[Rashan]

Korabas, on 17 March 2011 - 10:09 PM, said:

Rashan, on 17 March 2011 - 09:50 PM, said:

Korabas, on 17 March 2011 - 02:52 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 17 March 2011 - 02:47 AM, said:

Korabas, on 17 March 2011 - 02:39 AM, said:

Liosan, on 17 March 2011 - 02:30 AM, said:

And reall.. if you think you spot a finder... why wouldn't you want to keep it to yourself...

Right now I see

Kalse being defending by Barhast and

Hood's Path pointing out town roles, thus being connected to Rashan.

I guess it is a question of how many scum are in this game. I think that 4 would be about right. Two different sets of spy's perhaps.

Not that I necessarily agree, but I can follow your logic for Kalse, Barghast, and HP, but how exactly did you figure Rashan to be scum as well?

I don't know if he is scum or not. Just that HP was referring to his post earlier. I actually haven't seen anything that would make me suspicious of our power shortage friend. Who I hope is far away from the radiation winds.

Nope not in Japan. We just had a fairly serious wind storm that knocked down a bunch of power lines that took a while to get fixed. I'm currently in the middle of a catch up and am making the mistake of watching basketball so I'm not geting very far at the moment. Damn there have been some great games today.

Seriously did you see the Morehead game against Louisville. WOW. Louisville was favored by 9 1/2. The butler and ODU game was pretty intense too. Good start.

yes I did. I also so the ending of the Princeton Kentucky game. I was soooo heart broken that the braniacs couldn't pull off the upset against the jocks. At around the 3 minute mark they had two possesions that the blew that could have been the difference in the game. Though I was disappointed with the outcome it was still a great game. I finally had to mute the TV as I really need to step up my game and I have a few chores I need to get done before too much longer.

[Rashan]

Liosan, on 17 March 2011 - 10:17 PM, said:

Yeah, the Kalse Barghast connection doesn't seem to be all that strong. While the Barghast defense of HP is pretty evident.

I am down for a Barghast Lynch. The only issue is that he was blantant of his support for HP. Meaning probable symp. Which means a worthless CF.

An Omtose lynch would be effective in that we could see what possible CF scum was trying to hide. If he comes back inno, I think we can say pretty clearly that HP was scum with Barghast as his possible symp.

At this time those are the 2 most vaible lynches that would net us the most info.

Seroiusly. There have been more than one person convinced that Barghast is most likely scum. Yet only GL has put his convictions down in a vote. I definately see what people are saying about him too. I have also seen nothing on thread that would lead me to think that Omtose might be scum. Even the smoke screen to hide the CF is circumstancial. Doesn't anyone stand by their convictions anymore.

[Rashan]

Well. I have to go for a while. I'll be back later for a last post or two before beddy by.

[Omtose]

catching up

[Path-Shaper]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADS of time left.

10 alive, 6 to lynch, 5 for night.
1 vote for Barghast (Galayn Lord)

all the others have not voted.

I hope you're all having fun, I know I am.
I'm now out for bed.

[Omtose]

caught up, and glad to be alive

I tried to get online last night, but the server was down for hours and it was St paddys day so after the first few attempts i just went to the pub.

I doubt the smoke screen was aimed. I think its more of a 'whoever get lynched cloud there CI' Also with osserics death the level went up. maybe it was just a using up of an ability before it went to waste?

[Liosan]

Rashan, on 17 March 2011 - 10:39 PM, said:

Liosan, on 17 March 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 06:32 PM, said:

Also, I am NOT going to buy into the idea that HP's mysterious death is a clear indication of his scuminess. Honestly, it would be a perfect storm to drop a load of confusion like that from an early lynch.. it completely alters the way people think about his lynch. A lot of people here are buying into the idea that the confusion helps scum, ergo he must be scum... this is true, but that confusion is perfect for a non-scum, lynch, too... possibly even better since it distracts the thread.

This is true and I had thought about that. BUT, if it was a scum ability to be used on an inno CF how would it go about being activated? Do the scum have to put it in as a day action? If so it was meant to cover Omtose's death as he was at L-1 and this is an iron man game where all actions can only be submitted once. You have to assume that at the point Omtose was at L-1 most actions were in. So we are left with:

HP was Scum and had an ability that covered his CF
HP was inno and a scum ability meant for Omtose was used on HP after the crazy turn around.

Of the both options, option one seems more likely.

Speculating on when or why the ability was activated is irrevelant. The ablility to hide a CF has to be an agent ablility as it hurts the Syndicate's ablility to gather info. The Syndicate has to go with the assumption that we lynched a Syndicate member as that is the WCS.

If we assume he was syndicate then we have no where to go. I see what you are saying in regard to WCS for a potential D-day but it's a rather narrow sided view in terms of where we go next.

[Liosan]

Omtose, on 17 March 2011 - 11:58 PM, said:

caught up, and glad to be alive

I tried to get online last night, but the server was down for hours and it was St paddys day so after the first few attempts i just went to the pub.

I doubt the smoke screen was aimed. I think its more of a 'whoever get lynched cloud there CI' Also with osserics death the level went up. maybe it was just a using up of an ability before it went to waste?

So based on last night's happenings who are your top 3 for scum?

[Liosan]

well, i am gonna be out for a few hours, possible 20 hours depending on how drunk I get (halfway there right now) going to

vote Barghast

I am confident HP was scum, and if he was then it stands to reason that Barghast is as well.

[Omtose]

from last night? barghasts deflections are really suspicious ( and not just because he was trying his darndest to get those on the HP train to vote for me )

GL still looks like he is symping nearly everybody, but i think he has clamed down and became more productive recently.

If i assume that GL is symping then we have to look at who, which leeds me back to Amp and GLS nearly instantanious vote for fener, but i think Amp has been playing in the interests of town so far, so im begining to doubt myself there

I'm thinking of voting on Barghast as he seems the scummiest at the moment...in fact

Vote Barghast

i should be on for a while if something more concrete turns up

[Barghast]

This is ridiculous. You guys are calling me scum over a guy like GL... incredible. I am not scum, and I do not know who is, but I do know some information about some of the other people in the game. I am not going to tell you how this information came to me.


I am reasonably sure (at this point) that Osseric was as close to "RI" as you're going to get in this game. He was a Syndicate Sentry. I believe the Sentries are the "generic" players for the Syndicate. Omtose has indicated he is "RI" and if you believe him, that means he is also a Sentry.

I know for a fact that Liosan is *not* a Sentry and Rashan *is* a Sentry. I don't know if they are Syndicate or Agents. However, I do know that neither one has a killing action. Maybe they didn't start with one and gained it, I can't say. But if you are trying to narrow down your list of suspects to people who have been able to kill, you have to rule out both Liosan and Rashan.

My bet would be on Korabas or GL... just for the stuff I've already said. I'm also somewhat suspicious of Merrid but that's because he's getting no attention. In a game like that, it usually indicates a good ability by the scum to hide their powerful members, but I don't know if it's vote-worthy.

[Barghast]

Also, for what little it's probably worth, Ampelas is probably the person I trust the most right now. It feels like he's had a lot of opportunities to affect lynches and he hasn't taken those opportunities. That speaks to a careful inno in my mind.

[Liosan]

dammit. Check the thread for a sec and that little nugget drops...

remove vote

I can verify what barghast says. I no longer think he is scum. I have no problem doing this because my role has been performed/made void. I am not going to say what it is, but for all intents and purposes I am RI as well. .



@Barghast why do you trust Amp the most? He is someone you seem to have no info on.

With this new info I think the most info we are going to get is an Omtose Lynch.

vote Omtose

this will, 1. put the omtose issue to rest. 2. act as a soft find to see if barghast is telling the truth.

ok i am leaving for the Pub.

hasta

[Galayn Lord]

Wow, I'm glad I checked in on this thread before heading out.

I need some more time to think this over before I go ahead and change my vote, but if what the two of you are saying is correct, than an Omtose vote would indeed be the most informative and go a ways towards clarifying day 2's events.

Don't think I'll be able to check back in again until tomorrow morning, Happy St. Patty's day all!

[Barghast]

Liosan, on 18 March 2011 - 02:38 AM, said:

dammit. Check the thread for a sec and that little nugget drops...

remove vote

I can verify what barghast says. I no longer think he is scum. I have no problem doing this because my role has been performed/made void. I am not going to say what it is, but for all intents and purposes I am RI as well. .



@Barghast why do you trust Amp the most? He is someone you seem to have no info on.

With this new info I think the most info we are going to get is an Omtose Lynch.

vote Omtose

this will, 1. put the omtose issue to rest. 2. act as a soft find to see if barghast is telling the truth.

ok i am leaving for the Pub.

hasta

Because Ampelas has acted the most innocent, to me. He has had opportunities to drive lynches and didn't take them. I just looked at how I would have played and he's been that guy. Doesn't mean he *is* inno... I've been quite wrong before... Tapper fooled me good, once.

[Omtose]

how would my lynch show that barghast is telling the truth?

[Ampelas]

iz back.

seems stuff has happened.

[Ampelas]

Merrid, on 17 March 2011 - 03:37 PM, said:

There are meant to be clues in the scene's given by PS. That's how I see it, we do not know if HP was scum or not, it looks like there was confusion surrounding the whole thing. It looked like scum was making a move and was foiled but we do not know who the scum was, my thinking is that it was Omtose vs HP, one of them was scum whilst the other was innocent and because HP's CF came up with us still clueless and a night kill going off it looks like Omtose was just buying one more day so he could get his kill in before we lynch him.

I understand we needed a lynch and looking at HP's posts it did set off the alarm bells so I have no qualms in the change of vote, what I do have qualms about is Omtose stating he is RI. At the start it did mention strictly no reveals, but this might have just swung the vote over to HP for his erratic play. I feel the only way we can no for sure whether or not we hit scum with HP is by lynching Omtose.

With the fact that there was a night kill and we do not know for sure if HP was town or scum this seems like the logical way forward

I will read over the thread again, there has been a lot of action towards end of day yesterday and then there is a lynch scene and a kill scene to go through

First things that come to mind on the re read is that GL is jumping everywhere, like he doesn't care who gets voted off as long as its not him.

Cross post with Barghy, also @ barghy it was Osseric not Omtose that was killed

I don't think Merrid's been back since this post

[Ampelas]

Omtose, on 18 March 2011 - 03:17 AM, said:

how would my lynch show that barghast is telling the truth?

it wouldn't necessarily.
but, if you turn out scum, we'd be more suspicious of Bargy for pushing your lynch. if you turn out scum, it would validate Barghast's story.

not a great plan for you, I agree.

[Barghast]

Ampelas, on 18 March 2011 - 04:06 AM, said:

Omtose, on 18 March 2011 - 03:17 AM, said:

how would my lynch show that barghast is telling the truth?

it wouldn't necessarily.
but, if you turn out scum, we'd be more suspicious of Bargy for pushing your lynch. if you turn out scum, it would validate Barghast's story.

not a great plan for you, I agree.

If Omtose turns out some that makes me suspicious for pushing his lynch? How does that make sense? If he turns out scum, it neither proves nor disproves me. I have no info about Omtose.