[Peanutbutta]

Roldom's death has to be a bit of a signal flare over Mentalist or Silencer. The only reason you want to keep Tattersail in the game if you're scum is because he's keeping you alive by virtue of his presence. You kill off one of his voters at the buzzer and hope he stays around another day to keep suspicion on himself. This only helps you if you're someone else that was considered suspicious. We had a few names floated around yesterday like Trull and me, but Silencer and Ment are the top suspects, IMO, even if they didn't pull the trigger.

[Trull's son]

Roldom, on 22 February 2011 - 12:23 PM, said:

unless someone wants to go look through all the spam to get a vote count your gonna be waiting for at least 3 hours till drek wakes uptheres just a little to much shit to wade through for me to do it for ya

Not much on Roldom, except that I share the italicized sentiment.

Roldom didn't post too much. And when he did, it was to try and provoke discussion or just to add his 2-cents about something. He supported the Tattersail lynch, due to Tatt's panickiness. As far as I can tell that's it.

[Trull's son]

Peanutbutta, on 22 February 2011 - 10:50 PM, said:

Roldom's death has to be a bit of a signal flare over Mentalist or Silencer. The only reason you want to keep Tattersail in the game if you're scum is because he's keeping you alive by virtue of his presence. You kill off one of his voters at the buzzer and hope he stays around another day to keep suspicion on himself. This only helps you if you're someone else that was considered suspicious. We had a few names floated around yesterday like Trull and me, but Silencer and Ment are the top suspects, IMO, even if they didn't pull the trigger.

Damn, PB, I didn't even consider this. It would explain a lot. From what I just read throughout the thread, there is really nothing else that would put Roldom in the killer(s)'s sight(s).

[Mentalist]

Peanutbutta, on 22 February 2011 - 10:50 PM, said:

Roldom's death has to be a bit of a signal flare over Mentalist or Silencer. The only reason you want to keep Tattersail in the game if you're scum is because he's keeping you alive by virtue of his presence. You kill off one of his voters at the buzzer and hope he stays around another day to keep suspicion on himself. This only helps you if you're someone else that was considered suspicious. We had a few names floated around yesterday like Trull and me, but Silencer and Ment are the top suspects, IMO, even if they didn't pull the trigger.

you know, I've been hearing this a lot lately. I hear this in every altless game, actually.


almost no one ever actually backs it up when I call them out for a semi-serious vote on me.
Shall I break down the votes on me again, for somehting like the third time?

very well

The dude voted me. because he's the dude.
Silencer OMGUS voted me, because, well I voted him for being smooth,
Ainsible voted me for allegedly symping venge. When I called him out on it, he dissapeared, acand today he came back and said he doesn't thing Venge is scummy anymore.
Ace voted me before bed, and I already covered that vote extensively.

now, I don't mind trains (or pseudo-trains) on me being used for info, but keep in perspective that at no point did any one of those voting even made an attempt at a day 1 case on me (except ainsible)

otoh, both Tattersail and Silencer had a large number of votes, and a good deal of discussion.

[Peanutbutta]

Ment, I voted SIlencer. I never once considered voting for you yesterday.

Ultimately, I deal in facts. It's easy to look at why people said they voted a specific way but in Mafia, everyone has an agenda. Sometimes, it's better to just skip over the reasoning because while some of it will be true, if someone's scum, they will probably lie or offer half and incomplete truths. So I like to look at pure vote counts. Who voted for whom? At the tightest point, 4 votes were for you and 5 for Silencer (and 4 or 5 for Tattersail).

[Trull's son]

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 10:57 PM, said:

Peanutbutta, on 22 February 2011 - 10:50 PM, said:

Roldom's death has to be a bit of a signal flare over Mentalist or Silencer. The only reason you want to keep Tattersail in the game if you're scum is because he's keeping you alive by virtue of his presence. You kill off one of his voters at the buzzer and hope he stays around another day to keep suspicion on himself. This only helps you if you're someone else that was considered suspicious. We had a few names floated around yesterday like Trull and me, but Silencer and Ment are the top suspects, IMO, even if they didn't pull the trigger.

you know, I've been hearing this a lot lately. I hear this in every altless game, actually. almost no one ever actually backs it up when I call them out for a semi-serious vote on me. Shall I break down the votes on me again, for somehting like the third time?very wellThe dude voted me. because he's the dude. Silencer OMGUS voted me, because, well I voted him for being smooth, :DAinsible voted me for allegedly symping venge. When I called him out on it, he dissapeared, acand today he came back and said he doesn't thing Venge is scummy anymore. Ace voted me before bed, and I already covered that vote extensively. now, I don't mind trains (or pseudo-trains) on me being used for info, but keep in perspective that at no point did any one of those voting even made an attempt at a day 1 case on me (except ainsible)otoh, both Tattersail and Silencer had a large number of votes, and a good deal of discussion.

Nice deflection!

Seriously though, just because there were some who didn't come up with a case against you doesn't mean there isn't one. And no, I don't feel like backing this up, because I don't have a case against you. Not yet.

[Tapper]

The funny thing about Roldom is - he was one of the two early joke votes that stuck (him and Shin) on Tattersail till the end, before things got interesting and serious.
Of the first people on the train, there has been a lot of discussion over my role in the lynch, over Shin (alledgedly pushy as well), on dibs... but nothing much on Roldom. For example: The Dude didn't include him in his big list of people to be scrutinized either.

While it is pretty much wifom territory, it will be interesting to see how many people said something about Roldom, and how many and who left him out of their pre-lynch analysis.

[Tapper]

Also, suppose you want to make it look like you kill someone on the train without wishing to give away a timezone, you kill someone who was on it early as it gives the least info about yourself.

Of course, they could have killed me if they really wanted Tat lynched, cause I'd been driving the bus for most of the day... but then you lose my charm and panache lynchability after getting someone who CFs town lynched.

[Lizradusa]

Finally caught up again. You managed to write enough for more than one hour to read, after I was on this morning.

@The Dude: I did not post so much, because first, there was a lot of nostalgic spam, to which I can not contribute. And other then this morning, when I had only a little bit of time I was not on.

[Mentalist]

Tapper, on 22 February 2011 - 11:13 PM, said:

Also, suppose you want to make it look like you kill someone on the train without wishing to give away a timezone, you kill someone who was on it early as it gives the least info about yourself.

Of course, they could have killed me if they really wanted Tat lynched, cause I'd been driving the bus for most of the day... but then you lose my charm and panache lynchability after getting someone who CFs town lynched.

this stinks of WIFOM. I'd say you're trying too hard to CI yourself, but if you are a killer, killing Roldom makes zero sense from your perspective.

[Lizradusa]

I noted that HiddenOne is the only one, who didn't voted at all and he makes no real comment on the matter. At least I can't remember one. I think I will go over his posts again.

[Grief]

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 11:31 PM, said:

Tapper, on 22 February 2011 - 11:13 PM, said:

Also, suppose you want to make it look like you kill someone on the train without wishing to give away a timezone, you kill someone who was on it early as it gives the least info about yourself.

Of course, they could have killed me if they really wanted Tat lynched, cause I'd been driving the bus for most of the day... but then you lose my charm and panache lynchability after getting someone who CFs town lynched.

this stinks of WIFOM. I'd say you're trying too hard to CI yourself, but if you are a killer, killing Roldom makes zero sense from your perspective.

Hmm, to me it seems more like a slight pre-emptive defence.

It is quite funny that you complain about WIFOM and then speculate about the kill though.

Kill speculation is some of the most WIFOM analysis that comes up in mafia, and using it to judge whether it makes people more or less likely to be scum is almost always pointless...

[Lizradusa]

Ok, these are the only things, that stood out:

HiddenOne, on 21 February 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 21 February 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 21 February 2011 - 08:56 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 21 February 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 21 February 2011 - 08:26 PM, said:

I guess there's no reason to argue with that figure


Edit: Some lag there

What there is always a reason to argue. Unless your scum and have just decided to not argue anymore and announce to the world that your scum and it's wonderful. Are you scum?

Vengeance detective one oh one. Just ask stupid.

I disagree. Sometimes it just won't work. Although I've always loved to argue.
I think it's more like you're scum looking for some pals. So there.

?
are you implying he's looking for symps? without us knowing if there are symps?

sounds to me like you are hiding something...

Only to the same degree he's implying I'm scum, seems reasonable...

And I'm hiding what you and everybody else are hiding...nothing

It had been pointed out before, but that was early with a lot of joke-votes flying around
With him being the only one who has not voted, it looks more suspicious, imo.

HiddenOne, on 22 February 2011 - 02:48 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 22 February 2011 - 02:45 PM, said:

obviously the odds of catching day one scum are minimal anyway, I don't think there is much to go on with me but wants Tapper gets his claws in and leads the way its hard to get out. I would say it was Tapper that pointed out that I was "suspicious" even though I don't think I was. His play is usually meticulous. If I am lynched then maybe you can start looking there, because without his "case" we would probably be looking at a better scum candidate.

Are you saying Tapper is scum?

It seems kind of obvios, that Tattersail is implying just that. Why ask specifically?

HiddenOne, on 22 February 2011 - 03:14 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 22 February 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

Roldom, on 22 February 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

he is saying that tapper is masterminding his lynch and that we should take a long hard look at her afterwards

Tappers a bloke with a woman avatar mate

You've got to admit, that's an attractive avatar

And that could be signaling. It's just a few posts downfrom the above quote.

[Shinrei]

I must echo the sentiment of nicely done Tattersail.

It was an interesting readup, although thankfully not a full 20 pages.

I'm not sure it really is that useful to speculate why Roldom was chosen. Given his relative nooby status and low-key play in this game, the kill seems to me to be just a random pick by scum to keep everyone in the dark. Speculating on the kill choice may make a little more sense in altless games, but not much.

A few comments on the thread off the top of my head (meaning I'm not going to drag quotes up).

PB is right about compliments getting you a long way in Mafia. I'm sure posts like The Dudes are one reason he's so hard to lynch all the time. He's so reasonable, and nice sounding.

Where is Silencer? He should have been on by now...

People really need to make sure they get how ironman rules work. Everybody needs to inspect that OP, and anyone who feels they don't get it, don't feel too much pride to ask for clarification from either the thread or Hugin& Munin.

[Hugin & Munin]

Awww, the thread is all dead...

[ansible]

Yep. You know the thread is dead when you're the only one viewing it.

[Shinrei]

Not too atypical. My mornings tend to be a dead time. Others should be around come afternoon though. I'm going to be gone for a few hours since I'm going shopping with Mrs. Shin.

[Mentalist]

I was at work for 4.5 hours, sorryz

[Mentalist]

ok, really quick readup.
not much of note. I suppose I should look into Silencer a bit more now. But first, shower and food.

[Hugin & Munin]

It is Day 2. 22 hours and 24 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Ace Hunter, ansible, dibs, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, MTS, PB, Shinrei, Silencer, Tapper, The Dude, Trull's son, Vengeance

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Ace Hunter, ansible, dibs, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, MTS, PB, Shinrei, Silencer, Tapper, The Dude, Trull's son, Vengeance