[Lister of Smeg]

While I loved TCG and the series as a whole, I still felt there were things that SE could have done a bit better, or at least spent some more time on.

1) Errastas. What the hell happened to him? He ran away after releasing the OD and ... that was it. I get that he went into hiding until Korabas destroyed the warrens, but I was still expecting him to at least appear again after that. At the very least, there should have been a scene where Draconus rips him a new arsehole. The fact that he just carries on kind of rankles with me. And with him unlikely to appear in the Toblakai trilogy, are we ever going to find out what he did when his plans failed?

2) Icarium. It was a very touching moment when he remembered Mappo (and what a sad scene that was when he died ), but I expected him to play a far larger role in the ending. Calm planned to use his power but then got tonked and Icarium just sort of woke up. His travels with Ublala and Ralata should be fun and I really hope these three appear in the Toblakai trilogy as Iccy and Ublala both have history with Karsa.

3) The Bonehunters. The spine of the series, these fellas. It was a (pleasant) surprise that so many of them survived, particularly Balm's squad. But I wish there was more on them after the last battle. Where will they all go? Do you think any of them will pop up again in future books? I could read another whole series following the adventures of guys like Deadsmell, Widdershins, Throatslitter and Masan Gilani.

4) Tavore. Where will she go from here? I somehow doubt Mallick Rel will welcome her back to the Malazan Empire. Will she go to Letheras and settle down with her brother? I can't see her leading a quiet life after everything she's done.

There are probably more but my brain's blanking on me at the moment.

[Illuyankas]

1) Oponn's going to do something REALLY NASTY to him later
2) I'm expecting them there, yes
3) I don't know (I did like Tavore being the other Talon though)
4) Of course she's going to chill in Lether for at least a while, or run an orphanage in Kolanse, whichever

On that note, THANK YOU FOR NOT MOVING KARSA TO KOLANSE, SE
I was worried that he'd remove Karsa from Darujistan before ICE's book there and his and delay Torvald's inevitable reunion even longer (yes I'm still bitter, why do you ask?)

[Iamme]

There's always Darujhistan for Parans. Afterall, Master of Deck always has some kind of "responsibility".

[Panador]

Pretty sure Errastas is toast. Draconus already has killed him or soon will.

Icarium remembering Mappo? When, what? It nearly broke my heart when he was puzzled as to the one defending him had been. Icarium studied the grave again. 'He died defending me.' - 'Yes.' - ' But I don't know who he was!'
Afaik Icarium never remembered Mappo. He automatically goes to referring to Ublala as friend etc. same as he did with Mappo probably and would have done with Taralack, had he not gotten the wrong "vibe" from him.

The Bonehunters and Tavore... ah... now that'd be interesting to know. Tavore and the Bonehunters going back to the Empire, unter Mallick Rel? Not a chance in hell. The Bonehunters and the Host getting together to kill Mallick Rel and take the throne back, defend the Wickans etc.? Could see that. Who'd sit the throne.... QB? ^^
On the one hand I can't imagine Tavore *not* campaigning, on the other hand I can't imagine any cause she'd be interested now, after this, after all this hardship, after all they sacrificed, all they achieved. I think if she told the Bonehunters to go towards some new enemy, they would. We got no date for the Fiddler-epilogue, for all we know that could have been after Mallick Rel had been dethroned. After what they faced already I can't imagine any regular army defeating them, especially when they'd probably have plenty of support.

And what will Ganoes do? After all he has an entire army on his hands as well as being the Master of the Deck.

Hopefully we'll get at least some information about what happened to all of them, I just can't see all of them just settling down. Also not going back to the Malazan Empire, with Rel on the throne and Korbolo Dom in charge. Maybe the first thing they'll do is go to the Wickan Plains and help defend the Wickans, their comrades? That's probably the most plausible thing I could see them do right now.

[Illuyankas]

"I just remembered something."

[Iamme]

Panador, on 27 February 2011 - 06:05 PM, said:

Pretty sure Errastas is toast. Draconus already has killed him or soon will.

Icarium remembering Mappo? When, what? It nearly broke my heart when he was puzzled as to the one defending him had been. Icarium studied the grave again. 'He died defending me.' - 'Yes.' - ' But I don't know who he was!'
Afaik Icarium never remembered Mappo. He automatically goes to referring to Ublala as friend etc. same as he did with Mappo probably and would have done with Taralack, had he not gotten the wrong "vibe" from him.

The Bonehunters and Tavore... ah... now that'd be interesting to know. Tavore and the Bonehunters going back to the Empire, unter Mallick Rel? Not a chance in hell. The Bonehunters and the Host getting together to kill Mallick Rel and take the throne back, defend the Wickans etc.? Could see that. Who'd sit the throne.... QB? ^^
On the one hand I can't imagine Tavore *not* campaigning, on the other hand I can't imagine any cause she'd be interested now, after this, after all this hardship, after all they sacrificed, all they achieved. I think if she told the Bonehunters to go towards some new enemy, they would. We got no date for the Fiddler-epilogue, for all we know that could have been after Mallick Rel had been dethroned. After what they faced already I can't imagine any regular army defeating them, especially when they'd probably have plenty of support.

And what will Ganoes do? After all he has an entire army on his hands as well as being the Master of the Deck.

Hopefully we'll get at least some information about what happened to all of them, I just can't see all of them just settling down. Also not going back to the Malazan Empire, with Rel on the throne and Korbolo Dom in charge. Maybe the first thing they'll do is go to the Wickan Plains and help defend the Wickans, their comrades? That's probably the most plausible thing I could see them do right now.

You have not read RoCG it seems. Anyways, Rel is more practical than Laseen and he atleast will welcome Tavore back. (and the host without High Fist) MoD is not part of malazan empire anyways so he can go anywhere he wants.

[Panador]

Iamme, on 27 February 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

Panador, on 27 February 2011 - 06:05 PM, said:

Pretty sure Errastas is toast. Draconus already has killed him or soon will.

Icarium remembering Mappo? When, what? It nearly broke my heart when he was puzzled as to the one defending him had been. Icarium studied the grave again. 'He died defending me.' - 'Yes.' - ' But I don't know who he was!'
Afaik Icarium never remembered Mappo. He automatically goes to referring to Ublala as friend etc. same as he did with Mappo probably and would have done with Taralack, had he not gotten the wrong "vibe" from him.

The Bonehunters and Tavore... ah... now that'd be interesting to know. Tavore and the Bonehunters going back to the Empire, unter Mallick Rel? Not a chance in hell. The Bonehunters and the Host getting together to kill Mallick Rel and take the throne back, defend the Wickans etc.? Could see that. Who'd sit the throne.... QB? ^^
On the one hand I can't imagine Tavore *not* campaigning, on the other hand I can't imagine any cause she'd be interested now, after this, after all this hardship, after all they sacrificed, all they achieved. I think if she told the Bonehunters to go towards some new enemy, they would. We got no date for the Fiddler-epilogue, for all we know that could have been after Mallick Rel had been dethroned. After what they faced already I can't imagine any regular army defeating them, especially when they'd probably have plenty of support.

And what will Ganoes do? After all he has an entire army on his hands as well as being the Master of the Deck.

Hopefully we'll get at least some information about what happened to all of them, I just can't see all of them just settling down. Also not going back to the Malazan Empire, with Rel on the throne and Korbolo Dom in charge. Maybe the first thing they'll do is go to the Wickan Plains and help defend the Wickans, their comrades? That's probably the most plausible thing I could see them do right now.

You have not read RoCG it seems. Anyways, Rel is more practical than Laseen and he atleast will welcome Tavore back. (and the host without High Fist) MoD is not part of malazan empire anyways so he can go anywhere he wants.

No, I have not. Yet. But I can see him having Tavore etc. back. Wouldn't trust him to keep them alive from what I know of him so far though. And there's just no way they'd want to go back, server under him and Dom. I know Ganoes as MoD doesn't have to go back to the Empire. But he's a High Fist now. He could stay with the Host, doing... whatever. Or he could go back to being "just" the Master of the Deck, I doubt his men would refuse to serve under Tavore. Just saying there are many options there. He has to consider both his role as the MoD as well as commanding officer.

[tiam]

Panador, on 27 February 2011 - 06:05 PM, said:

Pretty sure Errastas is toast. Draconus already has killed him or soon will.

Icarium remembering Mappo? When, what? It nearly broke my heart when he was puzzled as to the one defending him had been. Icarium studied the grave again. 'He died defending me.' - 'Yes.' - ' But I don't know who he was!'
Afaik Icarium never remembered Mappo. He automatically goes to referring to Ublala as friend etc. same as he did with Mappo probably and would have done with Taralack, had he not gotten the wrong "vibe" from him.

The Bonehunters and Tavore... ah... now that'd be interesting to know. Tavore and the Bonehunters going back to the Empire, unter Mallick Rel? Not a chance in hell. The Bonehunters and the Host getting together to kill Mallick Rel and take the throne back, defend the Wickans etc.? Could see that. Who'd sit the throne.... QB? ^^
On the one hand I can't imagine Tavore *not* campaigning, on the other hand I can't imagine any cause she'd be interested now, after this, after all this hardship, after all they sacrificed, all they achieved. I think if she told the Bonehunters to go towards some new enemy, they would. We got no date for the Fiddler-epilogue, for all we know that could have been after Mallick Rel had been dethroned. After what they faced already I can't imagine any regular army defeating them, especially when they'd probably have plenty of support.

And what will Ganoes do? After all he has an entire army on his hands as well as being the Master of the Deck.

Hopefully we'll get at least some information about what happened to all of them, I just can't see all of them just settling down. Also not going back to the Malazan Empire, with Rel on the throne and Korbolo Dom in charge. Maybe the first thing they'll do is go to the Wickan Plains and help defend the Wickans, their comrades? That's probably the most plausible thing I could see them do right now.

Icarium remembered Mappo when he saw the blue potsherds that fell out of Mappo's pack. If you have the book on you its the last page before the epilogue.

[Iamme]

RoCG will explain much. I see bonehunters/host and Tavore going back home. They are hunted no more. Someone needs to run House Paran.

This post has been edited by Iamme: 27 February 2011 - 06:46 PM

[nacht]

Iamme, on 27 February 2011 - 06:46 PM, said:

RoCG will explain much. I see bonehunters/host and Tavore going back home. They are hunted no more. Someone needs to run House Paran.

You are crazy man. Tavore hates Malick Rel and she is a Talon (see the conversation with Blistig). She will go back to playing strategy games with her soldier toys.

[Dead Joe]

nacht, on 08 March 2011 - 05:47 PM, said:

Iamme, on 27 February 2011 - 06:46 PM, said:

RoCG will explain much. I see bonehunters/host and Tavore going back home. They are hunted no more. Someone needs to run House Paran.

You are crazy man. Tavore hates Malick Rel and she is a Talon (see the conversation with Blistig). She will go back to playing strategy games with her soldier toys.

I dont remember Tavore really having much of an opinion on Malick Rel.

[Kanubis]

I think the point was that the ONLY contribution Icarium could have had was a devastating one. His non-event was in a way one of the biggest events...

[tiam]

Dead Joe, on 09 March 2011 - 12:24 AM, said:

nacht, on 08 March 2011 - 05:47 PM, said:

Iamme, on 27 February 2011 - 06:46 PM, said:

RoCG will explain much. I see bonehunters/host and Tavore going back home. They are hunted no more. Someone needs to run House Paran.

You are crazy man. Tavore hates Malick Rel and she is a Talon (see the conversation with Blistig). She will go back to playing strategy games with her soldier toys.

I dont remember Tavore really having much of an opinion on Malick Rel.

In the throne room at the end of BH Tavore rips the shit into Rel for being on the last survivng Jhistals after Kellenvads purge, along with the fact he wanted to kill the Wickans makes me think that she wouldntbe axactly welcomed back into the new Empire. Though as weve seen from SW Rel doesnt seem to hold a grudge against commanders who are already guilty in the eyes of the Empire.

[Traveller]

Kanubis, on 09 March 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

I think the point was that the ONLY contribution Icarium could have had was a devastating one. His non-event was in a way one of the biggest events...

Yep. Especially after the explanation of the source of Icarium's destructive rage. Can't believe how close Mappo got to a reunion... was tragic the way Ublala picks up a 'useful bag' from the ground...

[Steve Halter]

Traveller, on 09 March 2011 - 04:18 PM, said:

Kanubis, on 09 March 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

I think the point was that the ONLY contribution Icarium could have had was a devastating one. His non-event was in a way one of the biggest events...

Yep. Especially after the explanation of the source of Icarium's destructive rage. Can't believe how close Mappo got to a reunion... was tragic the way Ublala picks up a 'useful bag' from the ground...

Yeah, the "useful bag" was almost more hear rending than the actual death of Mappo. Since Ublala isn't going to be inclined to knock out Icarium whenever he starts to remember something, it will be interesting if Icarium starts to heal somewhat. Especially with the new warrens.
The Icarium thread certainly seems like a possible source for something more in the future.

[Obdigore]

Steve Halter, on 09 March 2011 - 05:03 PM, said:

Traveller, on 09 March 2011 - 04:18 PM, said:

Kanubis, on 09 March 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

I think the point was that the ONLY contribution Icarium could have had was a devastating one. His non-event was in a way one of the biggest events...

Yep. Especially after the explanation of the source of Icarium's destructive rage. Can't believe how close Mappo got to a reunion... was tragic the way Ublala picks up a 'useful bag' from the ground...

Yeah, the "useful bag" was almost more hear rending than the actual death of Mappo. Since Ublala isn't going to be inclined to knock out Icarium whenever he starts to remember something, it will be interesting if Icarium starts to heal somewhat. Especially with the new warrens.
The Icarium thread certainly seems like a possible source for something more in the future.

I don't think that Mappo was knocking Iccy out when he started remembering things, he was knocking him out when his rage starting opening the portal to pure chaos which would destroy the world. Part of Iccy's curse is that he couldn't remember things, which is why he needed a helper, imo.

[Steve Halter]

Obdigore, on 09 March 2011 - 05:55 PM, said:

Steve Halter, on 09 March 2011 - 05:03 PM, said:

Traveller, on 09 March 2011 - 04:18 PM, said:

Kanubis, on 09 March 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

I think the point was that the ONLY contribution Icarium could have had was a devastating one. His non-event was in a way one of the biggest events...

Yep. Especially after the explanation of the source of Icarium's destructive rage. Can't believe how close Mappo got to a reunion... was tragic the way Ublala picks up a 'useful bag' from the ground...

Yeah, the "useful bag" was almost more hear rending than the actual death of Mappo. Since Ublala isn't going to be inclined to knock out Icarium whenever he starts to remember something, it will be interesting if Icarium starts to heal somewhat. Especially with the new warrens.
The Icarium thread certainly seems like a possible source for something more in the future.

I don't think that Mappo was knocking Iccy out when he started remembering things, he was knocking him out when his rage starting opening the portal to pure chaos which would destroy the world. Part of Iccy's curse is that he couldn't remember things, which is why he needed a helper, imo.

Right, Mappo always waits until the last possible moment. It's a little unclear, then, if the memory loss is from the unhinging rage or the tap to the head. Mostly the rage causing amnesia, but the whack by Mappo isn't just a gentle love tap either.

[Abyss]

Steve Halter, on 09 March 2011 - 07:59 PM, said:

...Mappo always waits until the last possible moment. It's a little unclear, then, if the memory loss is from the unhinging rage or the tap to the head. Mostly the rage causing amnesia, but the whack by Mappo isn't just a gentle love tap either.

Mappo notes that Iccy has a reflex rage response even when he's out of it, hence why Calm was sure she could trigger him.

That said, neither Calm nor Mappo had dealt with iccy post whatever the Eres did to him in TB. It appeared that she healed his rage, but not his memory.

I don't think Iccy's "I remembered something." means any more than the other bits and pieces we've seen him remember before that served as the basis for another wandering quest. Part of the tragedy is that his wanderings will continue and Mappo is left more or less forgotten. Maybe.

Other danglers...


Oponn hunting the Errant. Luck and 'destiny' (or whatever) in conflict... oh, that could be good.

Did D'rek die at the Barrow?

Did Withal totally ditch Sandy?

Who were the three dragons Fid and co saw in Tremolor?

Were the Pures working with the Nameless Ones? Calm's comment to Mappo suggests it...

What did Hood ask Paran for in TB that freaked out QB?

What's QB's story anyways?

Who is Ruthan Gudd, really?


...there's more but that's off the top of the thinkymeatz...

[worry]

Is that yellow guy of Gothos's an "Azathanai"? And they are distinct from the Nameless Ones, I take it. And why are TTH's jaghut couple blue? And are all other jaghut the spawn of these blue jaghut and those yellow people?!?!?!

[tiam]

The blue Jaghut was a jhag anap or something wasnt he? I just took it to be another Jhag invention/manipulation of genetics like the Bole Brothers.