it seems likely the human residents are still there so Salind may be there. She wasnt really a massive player in TTH or as you say a likeable character (MYHBE MK II) but it would have been a good link for a Spinnock Durav viewpoint about her.

[Illuyankas]

I imagine since the Redeemer hugged both himself and the Dying God to death, she's been so miserably pouty that Spinnock came to his senses. He's over 30,000 times older than her. She's described as barely out of puberty, so I'll be charitable and assume she's at least 16 or so. Spinnock is at a minimum 400,000 years old, possibly half a million. I kept expecting a man in a suit holding a seat to pop out of a warren and invite Spinnock to take it over there.

[Apocalypse Now]

tiam, on 01 May 2011 - 11:00 AM, said:

Considering we only have a minor viewpoint from Spindle claiming thew Andii have left Black Coral it seems likely the human residents are still there so Salind may be there. She wasnt really a massive player in TTH or as you say a likeable character (MYHBE MK II) but it would have been a good link for a Spinnock Durav viewpoint about her.

If I remember correctly didn't Spindle also mention that she was embraced by The Redeemer?

[Azathmaster]

tiam, on 05 April 2011 - 03:42 PM, said:

Azathmaster, on 01 April 2011 - 12:41 AM, said:

raest, on 31 March 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

What about the Azath builder that Nimander freed in TtH?

If i remember correctly, the azath builder continued his service to gothos to let nimander escape.

No the Azath builder escapes. nimander lets him go then Desra or someone comes and pulls him out unless im completely wrong. After they both come back out Gothos claims do you know how difficult it was to get him in their in the first place.

i havent read that part in a while but i do remember desra and the others mentally/telepathically pulling nimander out while the builder stayed behind because someone had to place the stone to open the gate or something like that. I could be wrong though

[Defiance]

Nimander was going to stay behind to place the stone so that the Azath builder could be free. At least, that's how I remember it.

[Azathmaster]

I just reread it yesterday and nimander tries to let the builder escape but the builder says that it is his job to build so nimander escapes as he pushes in the stone losing the nails on his fingers. Gothos gets angry cuz he wanted to keep nimander there and then it switches to kedeviss and kallor talking.

[tiam]

Azathmaster, on 27 December 2011 - 03:53 PM, said:

I just reread it yesterday and nimander tries to let the builder escape but the builder says that it is his job to build so nimander escapes as he pushes in the stone losing the nails on his fingers. Gothos gets angry cuz he wanted to keep nimander there and then it switches to kedeviss and kallor talking.

Youve got it muddled a bit


The Azath builder always builds the Azath and when he pushes in the last bit the houses always vanish. This time Nimander, to stop the entity being trapped, offered to push the last block in while the builder was inside, sacrificing himself. He allows the builder to get inside the house and pushes the last block in thus freeing the builder and angering Gothos. Desra (I think) runs into the 'ice'and drags Nimander back into Wu.

Thus the builder is free thats why Gothos was angry.