[Cyphon]

Also have people seen that they're going to do a (not re)read of ASOIAF on tor.com ?

Starts this week, perfect timing for the TV series.

[playdoe]

LoL...no...pay attention...I got the movie (MALAZAN) rumors from wikipedia...all the way at the bottom... http://en.wikipedia....k_of_the_Fallen ...see here's the link!!! So this is news I actually found...not from my friend (Who fed me the bull of George Martin reading Malazan books). Thank you guys for the welcomes..especially you Abyss...About Sean Ben (spelling) I think his part as a lead was crucial. If you notice most of the other actors are really not known so this gives the series a boost. I know in other series such as a certain "SEEKER" they didn't really stick to the series/books, but it was fun either way. Authors these days are getting alot smarter, lots of the movies and shows produced are out of there hands, meaning when they sign a book deal they don't forsee it ever getting bigger IE: Anne Rice and Queen of the Damned. The movie was made by Warner Bros completely not following storyine or book, and why is that..?? If Warner Bros hadn't started producing/filming the movie within a period of time they would've lost rights back to the author?? How they ever loose them is beyond me..

[playdoe]

Rumors of a film version of the series have circulated for the past several years. Steven Erikson and Ian Cameron Esslemont originally developed Gardens of the Moon as a film script, apparently a comedy centering on the Phoenix Inn Regulars of the first novel. All copies of this script now seem to have been lost. More recently, a script has been in development entitled Chain of Dogs, which is essentially an adaptation of a major plot strand of the novel Deadhouse Gates. This script is awaiting funding. The writers (who have consulted with Steven Erikson on the project) have declared they hope to fund the film outside of the Hollywood system, but acknowledge the large budget and extensive CGI requirements may make this impossible.


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Wait, what?

Source on Chain of Dogs movie info, please, or is this also info from your friend?
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I replied I replied...look on the second page my friend and theres even a link...dammit. I finally have some evidence!! Playdoe

[caladanbrood]

Evidence? Sorry to rain on your parade, but all those rumours started here on the forum (this thread, infact: http://forum.malazan...wtopic=329&st=0 ) at least 8 years ago, because one of Erikson's friends was working on a script for the Chain of Dogs. It even got as far as choosing ideal locations before it fell apart, and it was not optioned by Hollywood. Note: In that thread, the original several pages were lost in a forum re-boot, hence it starting seemingly mid-topic when you read.




If we're quoting stuff, you should also note that on the very section of the page you are quoting from, it notes that no references or sources are provided. I hope you don't take everything you read on there as gospel, since anyone in the world can edit anything they feel like...

[Ceda Cicero]

[Cobbles]

So it starts in a few weeks from now? Will the first season cover the whole GoT, part of it, or maybe even some of the second book? I went to the HBO website and of course there's all the information you never asked for and nothing of what you really want to know.

This post has been edited by Cobbles: 25 March 2011 - 04:35 PM

[Ceda Cicero]

Cobbles, on 25 March 2011 - 04:33 PM, said:

So it starts in a few weeks from now? Will the first season cover the whole GoT, part of it, or maybe even some of the second book? I went to the HBO website and of course there's all the information you never asked for and nothing of what you really want to know.

US air date is April 17. Not sure about other countries, though I believe the UK is April 18. There's to be a 15 minute sneak preview on April 3 in the US (and I'm sure elsewhere, but don't have the details.)


IIRC, each season will be one of the books, though I suppose there's every chance that they might tinker with that a little. I think they would almost have to for season 2 and especially 3, and God knows if it makes it to a fourth season everything will get crazy with the whole FfC and aDwD being (sorta kinda not really but still a little bit) two halves of the same coin.

[Cobbles]

Cicero, on 25 March 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

Cobbles, on 25 March 2011 - 04:33 PM, said:

So it starts in a few weeks from now? Will the first season cover the whole GoT, part of it, or maybe even some of the second book? I went to the HBO website and of course there's all the information you never asked for and nothing of what you really want to know.

US air date is April 17. Not sure about other countries, though I believe the UK is April 18. There's to be a 15 minute sneak preview on April 3 in the US (and I'm sure elsewhere, but don't have the details.)


IIRC, each season will be one of the books, though I suppose there's every chance that they might tinker with that a little. I think they would almost have to for season 2 and especially 3, and God knows if it makes it to a fourth season everything will get crazy with the whole FfC and aDwD being (sorta kinda not really but still a little bit) two halves of the same coin.

Thanks. So the first season will cover book 1, and I assume the second season, which HBO will likely think about pretty soon, should then cover book 2. That makes sense. Everything beyond that is probably just speculation.

The one thing I wonder about is how the HBO series will handle the almost complete disconnect of the Danarys (sp?) story with the rest. I guess we'll know more in a few months.

This post has been edited by Cobbles: 25 March 2011 - 05:27 PM

[Ceda Cicero]

Cobbles, on 25 March 2011 - 05:26 PM, said:

Cicero, on 25 March 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

Cobbles, on 25 March 2011 - 04:33 PM, said:

So it starts in a few weeks from now? Will the first season cover the whole GoT, part of it, or maybe even some of the second book? I went to the HBO website and of course there's all the information you never asked for and nothing of what you really want to know.

US air date is April 17. Not sure about other countries, though I believe the UK is April 18. There's to be a 15 minute sneak preview on April 3 in the US (and I'm sure elsewhere, but don't have the details.)


IIRC, each season will be one of the books, though I suppose there's every chance that they might tinker with that a little. I think they would almost have to for season 2 and especially 3, and God knows if it makes it to a fourth season everything will get crazy with the whole FfC and aDwD being (sorta kinda not really but still a little bit) two halves of the same coin.

Thanks. So the first season will cover book 1, and I assume the second season, which HBO will likely think about pretty soon, should then cover book 2. That makes sense. Everything beyond that is probably just speculation.

The one thing I wonder about is how the HBO series will handle the almost complete disconnect of the Danarys (sp?) story with the rest. I guess we'll know more in a few months.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "handle," but then again I'm in the camp of readers who never once felt that the disconnect was problematic, jarring or even all that wide. To me, Dany is no more disconnected from the story than Jon on the Wall. Yes, I understand the geographic distance is much more vast, but there are still enough common empirical references and exchanges of characters and plot points (Barristan, Ser Jorah, and more loosely assassination attempts sanctioned by Robert) to where I've never questioned her relevance.

I should think it wouldn't be that difficult for even the uninitiated to piece together why and how Dany's story, though at first glance totally separate from the happenings in Westeros, is relevant. It helps that it's a compelling tale in its own right. And TBH, if they can't, I'm not sure they stand much chance of piecing together some of the more nuanced layers of the story. Again, take this for what it's worth - I'm a bit of a Daenerys fanboy.

This post has been edited by Cicero: 25 March 2011 - 05:46 PM

[Werthead]

Season 1 covers all of AGoT, but drops back a couple of elements (most notably the Tullys, including the Blackfish and Edmure) until Season 2 and brings forward a few other elements (some of Yoren's other recruits) from Book 2. These are pretty minor though.

Dany's story is being handled the same way it is in the books, and if that means handling two storylines simultaneously-but-separately for five seasons, so be it.

[caladanbrood]

Having two seperate storylines will work quite well I think. Give a sense of the scale of the series, and keep people hanging for when the two threads collide for people not reading the books

[Cobbles]

Cicero, on 25 March 2011 - 05:42 PM, said:

I'm not really sure what you mean by "handle," but then again I'm in the camp of readers who never once felt that the disconnect was problematic, jarring or even all that wide. To me, Dany is no more disconnected from the story than Jon on the Wall. Yes, I understand the geographic distance is much more vast, but there are still enough common empirical references and exchanges of characters and plot points (Barristan, Ser Jorah, and more loosely assassination attempts sanctioned by Robert) to where I've never questioned her relevance.

I should think it wouldn't be that difficult for even the uninitiated to piece together why and how Dany's story, though at first glance totally separate from the happenings in Westeros, is relevant. It helps that it's a compelling tale in its own right. And TBH, if they can't, I'm not sure they stand much chance of piecing together some of the more nuanced layers of the story. Again, take this for what it's worth - I'm a bit of a Daenerys fanboy.

Well, your first paragraph pretty much sums up all the connecting threads between the two stories for the entirety of the series so far (not just book 1).

The screen is a different, much faster paced medium. A dialogue beyond a few sentences will feel drawn out. Exposition, explanatory passages, etc. have to be completed within a few minutes. On the other hand, gestures, facial expression, lighting, composition, camera angle, music can convey moods, feelings, nuances in a split second. But a lot of these techniques only work when you have actors playing against each other. This will work fine for the main story, but Daenerys will have only secondary or tertiary characters around her for a long long time. So I have problems seeing how it can be pulled of successfully. In particular when I think it didn't work well even in the book.

The wall is to some degree similar, but beside John, it also has Sam and Tyrione I believe (two POVs), and a few others. It's not completely isolated. There is some coming and going of characters.

But you're right, later in the series (FFC), as GRRM expands it and the pace drops significantly, this is going to be a more general problem, because of the large number of disjointed storylines.

[Tyr]

Doubt the series will make it past SoS. Infact, they should stop at the end of SoS. The war of 5 kings is basically over by that point, and so is the major "Game of Thrones" element.

[End of Disc One]

Tyr, on 26 March 2011 - 07:31 AM, said:

Doubt the series will make it past SoS. Infact, they should stop at the end of SoS. The war of 5 kings is basically over by that point, and so is the major "Game of Thrones" element.

Stop there and never have Dany's plotline merge with the rest? Yeah I don't support that idea.

[QuickTidal]

Tyr, on 26 March 2011 - 07:31 AM, said:

Doubt the series will make it past SoS. Infact, they should stop at the end of SoS. The war of 5 kings is basically over by that point, and so is the major "Game of Thrones" element.

You say that like after the war in the last two books people won't be scrabbling to get on the throne. Don't discount an unfinished series.

[Ceda Cicero]

Tyr, on 26 March 2011 - 07:31 AM, said:

Doubt the series will make it past SoS. Infact, they should stop at the end of SoS. The war of 5 kings is basically over by that point, and so is the major "Game of Thrones" element.

Because Euron, Cersei, the Martells, Dany, Littlefinger and the Tyrells aren't up to anything.

Just because the "Game of Thrones element" lagged a little in FfC doesn't mean it's over altogether.

[Tyr]

Just saying thats the best place to end the series. Let's say they go up to DwD. So there is a convergence followed by nothing.... Hmm... Or even if Dany invades - Dany invades! Fin. Hmm.

At some point, the scope is just too large for a TV series to handle, especially if it has to be finished off before the very end.

[Cobbles]

End of Disc One, on 26 March 2011 - 11:59 AM, said:

Tyr, on 26 March 2011 - 07:31 AM, said:

Doubt the series will make it past SoS. Infact, they should stop at the end of SoS. The war of 5 kings is basically over by that point, and so is the major "Game of Thrones" element.

Stop there and never have Dany's plotline merge with the rest? Yeah I don't support that idea.

Well, it's TV. Although this season might be fairly faithful to the books, who knows what they do for a possible second or third season? It's not like there's no writers in Hollywood who could merge the stories in a satisfactory (for the TV audience) fashion. If there is a second or even third season, that discussion will come up in the meetings.

[Cobbles]

So I watched it with my wife (who isn't into fantasy). She thought it started out gross and then veered toward the pornographic. In particular the Dothraki wedding scene was pretty ridiculous.

I thought it was faithful to the book as far as I can remember it. Great production value and decent acting. Also, I wasn't surprised by the adult material, but I also thought that the piling up of these scenes towards the end was a bit much.

[Abyss]

Werthead, on 25 March 2011 - 05:42 PM, said:

Season 1 covers all of AGoT, but drops back a couple of elements ...

...Dany's story is being handled the same way it is in the books, and if that means handling two storylines simultaneously-but-separately for five seasons, so be it.

caladanbrood, on 25 March 2011 - 07:27 PM, said:

Having two seperate storylines will work quite well I think. Give a sense of the scale of the series, and keep people hanging for when the two threads collide for people not reading the books

Cobbles, on 25 March 2011 - 07:41 PM, said:

Cicero, on 25 March 2011 - 05:42 PM, said:

I'm not really sure what you mean by "handle," but then again I'm in the camp of readers who never once felt that the disconnect was problematic,... I've never questioned her relevance.

I should think it wouldn't be that difficult for even the uninitiated to piece together why and how Dany's story,...

Well, your first paragraph pretty much sums up all the connecting threads between the two stories for the entirety of the series so far (not just book 1).

The screen is a different, much faster paced medium. ...but Daenerys will have only secondary or tertiary characters around her for a long long time. So I have problems seeing how it can be pulled of successfully. In particular when I think it didn't work well even in the book.

The wall is to some degree similar, but beside John, it also has Sam and Tyrione I believe (two POVs), and a few others. It's not completely isolated. There is some coming and going of characters.

But you're right, later in the series (FFC), as GRRM expands it and the pace drops significantly, this is going to be a more general problem, because of the large number of disjointed storylines.

It's funny, because many, many tv shows have self-destructed BECAUSE of disconnected storylines (HEROES being the obvious example, where in the dismal later seasons they have 3-4 utterly separate plotlines running and never ever connecting, thus losing viewers who only gave a crap about one or two characters...).

So i'll be curious to see how Dany and Jon are handled, becaus estrictly speaking, there is no reason for much overlap, other than an eventual collission in season ten or whatever, but drama tv epics, even on HBO, dont tend to live that long.

That said, this...

Tyr, on 26 March 2011 - 07:31 AM, said:

Doubt the series will make it past SoS. Infact, they should stop at the end of SoS. The war of 5 kings is basically over by that point, and so is the major "Game of Thrones" element.

Tyr, on 28 March 2011 - 02:09 AM, said:

Just saying thats the best place to end the series. ...

Isn't workable, because they have intro'd the White Walkers plotline, and that would be left utterly unresolved unless the tv show seriously goes astray from the books.

And i'm totally fine with them doing so, but i hope it's in an intelligent way.

The reality is, there are MASSIVE chunks of the books that can be left aside, shortened or re-prioritized. A 'complete' story could be told in three seasons if they want...

speculation but sideways SPOILERS to the books to date...

Spoiler

S1, set up all the players in three main storylines, mainly Jon, Dany, Robb. Ned's storyline ends. Badly.

S2, all three solidify their power bases, with one suitably big massive cast of thousands fight scene per setting. Robb doesn't end up the way he does in the books.

S3, tie it all together, Dany returns, Jon holds the wall, Robb opposes/joins Dany, everyone joins against the evil White Walker threat, end of story.

et voila... rock solid three season epic fantasy HBO series ready for DVD sales and syndication.

Cobbles, on 18 April 2011 - 03:40 AM, said:

So I watched it with my wife (who isn't into fantasy). She thought it started out gross and then veered toward the pornographic. In particular the Dothraki wedding scene was pretty ridiculous.

I thought it was faithful to the book as far as I can remember it. Great production value and decent acting. Also, I wasn't surprised by the adult material, but I also thought that the piling up of these scenes towards the end was a bit much.

I admit to being reluctant to recommend it to lady viewers not familiar with the books... EPISODE 1 SPOILERS

Spoiler

after a relatively cool opening (pun intended) we have 'fantasy politics' (boring to the non-fan), Dany being incestuously groped and then married off, and incest, mostly with a whole lot of doggie position... ummm.... y'know, this IS a fantasy series... maybe a sword-fight? (the Dothraki one doesn't count)....

It wasn't a perfect first ep but it was solid enuf.