[Sorrit]

Tellan is clearly skimming through the thread as I posted pointing out that he'd done nothing to give any credence to his claims of me signaling, and now he comes on and repeats that I was signaling then votes me. HOW THE FUCK WAS IT SIGNALING TELLAN? EXPLAIN YOURSELF

[Sorrit]

Oh no wait, it gets even better! Because it was actually Ruse who decided to underline two completely unrelated sentences and declare it was sympage without the slightest idea of how to connect them. The same Ruse who claims he couldn't breathe but mustered the strength to vote Omtose and who decided what this thread really needed was speculation on mechanics being oriented towards a free-for-all...

[Merrid]

Silanah, on 21 January 2011 - 01:32 AM, said:

Hmmmmm...... First post and throwing some accusations on there. You've been quiet. From the little talking between people it's hard to assume that they are on the same team. What is your modus operandi in speaking about your hunch? Why throw this tidbit out at this time.



but neither lio's case on HP or HPs case on lio has any real merrit and has attracted no real interest from anyone else, they just seem a little too much at odds for me...admitidly its a hunch, but just something i thought id share

so what do you think about gaylan lord and sorrit both saying something about supporting a motion? also gaylan lord's slight defence for sorrit...it could just be because he genuinly feels sorrit is hard done by, or they are on the same team....

First of it’s not my first post.
Infect its a little rich coming from you considering that your 3rd post.

And secondly it’s simple really. Clocks ticking, we have two collars activated, and 14 players left. That gives me a 1 in 7 chance of being hit randomly by collar death. If I see something suspicious I have to mention it, I don’t have the luxury of taking my time.

the sorrit - galayn lord possible signalling explains itself, if you think sorrit was signalling then galayn copying the signal and coming to the defence (however slightly) of sorrit is suspicious,

as for HP and Lio, it just looks to theatrical to me...their arguments don’t look like arguments that are supposed to be taken seriously, and if HP does come out with a scum CI then Lio can sit all smug going I told you so, whilst hacking his way through the rest of us

[Barghast]

Seriously, your shrill over reacting is not helping your cause Sorrit.

I agree with both Fener and Liosan in regards to a possible vig reveal. IMO, if Amp was killed by a one shot vig it would be worth knowing as that clears up whether scum know each other or not. Eg. in that light, Amps posts that something fishy was going on at the start of the train could even be an attempt by him to signal other scum. But, there does seem to be a bias against eary reveals and asking for others to reveal. Which is a bit silly, as the only day the claim of vigging Amp is believable is today.

[Sorrit]

Barghast, on 21 January 2011 - 02:45 AM, said:

Seriously, your shrill over reacting is not helping your cause Sorrit.

I agree with both Fener and Liosan in regards to a possible vig reveal. IMO, if Amp was killed by a one shot vig it would be worth knowing as that clears up whether scum know each other or not. Eg. in that light, Amps posts that something fishy was going on at the start of the train could even be an attempt by him to signal other scum. But, there does seem to be a bias against eary reveals and asking for others to reveal. Which is a bit silly, as the only day the claim of vigging Amp is believable is today.

But it's so deliciously sarcastic! If I'm a bit rustled up, maybe it's because I've got the most votes without the slightest indication of a logical argument against me. Fun as shit times.

Anyways, I'll be heading off to bed soon, and though I want to omgus Tellan for being so monumentally stupid, I'd rather punish Ruse for not making the slightest sense, as well as his trying to muddy up the thread with totally weird speculation of free-for-all tactics, not to mention calling out for "suspicious interactions with Ampelas"

vote Ruse

[Osseric]

Hola folks, I'm here.

Gonna read through the whole thread and see what I can gather from all this.

[Barghast]

In a thread this short, summary posts are not needed and look a lot to me like someone trying to be helpful. Tellan's couple of big summary posts tweaked my suspicions so I decided to look a bit further.

Tellan, on 20 January 2011 - 09:21 AM, said:

Looking at the cases and reason for voting Fener and Rashan stick out to me. Fener because he though Omtose looked innocent but voted for him anyway and Rashan because he said he had no choice. If either of these voted elsewhere then there could have well been a different lynch. I agree we need to lynch everyday but we could at least have a reason for doing so.

Fener was the second vote on Omtose, making it a split vote at that time. Rashan was vote number six. Rashan was correct that by that time Omtose was getting lynched regardless. If there was a vote that got the momentum going it was Tellan's or Ruse's.

Tellan, on 20 January 2011 - 09:15 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 19 January 2011 - 01:28 PM, said:

Ok just read up, not a huge amount to go on but i was getting weird vibes off Omtose who just felt the need to randomly pop on and point out that scum could end up killing themselves.Not sure what it was but this sort of post just sent my scumdar tingling so until something more comes along

vote Omtose

Fener, on 19 January 2011 - 07:50 PM, said:

I don't really like to vote people for bad early game cases because it's way more likely that an inno makes an early game bad case than scum. But a lynch is doubly good in this game sooooooo

Vote Omtose

For being the most viable candidate IMO.

Tellan, on 19 January 2011 - 09:07 PM, said:

i'm going to lay my vote with Omtose. I think that he got some heat and deflected it all very nicely to Osseric. Although Osseric reaction was a bit over the top there was no case in the first place.

Vote Omtose

I may not get back on until quite close to night time. i'll do my best.

Ruse, on 19 January 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

the woman just carried me laptop in and i think looking at it omtose is 3-2 at mo. we need a lynch so

vote omtose

i can barely breath let alone think. goodnight gents.

Liosan, on 19 January 2011 - 10:04 PM, said:

Well looks like another no lynch on day one... WILL WE NEVER LEARN!!! oh the humanity.

remove vote

vote Omtose

for being a viable day one lynch ( the only one?) and for jumping on something so trivial and then defending his poor case. Not sure that makes him scum, but it makes him silly and if there is one thing I hate...its silliness.

Rashan, on 19 January 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

Really, a vote for omtose because of a bad case? a vote for omtose because of silliness?!

vote Omtose

Because there seems to be little choice in the matter this day. If we want a lynch, this is all we have.

Kalse, on 19 January 2011 - 10:33 PM, said:

Tried to get on when server was down, only just got chance to return...

Reading it all through Osseric's comment seems innocent enough really, it could be misconstrued but only if taking that one sentence into account and not his whole post. Osserics defense seems a bit mad but it can wind you up to have something simple you say get twisted.

so for me it is down to Omtose and Silanah, whose relationship in itself has made me suspicious

Quote

Oh hey look at no point are you or him referring to peoples ignorance changing. In fact looking at it in the correct light makes it even more scummy. That and your defense really leave something lacking.

Vote Osseric


Sil you need to bold.

but then again i could be reading too much into things, and we could do with a lynch right?


Vote Omtose

Edit: added quote

Osseric, on 19 January 2011 - 10:43 PM, said:

Vote Omtose


Because his vote on me right after Sil smacked of following.

Merrid, on 19 January 2011 - 11:03 PM, said:

I'm not sure theirs much of a case here but we need a lynch so i think its hammer time

Vote Omtose

Here are the people who voted and their reasons.

Ampelas (scum) started the train

Fener jumped onto this, maybe he wanted to deflect from people voting him earlier, he didn't have any reason and even stated that he thought Omtose was inno, there were 4 people with one vote on each of them so why didn't he chose someone he thought more scummy?

me, Tellan. My reason was that Omtose got voted by Ampelas but rather than defend he attacked Osseric with a bad case

Ruse stated we needed a lynch so jumped onto Omtose, at the time it was 3 votes to Omtose, 2 votes to Osseric and 1 vote for a couple of others

Liosan gave similar reason to me although he thought it was silly rather than scummy although he didn't think the lynch would go through

Rashan stated that he didn't have a choice but to vote for Omtose

Kalse also thought Omtose made a bad case but also highlighted a possible relationship with Silanah as a scummy sign

Osseric thought Omtose and Silanah had some sort of relationship

Merrid Hammers as was inevitable. He didn't think much of the case at all

Note, one of the four people with a vote was Fener, so that part is misleading at best.

There was nothing for Omtose to defend. Amp voted Omtose based on Omtose making the observation that scum could kill themselves by making the wrong kill. It was one step removed from a joke vote.

Tellan, on 19 January 2011 - 09:07 PM, said:

i'm going to lay my vote with Omtose. I think that he got some heat and deflected it all very nicely to Osseric. Although Osseric reaction was a bit over the top there was no case in the first place.

Vote Omtose

I may not get back on until quite close to night time. i'll do my best.

There was no heat on Omtose when he made his accuasations against Osseric. Unless you actually count Amp's vote, with nobody else making comments supporting it prior to Omtose stating his case. Heck, only PS posted in between. So Tellan's reason for voting is absolute BS.

And seriously, on day two Tellan is back to voting Sorrit based on reading comprehension? And it wouldn't be the first time "no clues in scenes" wasn't entirely accurate. I thought we had established on day one that Sorrit had poor reading comprehension skills.

Vote Tellan

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 11 hours and 28 minutes remaining


14 Players still alive: Barghast, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Korabas, Liosan, Merrid, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 Vote: Liosan (Hood's Path)
2 Votes: Sorrit (Fener,Tellan)
1 Vote Galayn Lord: (Liosan)
1 Vote Ruse: (Sorrit)
1 Vote Tellan: (Barghast)

Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Kalse, Korabas, Merrid, Omt Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 21 January 2011 - 03:46 AM

[Osseric]

Korabas, on 19 January 2011 - 07:47 AM, said:

Im back

Busy busy day for me but will chime in when i can.

vote Barghast

because of his silly "spiral" connected collar talk.
Looks to me like he might be purposefully trying to stir up a debate about something that need not be debated.
Its fairly obvious that people are simply paired in 2's with collars.


Just looking at the rules for if there are two people left confirm this. Never mind the wording wich states as much... blatantly obvious.


So yea...he could be trying to look handy and not actually be helpful at the same time.

Possible signalling? I'm always suspicious of people who forget people's names and then vote for those people. Then, when it's pointed out to him that it was Sorrit who came up with the 'spiral' theory, doesn't then vote for him, and drops the idea. The only thing that changed was the name, yet suddenly it wasn't a great idea anymore? I dunno, but it definitely pinged my scumdar.

Galayn Lord, on 20 January 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

following my own methodology, I loked at Omtose's train. it was Ruse's 4th vote that made the momentum inevitable. I'd be inclined to look there for scum.
my righteous anger is blunted, however, by the fact that Ruse sounds like he's on his deathbed in that post.


hmmmm.......

Ok, I'm not sure how Ruse being sick makes him any more inno? The roles are distributed randomly, Ruse is just as likely to be scum as anyone else, sickness be damned. Now, I'm inclined to agree with Liosan that you're trying to pad your postage, because you were around fairly regularly for the next 5 hours, yet even though you suspected Ruse might be scum for making the train inevitable, you never bothered to go back and actually take a look. Even if you're not scum, that's a terrible attitude for an inno to take. We need people to look for scum, not express their displeasure with the 'smoothness' argument and their enjoyment of Vengy's rants and pictures of Japanese schoolgirls.

[Path-Shaper]

I can express enjoyment of Japanese schoolgirls though, right?

[Osseric]

Path-Shaper, on 21 January 2011 - 03:50 AM, said:

I can express enjoyment of Japanese schoolgirls though, right?

Of course. It's just GL isn't doing anything constructive on top of that. If he was I'd be ok with it. I rather like them as well.

EDIT - changed wasn't to was

This post has been edited by Osseric: 21 January 2011 - 03:59 AM

[Osseric]

Fener, on 20 January 2011 - 04:51 PM, said:

Hah, considering Osseric tried to call me a math failure yesterday and put heat on me, I'd be quite pleased if you removed him from the game.

I said Omtose had a partner in the sense that he could have been part of some vig partnership.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you suggesting two innos know each other and have a shared vig? 'Cos that seems...unlikely.

Rashan, on 21 January 2011 - 12:40 AM, said:

Merrid, on 20 January 2011 - 11:31 PM, said:

if sorrit was signaling for amps death whith his 'i wholey support the motion' does anyone else notice that gaylan lord wrote the same thing'i second the smooth motion'????also i keep getting the idea that HP and liosan are just pissing around with distencing and are actualy on the same teamthoughts anyone?

Liosan and HP have been displaying mutual distrust since day 1. This casts doubt that they are working together, however they may just be extremely devious. Another option would be that scum know their team members. In both cases, drawing attention to each other seems a strange -- and unlikely -- strategy to adopt.

It's not strange at all. The whole 'distrust seems too forced' argument is highly WIFOM, and if one of them gets lynched, they likely take out an inno with their death, a kill goes through anyway and it brings Liosan one step closer towards PI as he can say 'I told you so'.

[Galayn Lord]

Merrid, on 20 January 2011 - 11:31 PM, said:

if sorrit was signaling for amps death whith his 'i wholey support the motion' does anyone else notice that gaylan lord wrote the same thing


'i second the smooth motion'????

also i keep getting the idea that HP and liosan are just pissing around with distencing and are actualy on the same team

thoughts anyone?

except I wrote it in respond to what Fener wrote. doesn't quite compute to signalling Sorrit, now does it?

[Merrid]

sorrit wrote it as a reply to amp, who ended up dead.

So maybe its a signal telling his team to kill amp, if fener drops dead tomorrow...well it looks suspicious

[Galayn Lord]

lol, ok, i'm willing to let you test that. since, you know, I can't kill people and all,

[Galayn Lord]

Osseric, on 21 January 2011 - 03:47 AM, said:

Korabas, on 19 January 2011 - 07:47 AM, said:

Im back

Busy busy day for me but will chime in when i can.

vote Barghast

because of his silly "spiral" connected collar talk.
Looks to me like he might be purposefully trying to stir up a debate about something that need not be debated.
Its fairly obvious that people are simply paired in 2's with collars.


Just looking at the rules for if there are two people left confirm this. Never mind the wording wich states as much... blatantly obvious.


So yea...he could be trying to look handy and not actually be helpful at the same time.

Possible signalling? I'm always suspicious of people who forget people's names and then vote for those people. Then, when it's pointed out to him that it was Sorrit who came up with the 'spiral' theory, doesn't then vote for him, and drops the idea. The only thing that changed was the name, yet suddenly it wasn't a great idea anymore? I dunno, but it definitely pinged my scumdar.

Galayn Lord, on 20 January 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

following my own methodology, I loked at Omtose's train. it was Ruse's 4th vote that made the momentum inevitable. I'd be inclined to look there for scum.
my righteous anger is blunted, however, by the fact that Ruse sounds like he's on his deathbed in that post.


hmmmm.......

Ok, I'm not sure how Ruse being sick makes him any more inno? The roles are distributed randomly, Ruse is just as likely to be scum as anyone else, sickness be damned. Now, I'm inclined to agree with Liosan that you're trying to pad your postage, because you were around fairly regularly for the next 5 hours, yet even though you suspected Ruse might be scum for making the train inevitable, you never bothered to go back and actually take a look. Even if you're not scum, that's a terrible attitude for an inno to take. We need people to look for scum, not express their displeasure with the 'smoothness' argument and their enjoyment of Vengy's rants and pictures of Japanese schoolgirls.

umm, wat?
I said, he was vote 4, making the train inevitable. I don't need to confirm that any firther.

that being said, I left the "i don't want to vote for a sick guy" statement out there as a feeler post. I expected him to respond to it. Seeing as Ruse hasn't posted since, (at least I don't think he did, unless i'm totally out of it, which is possible, given I don't exactly get lots of sleep these days)

that being said, I'm heding to bed soon. before that
vote Liosan

because he keeps mentoning smoothness, and what's more, he seems to gloat in the fact how unnoticeable he is.

[Osseric]

Galayn Lord, on 21 January 2011 - 06:00 AM, said:

Osseric, on 21 January 2011 - 03:47 AM, said:

Korabas, on 19 January 2011 - 07:47 AM, said:

Im back

Busy busy day for me but will chime in when i can.

vote Barghast

because of his silly "spiral" connected collar talk.
Looks to me like he might be purposefully trying to stir up a debate about something that need not be debated.
Its fairly obvious that people are simply paired in 2's with collars.


Just looking at the rules for if there are two people left confirm this. Never mind the wording wich states as much... blatantly obvious.


So yea...he could be trying to look handy and not actually be helpful at the same time.

Possible signalling? I'm always suspicious of people who forget people's names and then vote for those people. Then, when it's pointed out to him that it was Sorrit who came up with the 'spiral' theory, doesn't then vote for him, and drops the idea. The only thing that changed was the name, yet suddenly it wasn't a great idea anymore? I dunno, but it definitely pinged my scumdar.

Galayn Lord, on 20 January 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

following my own methodology, I loked at Omtose's train. it was Ruse's 4th vote that made the momentum inevitable. I'd be inclined to look there for scum.
my righteous anger is blunted, however, by the fact that Ruse sounds like he's on his deathbed in that post.


hmmmm.......

Ok, I'm not sure how Ruse being sick makes him any more inno? The roles are distributed randomly, Ruse is just as likely to be scum as anyone else, sickness be damned. Now, I'm inclined to agree with Liosan that you're trying to pad your postage, because you were around fairly regularly for the next 5 hours, yet even though you suspected Ruse might be scum for making the train inevitable, you never bothered to go back and actually take a look. Even if you're not scum, that's a terrible attitude for an inno to take. We need people to look for scum, not express their displeasure with the 'smoothness' argument and their enjoyment of Vengy's rants and pictures of Japanese schoolgirls.

umm, wat?
I said, he was vote 4, making the train inevitable. I don't need to confirm that any firther.

that being said, I left the "i don't want to vote for a sick guy" statement out there as a feeler post. I expected him to respond to it. Seeing as Ruse hasn't posted since, (at least I don't think he did, unless i'm totally out of it, which is possible, given I don't exactly get lots of sleep these days)

Granted, but my point was that you thought he might be scum based on that post, yet you didn't go and see if there was anything else amongst his posts that could corroborate that suspicion, despite being active for a fair while after you made that statement.

As for the supposed feeler post, what sort of response were you expecting to hang him with? I'm curious, because you ostensibly downgraded his potential for scum based on being sick, why did he need to respond to it? The better move there would've been to vote him for making the train inevitable on dubious grounds, along with his ill-thought-out 'free-for-all' theory, which would likely get him to respond. It might get him posting at the least. If I'm not seeing something, please point it out to me, because I don't see at all what you were trying to do there.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 8 hours and 11 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Barghast, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Korabas, Liosan, Merrid, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

2 Votes: Liosan (Hood's Path, Galayn Lord)
2 Votes: Sorrit (Fener,Tellan)
1 Vote Galayn Lord: (Liosan)
1 Vote Ruse: (Sorrit)
1 Vote Tellan: (Barghast)

Players not voted: Kalse, Korabas, Merrid, Omt Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah

[Ruse]

@hp - not sure what you mean, i am implying that sorrit is a symp. if the killers dont know who each other is as evidenced by the death of one at night then why would another killer be able to signal one.

@sorrit - the evidence is straight forward, ampelas made a comment and you said "i second the motion" or something in response. Ampelas is confirmed scum so that looks like you were signalling to him. theres evidence the scum dont know each other so it would be up to the symps to make a connection.

why are people asking for a reveal? if someone comes forward to claim an nk then there is always doubt about whether they are scum or not and eventually if they arent killed we would have to lynch them. also they may draw away inno night actions to verify they are what they claim. you also leave it open for killers and symps to jump in and risk a lynch for a chance at pi until the end. and to prove what exactly?

@whoever said about me being number four - was there a question in there? i havent been and wont be on regularly i am afraid. i came on and voted for whoever had most votes at the time as i beleiev we should lynch everyday.

[Tellan]

Ampelas, on 20 January 2011 - 01:02 AM, said:

ok so looks like we managed to lynch omtose with about 7 votes in 2 hours Il wait till we get the result back and night ends, but there definitely seems to be something going on near the start of that train.

Sorrit, on 20 January 2011 - 01:22 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 20 January 2011 - 01:02 AM, said:

ok so looks like we managed to lynch omtose with about 7 votes in 2 hours Il wait till we get the result back and night ends, but there definitely seems to be something going on near the start of that train.

That's not all that surprising, considering the typical fear of lack-of-day-1 lynches. I wholly support the motion!

Edit. Just that this was a cross post.

Sorrit, on 21 January 2011 - 02:18 AM, said:

Tellan is clearly skimming through the thread as I posted pointing out that he'd done nothing to give any credence to his claims of me signaling, and now he comes on and repeats that I was signaling then votes me. HOW THE FUCK WAS IT SIGNALING TELLAN? EXPLAIN YOURSELF

I explained everything other than this post. Throwing your support to Ampelas who turns out to be scum is exactly what I mean here. At the time no one knew Ampelas was going to die, and if you were scum you could have been signalling to him right there and then!!!

This post has been edited by Tellan: 21 January 2011 - 09:15 AM