[Tellan]

Barghast, on 21 January 2011 - 03:45 AM, said:

In a thread this short, summary posts are not needed and look a lot to me like someone trying to be helpful. Tellan's couple of big summary posts tweaked my suspicions so I decided to look a bit further.

Tellan, on 20 January 2011 - 09:21 AM, said:

Looking at the cases and reason for voting Fener and Rashan stick out to me. Fener because he though Omtose looked innocent but voted for him anyway and Rashan because he said he had no choice. If either of these voted elsewhere then there could have well been a different lynch. I agree we need to lynch everyday but we could at least have a reason for doing so.

Fener was the second vote on Omtose, making it a split vote at that time. Rashan was vote number six. Rashan was correct that by that time Omtose was getting lynched regardless. If there was a vote that got the momentum going it was Tellan's or Ruse's.

Well I could have easily voted for Osseric at the time, but I thought Omtose looked more scummy

Tellan, on 20 January 2011 - 09:15 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 19 January 2011 - 01:28 PM, said:

Ok just read up, not a huge amount to go on but i was getting weird vibes off Omtose who just felt the need to randomly pop on and point out that scum could end up killing themselves.Not sure what it was but this sort of post just sent my scumdar tingling so until something more comes along

vote Omtose

Fener, on 19 January 2011 - 07:50 PM, said:

I don't really like to vote people for bad early game cases because it's way more likely that an inno makes an early game bad case than scum. But a lynch is doubly good in this game sooooooo

Vote Omtose

For being the most viable candidate IMO.

Tellan, on 19 January 2011 - 09:07 PM, said:

i'm going to lay my vote with Omtose. I think that he got some heat and deflected it all very nicely to Osseric. Although Osseric reaction was a bit over the top there was no case in the first place.

Vote Omtose

I may not get back on until quite close to night time. i'll do my best.

Ruse, on 19 January 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

the woman just carried me laptop in and i think looking at it omtose is 3-2 at mo. we need a lynch so

vote omtose

i can barely breath let alone think. goodnight gents.

Liosan, on 19 January 2011 - 10:04 PM, said:

Well looks like another no lynch on day one... WILL WE NEVER LEARN!!! oh the humanity.

remove vote

vote Omtose

for being a viable day one lynch ( the only one?) and for jumping on something so trivial and then defending his poor case. Not sure that makes him scum, but it makes him silly and if there is one thing I hate...its silliness.

Rashan, on 19 January 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

Really, a vote for omtose because of a bad case? a vote for omtose because of silliness?!

vote Omtose

Because there seems to be little choice in the matter this day. If we want a lynch, this is all we have.

Kalse, on 19 January 2011 - 10:33 PM, said:

Tried to get on when server was down, only just got chance to return...

Reading it all through Osseric's comment seems innocent enough really, it could be misconstrued but only if taking that one sentence into account and not his whole post. Osserics defense seems a bit mad but it can wind you up to have something simple you say get twisted.

so for me it is down to Omtose and Silanah, whose relationship in itself has made me suspicious

Quote

Oh hey look at no point are you or him referring to peoples ignorance changing. In fact looking at it in the correct light makes it even more scummy. That and your defense really leave something lacking.

Vote Osseric


Sil you need to bold.

but then again i could be reading too much into things, and we could do with a lynch right?


Vote Omtose

Edit: added quote

Osseric, on 19 January 2011 - 10:43 PM, said:

Vote Omtose


Because his vote on me right after Sil smacked of following.

Merrid, on 19 January 2011 - 11:03 PM, said:

I'm not sure theirs much of a case here but we need a lynch so i think its hammer time

Vote Omtose

Here are the people who voted and their reasons.

Ampelas (scum) started the train

Fener jumped onto this, maybe he wanted to deflect from people voting him earlier, he didn't have any reason and even stated that he thought Omtose was inno, there were 4 people with one vote on each of them so why didn't he chose someone he thought more scummy?

me, Tellan. My reason was that Omtose got voted by Ampelas but rather than defend he attacked Osseric with a bad case

Ruse stated we needed a lynch so jumped onto Omtose, at the time it was 3 votes to Omtose, 2 votes to Osseric and 1 vote for a couple of others

Liosan gave similar reason to me although he thought it was silly rather than scummy although he didn't think the lynch would go through

Rashan stated that he didn't have a choice but to vote for Omtose

Kalse also thought Omtose made a bad case but also highlighted a possible relationship with Silanah as a scummy sign

Osseric thought Omtose and Silanah had some sort of relationship

Merrid Hammers as was inevitable. He didn't think much of the case at all

Note, one of the four people with a vote was Fener, so that part is misleading at best.

There was nothing for Omtose to defend. Amp voted Omtose based on Omtose making the observation that scum could kill themselves by making the wrong kill. It was one step removed from a joke vote.

His Reaction was to build an immediate case on Osseric, he didn't even comment on Ampelas' vote

Tellan, on 19 January 2011 - 09:07 PM, said:

i'm going to lay my vote with Omtose. I think that he got some heat and deflected it all very nicely to Osseric. Although Osseric reaction was a bit over the top there was no case in the first place.

Vote Omtose

I may not get back on until quite close to night time. i'll do my best.

There was no heat on Omtose when he made his accuasations against Osseric. Unless you actually count Amp's vote, with nobody else making comments supporting it prior to Omtose stating his case. Heck, only PS posted in between. So Tellan's reason for voting is absolute BS.

This is subject to opinion but at the time I thought I was voting for scum. At least I gave a reason, a lot of people just said we need a lynch so lets vote.

And seriously, on day two Tellan is back to voting Sorrit based on reading comprehension? And it wouldn't be the first time "no clues in scenes" wasn't entirely accurate. I thought we had established on day one that Sorrit had poor reading comprehension skills.

Vote Tellan

Who established Sorrit has poor reading comprehension skills. That's a bit unfair on Sorrit to be honest. He is playing the game just like the rest of us. You can't exclude him from scrutiny.


edit. I had to underline my responses

This post has been edited by Tellan: 21 January 2011 - 09:14 AM

[Kalse]

...i'm back, give me a couple of minutes for a read through

[Hood's Path]

Ruse, on 21 January 2011 - 08:39 AM, said:

@hp - not sure what you mean, i am implying that sorrit is a symp. if the killers dont know who each other is as evidenced by the death of one at night then why would another killer be able to signal one.

OK, symp makes a bit more sense. What's thrown me is if Amp was important enough to have a symp, where was his NK? I'm not denying that it looks like signalling, I'm just trying to figure out what kind of setup would be required in which a symp would signal a killer who then dies that night with no one else dying.

[Merrid]

im not 100% concrete on this, and will be bk online later so may change if something better develops

Vote Liosan

if we get a lynch and lio turns out scum, i suggest we then lynch HP

Im also tempted to lynch Galayn, and then if his CI turns out scum to then go for sorrit...but im prepared to give those two a little leeway and watch what happens to fener...

sorry fener...but then your alts famous for being unlucky...

[Merrid]

i dont think scum have got easy killing abilities.

i mean if you think that theres four scum at the begining, if they all have kills on night one then all they need to do is have one good round where they hit RI's chained to RI's and theyve won already.

i think they have to share kills, or maybe two scum have to vote to kill the same person

[Tapper]

It is Day 2. 5 hours and 56 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Barghast, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Korabas, Liosan, Merrid, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ruse ( Sorrit )
3 Votes for Liosan ( Hood's Path, Galayn Lord, Merrid )
1 Vote for Galayn Lord ( Liosan )
2 Votes for Sorrit ( Fener, Tellan )
1 Vote for Tellan ( Barghast )

Players not voted: Kalse, Korabas, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah

[Tellan]

Merrid, on 21 January 2011 - 09:08 AM, said:

im not 100% concrete on this, and will be bk online later so may change if something better develops

Vote Liosan

if we get a lynch and lio turns out scum, i suggest we then lynch HP

Im also tempted to lynch Galayn, and then if his CI turns out scum to then go for sorrit...but im prepared to give those two a little leeway and watch what happens to fener...

sorry fener...but then your alts famous for being unlucky...

Just so I know why your thinking this way, why would you vote these people? You have named 5 people here I doubt they could all be scum.

[Tellan]

remove vote

I will have a good read through over the next hour or so and lay my vote down then.

[Path-Shaper]

14 Players still alive: Barghast, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Korabas, Liosan, Merrid, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ruse ( Sorrit )
1 Vote for Tellan ( Barghast )
3 Votes for Liosan ( Hood's Path, Galayn Lord, Merrid )
1 Vote for Galayn Lord ( Liosan )
1 Vote for Sorrit ( Fener )

Players not voted: Kalse, Korabas, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah, Tellan

[Merrid]

i stated it earlier but to recap

im not buying the HP-liosan i hate you, you hate me, it seems to false and put on, like their trying to distence themselves, which makes me suspicious. I could vote for HP but lio already has a few more votes (well 2, but thats 2 more than none) and if we lynch HP and he comes out scum then Lio can just shout out saying that he was right and hes acting on our team, when in fact he could be HP's partner and hiding it

Gaylan lord and sorrit...

they way im seeing it...sorrit put something suspicious on a post with amp quoted. now some people are saying that this was sorrit signaling amp, ( especialy as amp was scum) but i think it was more like putting up a bullseye (which is why amp is now dead)

gaylan lord then basicly said the same thing, but as a reply to fener. so either gaylan lord is saying to the forum at large that he is scum, or he is putting the bullseye on fener.

if its the bullseye theory well, i doubt the attack on fener is going to continue now ive drew attention to it but its still suspicious.

make sense?

[Kalse]

Right, after trying to read through and being continually interuppted i'm not interested in the HP - Liosan link, i think that Liosan has decided that he will have a vendetta against HP in this game and HP is responding but I don't see it going any deeper than that.

Furthmore, I am also not buying the GL and Sorrit signalling, but would definently change my mind if Fener drops off!

I am inclined to agree with Merrid's point that the scum are sharing a kill, either that or they have decided to limit them to reduce the chances of setting of their own collar.

One thing that is sticking in mind though is

Sorrit, on 20 January 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

I find it a bit odd that with supposedly most abilities relating to the collars, we seem to have had the expected number of activations (I'm assuming the little line about a light turning on = activation). I would've thought the abilities would either activate extra ones or prevent their activation. Then again, it could just be blind luck that they didn't affect anything last night, or there might not be many roles at all.

supposedly most abilities relating to the collars? Now it may just be me but i don't know anything about abilites that relate to collars, all i know that is if one person is killed, their linked collar mate's collar is activated to explode at the end of the next night.

Is this a genuine mistake or does Sorrit know more than I do?

I wil try to be back on as often as possible, interupptions allowing.

[Tellan]

Kalse, on 21 January 2011 - 10:31 AM, said:

Right, after trying to read through and being continually interuppted i'm not interested in the HP - Liosan link, i think that Liosan has decided that he will have a vendetta against HP in this game and HP is responding but I don't see it going any deeper than that.

Furthmore, I am also not buying the GL and Sorrit signalling, but would definently change my mind if Fener drops off!

I am inclined to agree with Merrid's point that the scum are sharing a kill, either that or they have decided to limit them to reduce the chances of setting of their own collar.

One thing that is sticking in mind though is

Sorrit, on 20 January 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

I find it a bit odd that with supposedly most abilities relating to the collars, we seem to have had the expected number of activations (I'm assuming the little line about a light turning on = activation). I would've thought the abilities would either activate extra ones or prevent their activation. Then again, it could just be blind luck that they didn't affect anything last night, or there might not be many roles at all.

supposedly most abilities relating to the collars? Now it may just be me but i don't know anything about abilites that relate to collars, all i know that is if one person is killed, their linked collar mate's collar is activated to explode at the end of the next night.

Is this a genuine mistake or does Sorrit know more than I do?

I wil try to be back on as often as possible, interupptions allowing.

Path-Shaper, on 18 January 2011 - 09:28 AM, said:

Collars are activated at the following times:

* whenever someone is lynched, his or her connected partner's collar is activated.
* whenever someone is NKed, his or her connected partner's collar is activated.
* whenever a role activates a player's collar directly.
* whenever someone dies as the result of an activated collar, his or her partner's collar is activated.
* whenever someone's collar is deactivated, his or her connected partner's collar is activated.

Most roles in the game deal with collars.
BPs do not protect against exploding collars.

edited quote tags

This post has been edited by Tellan: 21 January 2011 - 10:43 AM

[Tellan]

Merrid, on 21 January 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

i stated it earlier but to recap

im not buying the HP-liosan i hate you, you hate me, it seems to false and put on, like their trying to distence themselves, which makes me suspicious. I could vote for HP but lio already has a few more votes (well 2, but thats 2 more than none) and if we lynch HP and he comes out scum then Lio can just shout out saying that he was right and hes acting on our team, when in fact he could be HP's partner and hiding it

Gaylan lord and sorrit...

they way im seeing it...sorrit put something suspicious on a post with amp quoted. now some people are saying that this was sorrit signaling amp, ( especialy as amp was scum) but i think it was more like putting up a bullseye (which is why amp is now dead)

gaylan lord then basicly said the same thing, but as a reply to fener. so either gaylan lord is saying to the forum at large that he is scum, or he is putting the bullseye on fener.

if its the bullseye theory well, i doubt the attack on fener is going to continue now ive drew attention to it but its still suspicious.

make sense?

We do not have much time left and we need to lynch but I don't think Liosan is scum, he hasn't triggered any of my alarm bells. I like the bullseye idea though, the idea that the symps are picking targets.

I would be inclined to vote Sorrit because of this and if this poves right then I would consider looking into Galayn Lord but with such a small amount of time left I don't think we will be able to get a lynch.

[Kalse]

perhaps this is me misinterpreting the word 'abilities' then

[Merrid]

well im still here, and porbs will be tfor another 2 hours, why dont you put down a vote and see if we can shame some of these none voters playing the game

[Merrid]

also are we having a weekend freeze?

[Tellan]

We need to lynch, the most viable candidate is Liosan. Only because he has 3 votes. However I still think Sorrit is more scummy so at the moment I am going to

vote sorrit

now as you say in your post there Merrid he is also a candidate for you. I would like to see what others think too.

[Korabas]

Osseric, on 21 January 2011 - 03:47 AM, said:

Korabas, on 19 January 2011 - 07:47 AM, said:

Im back

Busy busy day for me but will chime in when i can.

vote Barghast

because of his silly "spiral" connected collar talk.
Looks to me like he might be purposefully trying to stir up a debate about something that need not be debated.
Its fairly obvious that people are simply paired in 2's with collars.


Just looking at the rules for if there are two people left confirm this. Never mind the wording wich states as much... blatantly obvious.


So yea...he could be trying to look handy and not actually be helpful at the same time.

Possible signalling? I'm always suspicious of people who forget people's names and then vote for those people. Then, when it's pointed out to him that it was Sorrit who came up with the 'spiral' theory, doesn't then vote for him, and drops the idea. The only thing that changed was the name, yet suddenly it wasn't a great idea anymore? I dunno, but it definitely pinged my scumdar.

sigh...I voted for Bargy for what i thought was him going on and on and on about the "spiral theory".
When i did a reread i realized it was not him all the time (wich is what i thought) and a few others where also culprits of discussing it.
No one "pointed it out" to me. I saw for myself and changed my vote accordingly.
The spiral theory in of itself was not damning...but the fact that i thought someone was trying to push this dead horse theory to perhaps look helpfull down our throats, when i read the thread again i realized he wasnt pushing anything as much as i thought he did.


What would a symp want to vote for his master for anyways?
I always find that theory to be ridiculous, when i am scum anyone who votes for me and attracts attention to me immediately falls off of my possible symp list... meh

anyways... your "evidence" is a bit wrong anyways.

[Path-Shaper]

Merrid, on 21 January 2011 - 11:00 AM, said:

also are we having a weekend freeze?

I will not be around for most of the weekend, don't know about Shin.
HD is currently not feeling well at all, so I guess he can use some time to recover.
I'm all for stopping the mod-kill timer and day/night timer but leaving the thread open.

- Tapper

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 3 hours and 51 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Barghast, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Korabas, Liosan, Merrid, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ruse ( Sorrit )
3 Votes for Liosan ( Hood's Path, Galayn Lord, Merrid )
1 Vote for Galayn Lord ( Liosan )
2 Votes for Sorrit ( Fener, Tellan )
1 Vote for Tellan ( Barghast )

Players not voted: Kalse, Korabas, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah