[drinksinbars]

That seems like very preeemptive strike. Regardless of the fact its veng it means the killers cant affect a lynch today with a kill. There have been no votes whatsoever so all the kill does is remove someone. I can understand yesterdays kill more for removing a player on a train and casting suspicion about the place, but to kill veng before anyone votes? I got nothing.

[Silencer]

*waves at Tattersail*

Sorry you got lynched, but you did a really brave thing. Hopefully you enjoy watching along.

[drinksinbars]

Silencer, on 23 February 2011 - 09:05 AM, said:

*waves at Tattersail*

Sorry you got lynched, but you did a really brave thing. Hopefully you enjoy watching along.

that looks like an apology you ass kisser

[Silencer]

What do I have to apologize for, dibs?

[drinksinbars]

surviving

[Silencer]

That was hardly my fault! I wasn't even around, the case against me was pathetic.

Anyway, you've heard my thoughts on that issue, what's your take on them?

[Shinrei]

Hey isn't there a bit of sage advice in someone's signature that we're forgetting? I don't remember whose sig it was, but it recommends lynching dibs when he's playing calmly and making sense...

I'm going to go back and look at the trains and see if anything sticks out.

[drinksinbars]

Silencer, on 23 February 2011 - 09:26 AM, said:

That was hardly my fault! I wasn't even around, the case against me was pathetic.

Anyway, you've heard my thoughts on that issue, what's your take on them?

I think i made my reasoning for not voting you perfecly clear. If you are a symp killing you on day 1 proves fuck all least of all whether you are a symp. The votes for you all seemed quite ridiculious in the face of that. No harm to tatersail but he at least had reacted to something in a suspicious way, you had spammed the thread, you werent leading anything or pushing something or sowing confusion, you just spammed the thread. So although you have the volume of posts a symp might have you didnt have the main characteristic a symp does which is to divert attention away from a player. Now it could be your masters just aint had any heat yet so you are laying the foundations for later, but lynching you day 1 before any of that can be determined seemed foolish against a player switching votes and declaring its him or me early on day 1.

[Tapper]

drinksinbars, on 23 February 2011 - 09:02 AM, said:

That seems like very preeemptive strike. Regardless of the fact its veng it means the killers cant affect a lynch today with a kill. There have been no votes whatsoever so all the kill does is remove someone. I can understand yesterdays kill more for removing a player on a train and casting suspicion about the place, but to kill veng before anyone votes? I got nothing.

Venge was lying low and was remarkably unopinionated instead of his somewhat volatile angry performance in the past few games. Maybe they thought he was power-roled.

[drinksinbars]

Shinrei, on 23 February 2011 - 09:30 AM, said:

Hey isn't there a bit of sage advice in someone's signature that we're forgetting? I don't remember whose sig it was, but it recommends lynching dibs when he's playing calmly and making sense...

I'm going to go back and look at the trains and see if anything sticks out.

how do you defend against that?

[drinksinbars]

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 09:38 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on 23 February 2011 - 09:02 AM, said:

That seems like very preeemptive strike. Regardless of the fact its veng it means the killers cant affect a lynch today with a kill. There have been no votes whatsoever so all the kill does is remove someone. I can understand yesterdays kill more for removing a player on a train and casting suspicion about the place, but to kill veng before anyone votes? I got nothing.

Venge was lying low and was remarkably unopinionated instead of his somewhat volatile angry performance in the past few games. Maybe they thought he was power-roled.

possibly, but a low lying veng is a good lynch target too. Not sure if the scenes give us any info, but it reading back it looked like veng attacked someone and got killed for it. In previous games did the scenes give an indication of the actions? so it was possible he suicide vigged a bp?

[Shinrei]

Ok, there are two things that I don't like about the train. One is The Dude voted for Silencer with less than a half an hour left, and then didn't change/wasnt around to change. He may have decided to leave believing that it was for sure a lynch, but PS posted about 9 minutes after his last post with the info Roldom was dead.

The second is Trull's reason for voting for Silencer. It's a bit of wifom, but if Trull's son were scum, he's subtly PIing himself with this comment:

Trull, on 22 February 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

alright I'll admit it, Silencer confuses me with the posts, their content -- joking but could be semi-serious. Damn they're too smooth! The sheer amount by of posts by him alone has added pages of reading for me that went nowhere! I'm convinced that this is symp play. Yeah, there isn't much to go after Silencer with, but since it's already between Silencer and Tatt, and i've explained that I cannot in good conscious vote Tatt for making the same mistake as I had, I feel I must

vote Silencer

If he were scum, he'd know Tattersail was innocent, and is cautioning us against making the same mistake of confusing noob play with scummy play in regards to him. Especially since we (I) already called him out for being defensive.



In other news, with helping to get the train going on Tattersail, once again I've fucked up an RI on day 1.

[drinksinbars]

no that makes no sense - he would need to be on and knowing veng he would make a song and dance about it.

[drinksinbars]

Shinrei, on 23 February 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

Ok, there are two things that I don't like about the train. One is The Dude voted for Silencer with less than a half an hour left, and then didn't change/wasnt around to change. He may have decided to leave believing that it was for sure a lynch, but PS posted about 9 minutes after his last post with the info Roldom was dead.

The second is Trull's reason for voting for Silencer. It's a bit of wifom, but if Trull's son were scum, he's subtly PIing himself with this comment:

Trull, on 22 February 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

alright I'll admit it, Silencer confuses me with the posts, their content -- joking but could be semi-serious. Damn they're too smooth! The sheer amount by of posts by him alone has added pages of reading for me that went nowhere! I'm convinced that this is symp play. Yeah, there isn't much to go after Silencer with, but since it's already between Silencer and Tatt, and i've explained that I cannot in good conscious vote Tatt for making the same mistake as I had, I feel I must

vote Silencer

If he were scum, he'd know Tattersail was innocent, and is cautioning us against making the same mistake of confusing noob play with scummy play in regards to him. Especially since we (I) already called him out for being defensive.



In other news, with helping to get the train going on Tattersail, once again I've fucked up an RI on day 1.

maybe i should have a sig that if shin votes fo someone on day1 they are inno

[Shinrei]

Do it and I'll come up with something really spectacular on day 1 for you next game.

[Ace Hunter]

Right, I've been reading the posts made by Mentalist to see why I distrust him...so far not much on my radar, but still looking.

Also, call me slow, but I'm certain the scenes depict an action of some kindbeing performed. So what was this one about:

Hugin & Munin, on 22 February 2011 - 05:42 PM, said:

In the surrounded city of Di Dao, an official of Zhang Xiu was contemplating charging the besiegers with their elite guard to break through and flee south. On the morning of their planned attack a messenger charged into the compound bearing a message that had been fired over the walls by arrow during the night. The message read "If your esteemed self is planning to force your way through the blockade, you may not be aware that Ma Teng's nephew, Ma Dai, commands an elite cavalry force just east of Di Dao that will easily catch you once you break out. Consider instead how you may better serve our Lord by remaining among the enemy forces, gathering intelligence and exchanging secret messengers with our generals. I pray that you see the wisdom in this and do not sacrifice yourself needlessly." Reading the message and wondering what advisor of Zhang Xiu saw matters so clearly, the official ordered their guards to put away their weapons and begin disguising themselves as peasants.

[Tapper]

drinksinbars, on 23 February 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

no that makes no sense - he would need to be on and knowing veng he would make a song and dance about it.

On what point?

Quote

Ok, there are two things that I don't like about the train. One is The Dude voted for Silencer with less than a half an hour left, and then didn't change/wasnt around to change. He may have decided to leave believing that it was for sure a lynch, but PS posted about 9 minutes after his last post with the info Roldom was dead.

This. He didn't give an impression of being in a hurry to log off, either.

[drinksinbars]

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 10:13 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on 23 February 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

no that makes no sense - he would need to be on and knowing veng he would make a song and dance about it.

On what point?

was trying to make sense of vengys death and the scene. No one has really answered my question about previous games and whether the scenes are indicitive or just for flavour?

[Silencer]

Uhm, guys...you do realise there is a specific rule forbidding discussion of when someone was on (like Shin's mention of the Dude logging off or whatever above) or not on, right?



RE: scenes - I can't remember, but I think there was a distinction between minis (scenes have no info) and full games (scenes may contain clues). Until H&M steps in on the issue, we have to assume as standard mafia rules are quoted and said to apply, with no exception made for scenes, that scenes don't include info or hints, as that is specified in the rules.

-> Silencer, on a rules bent atm for some reason...

[Ace Hunter]

Ok, reading all 16 pages, I haven't found jack to explain me distrusting Mentalist. I mean, his comments, apart from spam-time, are clear enough, and don't warrant suspicion.

@dibs, yeah I reckon every time a scene appears, an action has been performed, but not sure if it would tell much detail