[Kalse]

Huh, didn't think of that...but it does make sense. I think you're on to something, GL.



Unless I'm on to something, and you're deflecting my attention elsewhere...

[Galayn Lord]

Kalse, on 18 March 2011 - 12:36 PM, said:

Korabas, on 18 March 2011 - 11:42 AM, said:

Kalse, on 18 March 2011 - 11:18 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 17 March 2011 - 10:02 AM, said:

TIGER used the distraction of the gun fight to slip into the mansion, tip-toeing over the ancient oak floorboards, always aware of the possibility they might actually be a nightingale trap. Melting into the shadows, he easily avoided a large group of men rushing to the lead exchange, then was almost discovered by a straggler. He followed the target, so close he could feel the man's body heat at times. Almost casually, he aimed the blowgun he carried on his hip - airgun was perhaps a better word - and squeezed the trigger, releasing the air-pressure and punching a conical poison dart into the neck of his victim, closing his mouth with his other hand and bringing him gently down to the floor.

Osseric is dead. He was Silencer, and Agung Redjosentono, a Syndicate Sentry.

Everyone is now level 1, 10 players remaining.

So someone has been using the Omtose Vs HP debacle as cover for their scummy business. Most of us ignored this player, either he seemed harmless/on our side/ or was simply not there when shit was going down. But one player, the straggler, was on to this player, for at least a little while, almost blowing the scum's cover, while the rest of us were rushing ahead to lynch either Omtose or HP.

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 04:46 AM, said:

Well I still think Korabas is the better vote.

Barghast, on 18 March 2011 - 01:11 AM, said:

This is ridiculous. You guys are calling me scum over a guy like GL... incredible. I am not scum, and I do not know who is, but I do know some information about some of the other people in the game. I am not going to tell you how this information came to me.


I am reasonably sure (at this point) that Osseric was as close to "RI" as you're going to get in this game. He was a Syndicate Sentry. I believe the Sentries are the "generic" players for the Syndicate. Omtose has indicated he is "RI" and if you believe him, that means he is also a Sentry.

I know for a fact that Liosan is *not* a Sentry and Rashan *is* a Sentry. I don't know if they are Syndicate or Agents. However, I do know that neither one has a killing action. Maybe they didn't start with one and gained it, I can't say. But if you are trying to narrow down your list of suspects to people who have been able to kill, you have to rule out both Liosan and Rashan.

My bet would be on Korabas or GL... just for the stuff I've already said. I'm also somewhat suspicious of Merrid but that's because he's getting no attention. In a game like that, it usually indicates a good ability by the scum to hide their powerful members, but I don't know if it's vote-worthy.

Rashan, on 18 March 2011 - 06:24 AM, said:

Barghast actually shifted the focus on GL or Korabas I believe, even though he hasn't "gathered info" on either of them yet. He never mentioned Omtose. i think Lio threw out his name because Barghasts reveal shed some question as to what Lios true side is.

As the only one to vote GL this whole game I have to agree with Barghast that GL definately needs to be looked at. I'm not so sure about Korabas. I've felt that both Korabas and Ruse has been very under the radar this whole game. I'll have to take a closer look at all three of them tomorrow.

I'm glad I don't have to make any hasty decisions before bed.

Hope everyone enjoyed their St Patrick's Day. I enjoyed a pitcher of beer while being entertained by some great basketball games. The great thing about March Madness is that there is a whole nother day to do it all over again.

Three names keep cropping up:

Korabas, who did not particpiate in any of the trains. For the first one he was "offline" when all the important stuff happened, and for the second train he placed his vote quite firmly on me, thus explaining his absence from the Omtose Vs HP discussion.

Merrid:Who has been getting almost no attention at all during this game, except for some flak during the first train, and two votes, one of which were switched to Fener later on.

And Ruse, who made a good case in the Omtose vs HP debate, but hasn't really drawn much attention to himself before or after that. His sort of just there.

I think it's probable that one of these three is TIGER...


Anyone else flying under the radar that I've missed?

Your logic is quite good. However you left yourself out. Yesterday I tried to convince people that you were scum and that you needed to be lynched. Nobody else liked it very much but that scene could be talking about that.
The other one that it could have been talking about is Rashan. He was under no pressure but HP was talking to him about a possible finder role and yesterday he was mentioned as possible scum.

So based on your thoughts TIGER could be half of the remaining players in the game. I agree he could be. He could also be someone like amp or GL or really anyone at all. The scene is ambiguous enough to leave room for any number of theories.

I think that Barghast is probably a symp, and would much rather lynch you then him. But if I need to change my vote to get a lynch I will.

Vote Kalse

Well neither Amp or GL really qualifies as people who're flying under the radar. Rashan is an option yes, but if Barghast's reveal is anything to go by, Rashan is either innocent, or a low-level scum with no killing action (if I read that right?), who might have gained a killing action when we all leveled up, but that was after Osseric died, which sorta rules Rashan out as TIGER.

And yes, in the scene you could be the straggler, and I could be TIGER, but I know it isn't. If a lynch is what is required to prove that, then that's a price I'll pay gladly.

Anyway, if Barghast is innocent, it would be weird for him to "symp" me if I'm scum...

I actually have to disagree with your TIGER suspects, as I'm not entirely sure how you arrived at them nor how "their names keep cropping up," Korabas excepted.

There is Merrid who's name I don't think has ever even come up at all until now and at no point was he ever even suggested as scum and thus cannot be Tiger.

Ruse has likewise, to quote Omtose, "avoided making waves," and has very rarely come up as a suspect, and certainly has not been voted on. Again, can't be Tiger than.

So at least for Merrid and Ruse, I am fairly confident that they cannot be Tiger (which is not to say they can't be scum).

Korabas, meanwhile, has been mentioned a couple times, though mainly by Barghast, and despite mistakenly thinking he had, Barghast actually voted for Osseric (before switching to Omtose) on day 2.

So of your 3 suspects, only Korabas really strikes me as being a possible candidate for Tiger, though, as he states immediately after your post, you would also be a possible candidate, although I have a hard time thinking of Korabas' vote on you as "straggling." I'll need to reread and see what merit there is behind suspecting Korabas (or yourself), as off the top of my head I can't really recall any particularly strong or convincing arguments against either of you.

edit: typo

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 18 March 2011 - 01:41 PM

[Korabas]

Kalse, on 18 March 2011 - 12:36 PM, said:

Well neither Amp or GL really qualifies as people who're flying under the radar. Rashan is an option yes, but if Barghast's reveal is anything to go by, Rashan is either innocent, or a low-level scum with no killing action (if I read that right?), who might have gained a killing action when we all leveled up, but that was after Osseric died, which sorta rules Rashan out as TIGER.

And yes, in the scene you could be the straggler, and I could be TIGER, but I know it isn't. If a lynch is what is required to prove that, then that's a price I'll pay gladly.

Anyway, if Barghast is innocent, it would be weird for him to "symp" me if I'm scum...

It would be weird but not unknown. I have seen people fake symp people before just to see how they react.

[Korabas]

You know a straggler could have been someone who had talked about doing an action on someone but then at the last minute put it on someone else. Yes I know it is Iron man but I usually talk about my action before I put one in. I know that lots of other people do this as well.

[Korabas]

Galayn Lord, on 18 March 2011 - 01:39 PM, said:

I actually have to disagree with your TIGER suspects, as I'm not entirely sure how you arrived at them nor how "their names keep cropping up," Korabas excepted.

There is Merrid who's name I don't think has ever even come up at all until now and at no point was he ever even suggested as scum and thus cannot be Tiger.

Ruse has likewise, to quote Omtose, "avoided making waves," and has very rarely come up as a suspect, and certainly has not been voted on. Again, can't be Tiger than.

So at least for Merrid and Ruse, I am fairly confident that they cannot be Tiger (which is not to say they can't be scum).

Korabas, meanwhile, has been mentioned a couple times, though mainly by Barghast, and despite mistakenly thinking he had, Barghast actually voted for Osseric (before switching to Omtose) on day 2.

So of your 3 suspects, only Korabas really strikes me as being a possible candidate for Tiger, though, as he states immediately after your post, you would also be a possible candidate, although I have a hard time thinking of Korabas' vote on you as "straggling." I'll need to reread and see what merit there is behind suspecting Korabas (or yourself), as off the top of my head I can't really recall any particularly strong or convincing arguments against either of you.

edit: typo

I became a ongoing suspect as soon as I voted for Kalse. I don't think that I was mentioned before that.

[Kalse]

Dammit, really thought I had something...oh well, I'll be gone for the next 20 hours or so, so I'm just gonna vote in case something happens...



Vote Omtose (again)



le sigh

[Galayn Lord]

Well, just did a quick reread and these are my impressions of the Korabas/Kalse issue;

From what I can tell, Korabas' initial vote for Kalse was based on very weak grounds (post #370),

Korabas, on 16 March 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:

Well I still have no time to do this. But it looks like votes are starting to get tossed around all over the place.

To whom ever asked why I thought that Fener might have been known. I have no knowledge of anybody. But it seemed to me that such an important reoccurring character might have been known by her second or something. It does not seem out of this world for 2 town members to know each other. While this is a straight up game it is also tmdi 5, not tmdi 1.

While I am all about trying to figure out known masters from suspected symps behavior. I also know that a good symp will point the fingers at everyone but his masters. Which is why we have a tendancy to want to lynch symps.

I don't like the tone of Kalse's posts. They seem very cheeky and also seem like participation when in reality they are just question asking. Sorry but I don't have time for a quote basket to show you. But they are just back a page or so.


Vote Kalse

But I suppose it could be understandable as a provocative vote, to see what kind of reaction it sparks. However, you then justify the correctness of your vote based on Barghast's response to it:

Korabas, on 17 March 2011 - 02:09 AM, said:

Ok so this post is a classic attack post. Here he goes summarizing what I have done so far this game. I have seen people do this a thousand times and for some reason it works time and time again. I still don't understand why. It isn't contributing to anything. If someone want's to know what someone posted they can go and look. No this is a perfect example of attacking while looking like you are not.

Barghast, on 16 March 2011 - 10:52 PM, said:

Korabas doesn't have many posts and most of them were from the Day 1 spam. He does seem to have a general dislike of GL, though.

Korabas, on 14 March 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 14 March 2011 - 04:09 PM, said:

I go out walkin'
After midnight
Out in Malaysia
Just like we used to do...

Doesn't this post just scream. This isn't a code don't look at this.

He indicated he might vote for Fener on Day 1 but missed voting entirely. He came on long after the lynch.

Korabas, on 15 March 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

If it is more possible for a thread to degenerate to less then spam. This thread has done it. I think that we should all give our selves a round of applause.

Now we don't have anything resembling a defense from Fener so I will most likely vote for him in a few hours.

Again, focuses onto GL.

Korabas, on 16 March 2011 - 11:43 AM, said:

Ok I'm here for all of one minute. I can't say to much about the fener lynch other then what has already been said. I didn't figure that Fener was D'rek, although if I remember right she said that she didn't really have time to play. But the lack of any defense from her or from anyone else. I suppose that at least one person would have known who she was. But I could be mistaken. When i get time I am going to look at the train. Right now agree with Omtose that GL is acting like a symp. I am just not sure for whom yet.

Now while you might have been able to ignore the first post he follows it up with this gem. Which is a defense post. No quotes just a quick summary. By saying contrast he is trying to say that Kalse is playing well and doesn't deserve any attention but that I am odd and should be looked at as a possible lynch later on in the game. This is such a classic move I can't believe it. Which makes me think that it is being done by a player who has played in a couple of games but not enough to know when they need to stop.

Barghast, on 16 March 2011 - 10:55 PM, said:

By contrast, Kalse's posts look fairly consistent... he is spamming on Day 1, settles on Merrid for a vote (is against the Fener vote, I believe). He agree's with Omtose's early vote... but now he's on Omtose's butt. He only mentioned Korabas once, for the same reason I posted above... Korabas indicated he wanted to vote but didn't do so.

Really if it wasn't for the second post I probably would have removed my vote off of Kalse. But to have someone come on and both attack and defend after only one vote. That screams suspicious to me. Which makes me think that I was actually one to something when I voted for Kalse.

Kalse did a good job of deflecting my vote. Cause he knows that one vote is usually just fishing.


Edited to change He to Kalse.

Korabas, on 17 March 2011 - 03:15 AM, said:

Hood, on 17 March 2011 - 03:04 AM, said:

@ Korabas - OK

I'm trying to review today's action and comment on things that catch my attention.

Me too. But I am about done and have to go. I doubt that I will be back on to change my vote. As it happens based off of Barghast's reaction I am perfectly happy with leaving it where it is.

Which would have of course been all fine and good, and I could even understand, were it not for Barghast's recent revelatory post, which, if we can take it as the truth (and with Liosan's support, I'm now operating on the belief that Barghast is in fact an innocent), in my opinion completely takes out all the justification for your voting of Kalse (as I found your intial reasoning insufficient for a vote).

Yet despite lacking what I perceive as any particularly strong grounding, you have continued to vote for Kalse again today without any new justification, even though we can retroactively see that you really did not have a case on day 2.

Korabas, on 18 March 2011 - 11:42 AM, said:

Kalse, on 18 March 2011 - 11:18 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 17 March 2011 - 10:02 AM, said:

TIGER used the distraction of the gun fight to slip into the mansion, tip-toeing over the ancient oak floorboards, always aware of the possibility they might actually be a nightingale trap. Melting into the shadows, he easily avoided a large group of men rushing to the lead exchange, then was almost discovered by a straggler. He followed the target, so close he could feel the man's body heat at times. Almost casually, he aimed the blowgun he carried on his hip - airgun was perhaps a better word - and squeezed the trigger, releasing the air-pressure and punching a conical poison dart into the neck of his victim, closing his mouth with his other hand and bringing him gently down to the floor.

Osseric is dead. He was Silencer, and Agung Redjosentono, a Syndicate Sentry.

Everyone is now level 1, 10 players remaining.

So someone has been using the Omtose Vs HP debacle as cover for their scummy business. Most of us ignored this player, either he seemed harmless/on our side/ or was simply not there when shit was going down. But one player, the straggler, was on to this player, for at least a little while, almost blowing the scum's cover, while the rest of us were rushing ahead to lynch either Omtose or HP.

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 04:46 AM, said:

Well I still think Korabas is the better vote.

Barghast, on 18 March 2011 - 01:11 AM, said:

This is ridiculous. You guys are calling me scum over a guy like GL... incredible. I am not scum, and I do not know who is, but I do know some information about some of the other people in the game. I am not going to tell you how this information came to me.


I am reasonably sure (at this point) that Osseric was as close to "RI" as you're going to get in this game. He was a Syndicate Sentry. I believe the Sentries are the "generic" players for the Syndicate. Omtose has indicated he is "RI" and if you believe him, that means he is also a Sentry.

I know for a fact that Liosan is *not* a Sentry and Rashan *is* a Sentry. I don't know if they are Syndicate or Agents. However, I do know that neither one has a killing action. Maybe they didn't start with one and gained it, I can't say. But if you are trying to narrow down your list of suspects to people who have been able to kill, you have to rule out both Liosan and Rashan.

My bet would be on Korabas or GL... just for the stuff I've already said. I'm also somewhat suspicious of Merrid but that's because he's getting no attention. In a game like that, it usually indicates a good ability by the scum to hide their powerful members, but I don't know if it's vote-worthy.

Rashan, on 18 March 2011 - 06:24 AM, said:

Barghast actually shifted the focus on GL or Korabas I believe, even though he hasn't "gathered info" on either of them yet. He never mentioned Omtose. i think Lio threw out his name because Barghasts reveal shed some question as to what Lios true side is.

As the only one to vote GL this whole game I have to agree with Barghast that GL definately needs to be looked at. I'm not so sure about Korabas. I've felt that both Korabas and Ruse has been very under the radar this whole game. I'll have to take a closer look at all three of them tomorrow.

I'm glad I don't have to make any hasty decisions before bed.

Hope everyone enjoyed their St Patrick's Day. I enjoyed a pitcher of beer while being entertained by some great basketball games. The great thing about March Madness is that there is a whole nother day to do it all over again.

Three names keep cropping up:

Korabas, who did not particpiate in any of the trains. For the first one he was "offline" when all the important stuff happened, and for the second train he placed his vote quite firmly on me, thus explaining his absence from the Omtose Vs HP discussion.

Merrid:Who has been getting almost no attention at all during this game, except for some flak during the first train, and two votes, one of which were switched to Fener later on.

And Ruse, who made a good case in the Omtose vs HP debate, but hasn't really drawn much attention to himself before or after that. His sort of just there.

I think it's probable that one of these three is TIGER...


Anyone else flying under the radar that I've missed?

Your logic is quite good. However you left yourself out. Yesterday I tried to convince people that you were scum and that you needed to be lynched. Nobody else liked it very much but that scene could be talking about that.
The other one that it could have been talking about is Rashan. He was under no pressure but HP was talking to him about a possible finder role and yesterday he was mentioned as possible scum.

So based on your thoughts TIGER could be half of the remaining players in the game. I agree he could be. He could also be someone like amp or GL or really anyone at all. The scene is ambiguous enough to leave room for any number of theories.

I think that Barghast is probably a symp, and would much rather lynch you then him. But if I need to change my vote to get a lynch I will.

Vote Kalse

And for the reasons I stated earlier (in post #620), if anything I find Kalse to be more believable as the straggler, whereas I see nothing to disprove the notion that, if anything, Korabas may in fact be TIGER (for reasons explained in post #622), as Barghast was quite confident in his vote on you (even though it was actually for Osseric) up until necessity forced him to switch to Omtose later on that day.

So, while I still like my theory of Omtose as TIGER, now that I've reread things a bit, I'm finding the tenacity of Korabas' Kalse vote increasingly suspicious and without any merit, while I still don't see Kalse as TIGER (which is not to say anything about scuminess, though unless someone can point out something I may have missed, I didn't detect anything that would suggest him as being unduly scummy)

[Galayn Lord]

And since it no longer seems to make any sense to keep my vote on Barghast,

Remove Vote

Vote Korabas

I think I've just convinced myself that there's something not quite right about Korabas' relentless pursuit of Kalse, which, lacking any perceivable justification as far as I'm concerned, combined with no day 1 vote and his earlier antagonism of Barghast, leads me to believe this may not be that bad of an idea.

However, I would also really like to have the whole issue of Omtose and day 2 resolved, so I may switch my vote over to Omtose later on.

Edit: For clarity

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 18 March 2011 - 02:26 PM

[Barghast]

Ampelas, on 18 March 2011 - 05:10 AM, said:

to make myself clearer: if Omtose CFs inno, it makes Barg look more suspicious, though it doesn't make him an outright scum.

If Omtos eis scum, it makes Barg look far more legit as inno.

Is this a joke? Omtose's CF has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

[Barghast]

Merrid, on 18 March 2011 - 12:15 PM, said:

I got another computer, I will reply to this and then have a look through

Omtose, on 18 March 2011 - 08:45 AM, said:

lynching me wont tell you whether or not HP was scum, just whether or not i am

Omtose, it will tell us if you are scum or innocent, if you are scum then HP was innocent and it backs up Barghy even more, if you are innocent then HP was scum and we caught him leaving only one scum left, that's how I see it. You claim to be RI which was a good way to divert the train elsewhere, people followed you because of this, rather than us hit a roled town player I would prefer to lynch an RI or scum. I will have a look at what other people are saying and see if anything comes up I agree with, but with Barghy's partial reveal it leaves 2-3 players who are innocent that we know of, Liosan, let me find the post

Barghast, on 18 March 2011 - 01:11 AM, said:

This is ridiculous. You guys are calling me scum over a guy like GL... incredible. I am not scum, and I do not know who is, but I do know some information about some of the other people in the game. I am not going to tell you how this information came to me.


I am reasonably sure (at this point) that Osseric was as close to "RI" as you're going to get in this game. He was a Syndicate Sentry. I believe the Sentries are the "generic" players for the Syndicate. Omtose has indicated he is "RI" and if you believe him, that means he is also a Sentry.

I know for a fact that Liosan is *not* a Sentry and Rashan *is* a Sentry. I don't know if they are Syndicate or Agents. However, I do know that neither one has a killing action. Maybe they didn't start with one and gained it, I can't say. But if you are trying to narrow down your list of suspects to people who have been able to kill, you have to rule out both Liosan and Rashan.

My bet would be on Korabas or GL... just for the stuff I've already said. I'm also somewhat suspicious of Merrid but that's because he's getting no attention. In a game like that, it usually indicates a good ability by the scum to hide their powerful members, but I don't know if it's vote-worthy.

Okay so if we believe Barghast then Liosan and Rashan are innocent, although just for thought why would he point these two players out for scum to kill? This highlights 2 town players, and if scum do not know each other then it helps them with their kills, that explains in one way why there was no kill night one, they were trying to figure who was on their team. Maybe, anyway I digress, to me Liosan's play has been the most innocent so far, as he is building cases and helping town where he can, Rashan's posts have been full of spam with only a good one coming every now and then.

Why do you think Korabas and GL are more likely to be scum?

I did say when signing up I may not have much time to post or play but will be on when I can, I want lynches like the rest of us and I am looking for the lynches that would give us the most information. For example we could lynch you to find out if you are scum, if you come up innocent then we definately know that Liosan and Rashan are innocent which gives us a better chance coming into endgame, however from what you say it looks like you are a powerful town and if we keep you around we might find out more information.

I am able to switch my vote from Omtose if needed to get a lynch but for now I think his lynch would give us the best information. That's my 2 cents anyway, i'll try and get online later

I pointed out two people because we have to start narrowing down the list of people who are lynchable. Note I explicitly did NOT say they are innocent, yet people keep saying I said that. I said they COULD be Agents. All I know is that they can/could not kill. TIGER is clearly the killer right now for the scum, and while there is likely other killing roles for the scum, if we're looking for TIGER it can't be either Rashan or Liosan. It's not me. I sort of trust Ampelas (although that's gone down with his latest posts). And I think lynching Omtose is an absolute waste of time... it proves NOTHING about my information, about HP's death, or otherwise.

I just have Korabas and GL as suspicious. I did a readthrough of Korabas (some pages back) and GL has been in every mess thus far.

[Barghast]

Korabas, on 18 March 2011 - 11:42 AM, said:

Kalse, on 18 March 2011 - 11:18 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 17 March 2011 - 10:02 AM, said:

TIGER used the distraction of the gun fight to slip into the mansion, tip-toeing over the ancient oak floorboards, always aware of the possibility they might actually be a nightingale trap. Melting into the shadows, he easily avoided a large group of men rushing to the lead exchange, then was almost discovered by a straggler. He followed the target, so close he could feel the man's body heat at times. Almost casually, he aimed the blowgun he carried on his hip - airgun was perhaps a better word - and squeezed the trigger, releasing the air-pressure and punching a conical poison dart into the neck of his victim, closing his mouth with his other hand and bringing him gently down to the floor.

Osseric is dead. He was Silencer, and Agung Redjosentono, a Syndicate Sentry.

Everyone is now level 1, 10 players remaining.

So someone has been using the Omtose Vs HP debacle as cover for their scummy business. Most of us ignored this player, either he seemed harmless/on our side/ or was simply not there when shit was going down. But one player, the straggler, was on to this player, for at least a little while, almost blowing the scum's cover, while the rest of us were rushing ahead to lynch either Omtose or HP.

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 04:46 AM, said:

Well I still think Korabas is the better vote.

Barghast, on 18 March 2011 - 01:11 AM, said:

This is ridiculous. You guys are calling me scum over a guy like GL... incredible. I am not scum, and I do not know who is, but I do know some information about some of the other people in the game. I am not going to tell you how this information came to me.


I am reasonably sure (at this point) that Osseric was as close to "RI" as you're going to get in this game. He was a Syndicate Sentry. I believe the Sentries are the "generic" players for the Syndicate. Omtose has indicated he is "RI" and if you believe him, that means he is also a Sentry.

I know for a fact that Liosan is *not* a Sentry and Rashan *is* a Sentry. I don't know if they are Syndicate or Agents. However, I do know that neither one has a killing action. Maybe they didn't start with one and gained it, I can't say. But if you are trying to narrow down your list of suspects to people who have been able to kill, you have to rule out both Liosan and Rashan.

My bet would be on Korabas or GL... just for the stuff I've already said. I'm also somewhat suspicious of Merrid but that's because he's getting no attention. In a game like that, it usually indicates a good ability by the scum to hide their powerful members, but I don't know if it's vote-worthy.

Rashan, on 18 March 2011 - 06:24 AM, said:

Barghast actually shifted the focus on GL or Korabas I believe, even though he hasn't "gathered info" on either of them yet. He never mentioned Omtose. i think Lio threw out his name because Barghasts reveal shed some question as to what Lios true side is.

As the only one to vote GL this whole game I have to agree with Barghast that GL definately needs to be looked at. I'm not so sure about Korabas. I've felt that both Korabas and Ruse has been very under the radar this whole game. I'll have to take a closer look at all three of them tomorrow.

I'm glad I don't have to make any hasty decisions before bed.

Hope everyone enjoyed their St Patrick's Day. I enjoyed a pitcher of beer while being entertained by some great basketball games. The great thing about March Madness is that there is a whole nother day to do it all over again.

Three names keep cropping up:

Korabas, who did not particpiate in any of the trains. For the first one he was "offline" when all the important stuff happened, and for the second train he placed his vote quite firmly on me, thus explaining his absence from the Omtose Vs HP discussion.

Merrid:Who has been getting almost no attention at all during this game, except for some flak during the first train, and two votes, one of which were switched to Fener later on.

And Ruse, who made a good case in the Omtose vs HP debate, but hasn't really drawn much attention to himself before or after that. His sort of just there.

I think it's probable that one of these three is TIGER...


Anyone else flying under the radar that I've missed?

Your logic is quite good. However you left yourself out. Yesterday I tried to convince people that you were scum and that you needed to be lynched. Nobody else liked it very much but that scene could be talking about that.
The other one that it could have been talking about is Rashan. He was under no pressure but HP was talking to him about a possible finder role and yesterday he was mentioned as possible scum.

So based on your thoughts TIGER could be half of the remaining players in the game. I agree he could be. He could also be someone like amp or GL or really anyone at all. The scene is ambiguous enough to leave room for any number of theories.

I think that Barghast is probably a symp, and would much rather lynch you then him. But if I need to change my vote to get a lynch I will.

Vote Kalse

This looks to me like you aren't even paying attention. Rashan can't be TIGER if he's not a killer. And what makes me a symp, exactly?

[Barghast]

Kalse, on 18 March 2011 - 12:36 PM, said:

Korabas, on 18 March 2011 - 11:42 AM, said:

Kalse, on 18 March 2011 - 11:18 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 17 March 2011 - 10:02 AM, said:

TIGER used the distraction of the gun fight to slip into the mansion, tip-toeing over the ancient oak floorboards, always aware of the possibility they might actually be a nightingale trap. Melting into the shadows, he easily avoided a large group of men rushing to the lead exchange, then was almost discovered by a straggler. He followed the target, so close he could feel the man's body heat at times. Almost casually, he aimed the blowgun he carried on his hip - airgun was perhaps a better word - and squeezed the trigger, releasing the air-pressure and punching a conical poison dart into the neck of his victim, closing his mouth with his other hand and bringing him gently down to the floor.

Osseric is dead. He was Silencer, and Agung Redjosentono, a Syndicate Sentry.

Everyone is now level 1, 10 players remaining.

So someone has been using the Omtose Vs HP debacle as cover for their scummy business. Most of us ignored this player, either he seemed harmless/on our side/ or was simply not there when shit was going down. But one player, the straggler, was on to this player, for at least a little while, almost blowing the scum's cover, while the rest of us were rushing ahead to lynch either Omtose or HP.

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 04:46 AM, said:

Well I still think Korabas is the better vote.

Barghast, on 18 March 2011 - 01:11 AM, said:

This is ridiculous. You guys are calling me scum over a guy like GL... incredible. I am not scum, and I do not know who is, but I do know some information about some of the other people in the game. I am not going to tell you how this information came to me.


I am reasonably sure (at this point) that Osseric was as close to "RI" as you're going to get in this game. He was a Syndicate Sentry. I believe the Sentries are the "generic" players for the Syndicate. Omtose has indicated he is "RI" and if you believe him, that means he is also a Sentry.

I know for a fact that Liosan is *not* a Sentry and Rashan *is* a Sentry. I don't know if they are Syndicate or Agents. However, I do know that neither one has a killing action. Maybe they didn't start with one and gained it, I can't say. But if you are trying to narrow down your list of suspects to people who have been able to kill, you have to rule out both Liosan and Rashan.

My bet would be on Korabas or GL... just for the stuff I've already said. I'm also somewhat suspicious of Merrid but that's because he's getting no attention. In a game like that, it usually indicates a good ability by the scum to hide their powerful members, but I don't know if it's vote-worthy.

Rashan, on 18 March 2011 - 06:24 AM, said:

Barghast actually shifted the focus on GL or Korabas I believe, even though he hasn't "gathered info" on either of them yet. He never mentioned Omtose. i think Lio threw out his name because Barghasts reveal shed some question as to what Lios true side is.

As the only one to vote GL this whole game I have to agree with Barghast that GL definately needs to be looked at. I'm not so sure about Korabas. I've felt that both Korabas and Ruse has been very under the radar this whole game. I'll have to take a closer look at all three of them tomorrow.

I'm glad I don't have to make any hasty decisions before bed.

Hope everyone enjoyed their St Patrick's Day. I enjoyed a pitcher of beer while being entertained by some great basketball games. The great thing about March Madness is that there is a whole nother day to do it all over again.

Three names keep cropping up:

Korabas, who did not particpiate in any of the trains. For the first one he was "offline" when all the important stuff happened, and for the second train he placed his vote quite firmly on me, thus explaining his absence from the Omtose Vs HP discussion.

Merrid:Who has been getting almost no attention at all during this game, except for some flak during the first train, and two votes, one of which were switched to Fener later on.

And Ruse, who made a good case in the Omtose vs HP debate, but hasn't really drawn much attention to himself before or after that. His sort of just there.

I think it's probable that one of these three is TIGER...


Anyone else flying under the radar that I've missed?

Your logic is quite good. However you left yourself out. Yesterday I tried to convince people that you were scum and that you needed to be lynched. Nobody else liked it very much but that scene could be talking about that.
The other one that it could have been talking about is Rashan. He was under no pressure but HP was talking to him about a possible finder role and yesterday he was mentioned as possible scum.

So based on your thoughts TIGER could be half of the remaining players in the game. I agree he could be. He could also be someone like amp or GL or really anyone at all. The scene is ambiguous enough to leave room for any number of theories.

I think that Barghast is probably a symp, and would much rather lynch you then him. But if I need to change my vote to get a lynch I will.

Vote Kalse

Well neither Amp or GL really qualifies as people who're flying under the radar. Rashan is an option yes, but if Barghast's reveal is anything to go by, Rashan is either innocent, or a low-level scum with no killing action (if I read that right?), who might have gained a killing action when we all leveled up, but that was after Osseric died, which sorta rules Rashan out as TIGER.

And yes, in the scene you could be the straggler, and I could be TIGER, but I know it isn't. If a lynch is what is required to prove that, then that's a price I'll pay gladly.

Anyway, if Barghast is innocent, it would be weird for him to "symp" me if I'm scum...

Thank you... some reason, finally. I think the straggler was Osseric, right? He's the guy that got killed, isn't he?

[Barghast]

Path-Shaper, on 17 March 2011 - 10:02 AM, said:

TIGER used the distraction of the gun fight to slip into the mansion, tip-toeing over the ancient oak floorboards, always aware of the possibility they might actually be a nightingale trap. Melting into the shadows, he easily avoided a large group of men rushing to the lead exchange, then was almost discovered by a straggler. He followed the target, so close he could feel the man's body heat at times. Almost casually, he aimed the blowgun he carried on his hip - airgun was perhaps a better word - and squeezed the trigger, releasing the air-pressure and punching a conical poison dart into the neck of his victim, closing his mouth with his other hand and bringing him gently down to the floor.

Osseric is dead. He was Silencer, and Agung Redjosentono, a Syndicate Sentry.

Everyone is now level 1, 10 players remaining.

Doesn't this indicate that TIGER hid from a group of men (the people going to the fire fight where HP was "killed") and followed one of the men that was lagging behind (the straggler), and killed that guy?

[Barghast]

I'm really bewildered by the idea that Omtose's CF somehow resolves Day 2's lynch and my information in one fell swoop.

I am really unsure of where to vote right now, but one big reason I don't want to vote Korabas is that he's still convinced I'm a symp. I can't imagine scum would keep bandying that idea around when most people are saying I'm inno. It's "easier" to just fall in with the crowd and say that "that guy" is innocent.

For all of GL's messiness, he probably puts more thought into his cases than anyone else. He remembers key details. I tend to find scum miss details because they are more focused on their own agendas and not the small stuff.

For purposes of finding TIGER I don't see how voting Liosan or Rashan is at all useful. I still think enough of Ampelas to rule him out for today. So the candidates I have to chose from are Kalse, Merrid, and Ruse.

I think it's very erroneous to assume that on-thread discussion somehow factors into Tapper's scenes. He's done this a few times... he knows that too much info in the scenes makes it hard for the scum to win. Just because a guy was or wasn't discussed, don't assume that means people who aren't discussed (Merrid, Ruse) can't be TIGER.

[Ruse]

Okay.

Obviously, I was wrong about Barghast. I believe him, and by extension Liosan. The entire Barghast/Kalse mess never made sense, and the fact that Korabas is STILL pushing it is totally bizarre. Kalse hasn't really stirred anything up that I can see, and Korabas doesn't even give a reason for voting Kalse... And now I'm looking at the thread and I see GL has gone over a lot of this.

Reading back, Barghast kept telling everyone to look at GL or Korabas when we thought he was scummy... I still get the feeling he's wrong about GL though.

--I've just refreshed - Barghast, why are you so sure that an Omtose lynch is worthless? At the very least we can go back and get some train info from Day 2. Also, about TIGER:

Osseric, on 17 March 2011 - 07:13 AM, said:

If we need a hammer, I'm around, I guess. No preference, both lynches seem pretty random...almost day-one, if it weren't for the tenuous logic based of day one behaviour. >.<

This post was made just before Amp put Omtose at L-1. Then there was discussion, Osseric offered AGAIN to be the hammer, just for the sake of getting info, and then Kalse came in and RV'd and voted HP - followed by Amp, GL, and...

Osseric, on 17 March 2011 - 08:11 AM, said:

Remove vote

Vote HP

Fine, seeing as nothing else is likely now...sudden doubts about Omtose, though!

Also, the remove vote is just precautionary...

The hammer. Or, the straggler. Either way, if we're talking about Osseric as the straggler, this makes sense.

Vote Omtose

I'm willing to go for Korabas but I think we should resolve the Omtose Situation first.

[Ruse]

I'm going to be in the car most of the day but I should be able to post occasionally from my phone. I wanted to get my vote in before leaving - how long is left till the weekend break? I know we talked about trying to end the Day before then but it doesn't seem like it will happen.

[Barghast]

Ruse, OK it's not "worthless" but it does not resolve anything about Day 2 if he comes up inno. If he comes up scum, yes, it resolves a LOT and probably indicates HP was inno and the smoke bomb was a precaution against Omtose's lynch... but I don't like the idea that we're trying to resolve some past business with a lynch based on imperfect information.

[Barghast]

Well I'm going to vote Omtose, then since a lot of people seem to think it's worth resolving. I do think he could be scum, absolutely... if anything, he has the knack for appearing right when his name is being floated around.

Vote Omtose

[Korabas]

Ok I did miss that half reveal post by barghast. I freely admit that with out that connection I don't have a case or a reason for my kalse vote. I still think he is scum. As such I feel comfortable with my vote. I can move it if we need a lynch.

[Tapper]

10 alive, 6 to lynch, 5 for night.
1 votes for Barghast (Omtose)
5 votes for Omtose (Liosan, Merrid, Kalse, Ruse, Barghast)
1 vote for Kalse (Korabas)
1 vote for Korabas (GL)

This post has been edited by Tapper: 18 March 2011 - 04:06 PM