[Hugin & Munin]

how did you either - thepartridge shouldnt have been in in sh unless they had the password

[Hugin & Munin]

Kalse, on 04 March 2011 - 10:05 AM, said:

Yeah, I fold. I got nothing, and I ain't going to bluff that hard just yet. Even though this means I'm losing a man.

Hrm. Wait a second. Raise 10, please.

Raise 10

Muahahha. I intend to get someone lynched before I let this hand play out.

[Tattersail_]

they've been watching the last few games, i gave them the password so that they could have a look behind the scenes, as we welcome new players don't we, the more the merrier.

[Hugin & Munin]

Kalse, on 04 March 2011 - 10:49 AM, said:

Freaking chain faction games, man. Wtf has my second been doing? I mean, sure, he's important, but dammit, when you end up starting a lynch train yourself, in a game where Captains are targets for FMs - i.e. PEOPLE WITH FREAKING NIGHT ACTIONS - there is something wrong.

I mean, there's also the whole issue I brought up on thread of the lower ranked players being easily traded and not knowing their captain. So, people can be pointing at me and saying "low-poster must be x, lynch hiiiiiim!" while I'm actually their damn leader. Then again, not that this really matters as they might end up on another team before day is out.

Basically, life one's should be leading the charge. Mr Z should be hiding like crazy, because he has no-one really to sway the game. Mr J and I, on the other hand, should be a bit more free to move around, seeing as we have decent sized factions covering our asses. Instead I've ended up with what amounts to a neon sign above my head screaming FACTION LEADER in bright pink and blue. Sure, logic says I wouldn't start a lynch if I was a captain, except that obviously I WAS low-posting, joining trains at the end, etc. So perhaps it's worth the risk to move into me? Or at least to find on me. Ugh.

If I don't get picked up as a Captain, it will be a damned miracle. Heck, my own damn faction is liable to end up lynching me because I've been laying low. Wtf.

I like the setup, dibs, don't get me wrong, but it kinda seems like a game predicated on certain players being crucial to on-thread, and others crucial off-thread. Except that means you need strong players in those positions, and it's random draw. So, for example, if my life one guy is lost, or if he's not doing his job right, my faction gets its ass handed to it. If I'm not doing my job right, my faction gets nuked (let's not talk about the added issue on that end of playing a game of luck, balls, and skill), and if my second isn't up with the game enough to realise the first life isn't doing their job properly and step in, well...

Basically, I dragged my own ass out of the fire via off-thread play. I managed to prevent early control swinging to Jernau, and now it's basically whoever gets the best cards/most cash from days ending gets an extra player or two. Or credits. That's about the limit of my involvement unless I get a good hand and wipe Jernau down to team Z size. Or vice versa.
But then my own team isn't picking up on their end and playing with the lynches. I'm not asking for a team-wide highlighting, or anything, dammit, just a bit of thought and effort out there. And that has to start with the first life, or the second. No-one else is aware of who NOT to vote for that might be team important. Hell, even the first life has to take a cue from the second as to who the captain is. Without the other teams picking up on it as well.

Bah. Minor rant is arrogant and ranty. But not necessarily wrong.

There have been a dearth of proactive play. you would be amazed how many high ups have had successful finds done on them, and no mentioning on thread. The lifes should be poisoning like crazy, but dont seem interested in doing so (something caps are immune to). Really with no nk and use of cards i had expected to captains to be th emost aggressive players as they are little more than symps to the powerful seconds or poisoning lives yet immune to everything but the fm.




@tat - of course - just didnt know they had access

[Tattersail_]

the thing with the captains being aggressive though they draw attention to themselves, hp and rashan have had no pressure their way and they have posted high and their teams have played good around them, by low posting kalse has not given his second a direction to move in, and by doing this life 1 and then 2 and then 3 are randomly guessing who to go for, if a captain makes a move then the second should follow subtely then the 1st life etc.

there is little interaction on the thread because everyone is too scared to get voted, by causing rifts. they shouldn't care about this unless they are a captain or a second, they should be making waves at least.

This goes back to my lynch, if the table was turned and they ended up lynching silanah that would have given a whole host of information, it would have gotten Liosan killed and Kraiklyn would have been in such a strong position.

If that had happened, two second would be dead and my original faction would have dominated the play then, plus by Kalse winning the hands, he would have had me back on his team, and people would know who i am as a low life, same with merrid, but our captain would've been hidden behind the smoke screen.

[Hugin & Munin]

the captains are the least vital part. a solid front by the lifes to attack or the seconds to utilise their abilities would make the game much quicker. the captains want to work and stay alive, but dying isnt the end of the world for them as the seconds can take over.

[Hugin & Munin]

Kalse, on 04 March 2011 - 11:16 AM, said:

I think the lack of reveals is due to the aforementioned potential faction shifts. There's little to no offensive play, most people on-thread spend their time worrying about the card game, or making stock posts about faction hunting and FM possibilities.

And I get the feeling, from my own experience, that the captains are focused on playing poker, and lying low. After all, we're the only way that an FM can win, and we're the nominal 'faction leader', though as you say, the seconds are actually the pivot point. Hell, losing a captain to a lynch isn't even that large a loss.

No idea why the lives ain't poisoning though. It's value is dubious as a soft-find, due to the natural healing of each life, but it's still a powerful tool if enough players are slinging.

Heck, look at day one. The lynch was off a random vote with no backing, not even a half-hearted attempt at a day one case of sorts, and we haven't moved away from that since. Someone pointed out the uselessness of trains on thread, and I think it's apparent that so long as the FM doesn't jump, it's like finding a needle in a haystack, and so the game stagnates. Iunno, it's just a weird confluence of playstyle and setup, or something.

And if that additional member everyone has been mostly avoiding discussing is in fact a cultist, well...fuck. They've got the game in the bag, barring random lynches. Recruit correctly, and all intra-faction knowledge is cut off. No-one is even trying to look for or figure out the discrepancy. And I don't even want to get into other possibilities. FM hunter being the best bet, but that's a rare role, and inevitably a hard one to play.

But c'mon...no night kills? Not one? That's just weird. >.<

Anyway, bed time for me. XD

[Tattersail_]

dibs have you read tCG? i',m nearing the end and i just think it is the best book out of all of them, my favourite by far!

[Hugin & Munin]

i have - it was totally immense really enjoyed it. loved the ending - some very depressing moments though.

[Hugin & Munin]

Hood, on 04 March 2011 - 12:28 PM, said:

I will call him.


If I lose this hand then I will be down to one life but still have a lot of money. I am not going to bother with the logic of why he only raised me ten. But what ever. If I had a 3 pair of aces I would have forced him all in. But I am still the high stack. After this hand I think that I will still be the high stack. So that can be my consolation prize.

you win the hand ,mate. what uyou want to do with these folk?

[Hugin & Munin]

Hood, on 04 March 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

It looks like with them I am at 6 while and K is only down to 5, and Z is down to 1. So am I picking up a Z player or not???

As much as I would like to kill them both off. I want to keep the player count even with K.

If I get both the Z player and the K player (i.e. the Z player isn't a second) hmm....

That will keep me at 5 lives and K at 5 lives.

Although the neat thing would be to lynch a K player then kill a take a K player and screw him over. The players have already been transfered to my care right?


So well fuck it...

Kill one of them.

ok its between sorritt and fener. sorrit is one - fener is two. willgo to random.org

[Tattersail_]

he just said that he didn't trust a word i said, or thought my reveal was shit but he went and voted merrid anyway, this means he did believe it and people could pick up on that

[Tattersail_]

post it in here instead, it was good for spoilers but not the game

[Hugin & Munin]

how is it that hiddeone the lowest poster saw it? have to go. will decide what to do later. would you log in as H&M and remove ruses post.

[Tattersail_]

okay yeah.

[Hugin & Munin]

FAO Dibs

When posting the scene for the poker hand result, (possibly meant for spoilers), Tellan posted on thread with all the faction leaders and how much they lost. Accidentally. I saw this almost immediately and pm'd h and m and you straight away, i then logged into h and m and by the time i got to the thread it had been removed. In this time however Ruse, (hidden one) saw the three names, if you go to the personal conversations and read the back and forth between ruse and h and m you will see. We will wait your decision on what to do.

This post has been edited by Hugin & Munin: 04 March 2011 - 03:59 PM

[Tattersail_]

my suggestion would be to play on as usual, people have finders and he cannot just out the captains on thread because he is a life and will change faction accordingly won't he and he would not want to alert the fm

This post has been edited by Hugin & Munin: 04 March 2011 - 04:30 PM

[Hugin & Munin]

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Osseric

huh
well, poison Rashan then.

tries to poison a captain

[Sorrit]

Dammit, 50/50 he kills me or the FM.

sheeesh.

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Sorrit, on 04 March 2011 - 04:34 PM, said:

Dammit, 50/50 he kills me or the FM.

sheeesh.

you enjoy the game? usually they are faster paced than this but with the votes counting and with there being 3 teams rather than everyone looking for a killer etc makes people being a lot more cagey.