[Gatekeeper]

Ipshank and Manask in the Bonehunters? Noto Boil is talking to Paran about his past and mentions Ipshank as a great healer and loyal to Greymane. Is there more mentin of them elsewhere that I missed?

[Illuyankas]

Nope, and they're in a chapter header somewhere in MOI I think about how Ipshank, the last official Destriant of Fener before NAMELESS PERSON WHO HAD HIS HANDS CUT OFF COUGHHEBORICCOUGH would have taken the position, fled across some icefields during the Last Flight of Manask and vanished.

[MTS]

That's the only other mention I know of, and that reference in BH is what made me so excited to read more about them.

[KingTeholBeddict]

Illuyankas, on 16 January 2011 - 06:18 AM, said:

Nope, and they're in a chapter header somewhere in MOI I think about how Ipshank, the last official Destriant of Fener before NAMELESS PERSON WHO HAD HIS HANDS CUT OFF COUGHHEBORICCOUGH would have taken the position, fled across some icefields during the Last Flight of Manask and vanished.

What? What? What? But... doesn't Heboric say that the last official destriant lived a thousand years before?

[Thelomen Toblerone]

I knew the names but for the life of me couldn't recall the story. Which is quite a depressing indication of the quality of my memory, as I'm doing a read through atm and had quite literally only just finished MoI when I read Stonewielder. Sigh.

[champ]

MoI...

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The Last Mortal Sword of Fener's Reve was Fanald of Cawn Vor, who was killed in the Chaining. The last Boar-cloaked Destriant was Ipshank of Korelri, who vanished during the Last Flight of Manask on the Stratem Icefields. Another waited to claim that title, but was cast out from the temple before it came to him, and that man's name has been stricken from all records. It is known, however, that he was from Unta; that he had begun his days as a cutpurse living on its foul streets, and that his casting out from the temple was marked by the singular punishment of Fener's Reve…
Temple Lives Birrin Thund

[MTS]

KingTeholBeddict, on 16 January 2011 - 10:11 AM, said:

Illuyankas, on 16 January 2011 - 06:18 AM, said:

Nope, and they're in a chapter header somewhere in MOI I think about how Ipshank, the last official Destriant of Fener before NAMELESS PERSON WHO HAD HIS HANDS CUT OFF COUGHHEBORICCOUGH would have taken the position, fled across some icefields during the Last Flight of Manask and vanished.

What? What? What? But... doesn't Heboric say that the last official destriant lived a thousand years before?

That was Quick Ben in MoI after his sorcerous communication with Karnadas and Brukhalian. IIRC he says something like 'there hasn't been a real Destriant in a thousand years'. Quick Ben suggests it's for show, and in the same book there's mention that the last Mortal Sword of Fener was killed in the (presumably last) Chaining, and the last Destriant was Ipshank. Timeline-wise, that would invalidate Karnadas' and Brukhalian's claim to both titles if we take that info as correct, as Greymane says he received his sword (and was denounced soon after) decades before the events of SW.

[D'rek]

MTS, on 16 January 2011 - 11:37 AM, said:

KingTeholBeddict, on 16 January 2011 - 10:11 AM, said:

Illuyankas, on 16 January 2011 - 06:18 AM, said:

Nope, and they're in a chapter header somewhere in MOI I think about how Ipshank, the last official Destriant of Fener before NAMELESS PERSON WHO HAD HIS HANDS CUT OFF COUGHHEBORICCOUGH would have taken the position, fled across some icefields during the Last Flight of Manask and vanished.

What? What? What? But... doesn't Heboric say that the last official destriant lived a thousand years before?

That was Quick Ben in MoI after his sorcerous communication with Karnadas and Brukhalian. IIRC he says something like 'there hasn't been a real Destriant in a thousand years'. Quick Ben suggests it's for show, and in the same book there's mention that the last Mortal Sword of Fener was killed in the (presumably last) Chaining, and the last Destriant was Ipshank. Timeline-wise, that would invalidate Karnadas' and Brukhalian's claim to both titles if we take that info as correct, as Greymane says he received his sword (and was denounced soon after) decades before the events of SW.

Well, one could presume that QB simply doesn't know about Ipshank or Fanald (alternatively, if Fanald died in the first chaining, not an issue). Or he could know of them but not happened to know they were the real deal. Ipshank is Theftian and converted to Fener, for all we know he never even left the continent, while we know next to nothing of Fanald, not even whether Cawn Vor is the same as Cawn. Putting aside QB's statement, Fanald's death and Ipshank un-becoming the Destriant of Fener could easily have both occured before Karnadas and Brukhalian became these roles.

We can't know for sure, but the Grey Swords could easily have used those same titles honorifically before they got them for real, or Fener could have had multiple mortals in the roles, as well.

[Abyss]

Isn't there a ref to Manask in another book? Something like '...during the last flight of Manask across the icefields...' or such?

[MTS]

Psst, Abyss, three posts up...

This post has been edited by MTS: 17 January 2011 - 03:27 PM

[Abyss]

Abyss, on 17 January 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

Isn't there a ref to Manask in another book? Something like '...during the last flight of Manask across the icefields...' or such?

MTS, on 17 January 2011 - 03:26 PM, said:

Psst, Abyss, three posts up...

Umm... yessss...., i, of course, meant the Second to Last Flight of Manask... which is only referred to in end notes of the limited letterbox hand illustrated pre advanced release director's cut version of Bauchelain & Korbal Broach Go To White Castle that SE handed out at FantasyCon in 2007 at the pub after the after party... you would have known that if you were a REAL fan.

- Abyss, ...never retreats, never surrenders...

[MTS]

D, on 16 January 2011 - 07:07 PM, said:

MTS, on 16 January 2011 - 11:37 AM, said:

KingTeholBeddict, on 16 January 2011 - 10:11 AM, said:

Illuyankas, on 16 January 2011 - 06:18 AM, said:

Nope, and they're in a chapter header somewhere in MOI I think about how Ipshank, the last official Destriant of Fener before NAMELESS PERSON WHO HAD HIS HANDS CUT OFF COUGHHEBORICCOUGH would have taken the position, fled across some icefields during the Last Flight of Manask and vanished.

What? What? What? But... doesn't Heboric say that the last official destriant lived a thousand years before?

That was Quick Ben in MoI after his sorcerous communication with Karnadas and Brukhalian. IIRC he says something like 'there hasn't been a real Destriant in a thousand years'. Quick Ben suggests it's for show, and in the same book there's mention that the last Mortal Sword of Fener was killed in the (presumably last) Chaining, and the last Destriant was Ipshank. Timeline-wise, that would invalidate Karnadas' and Brukhalian's claim to both titles if we take that info as correct, as Greymane says he received his sword (and was denounced soon after) decades before the events of SW.

Well, one could presume that QB simply doesn't know about Ipshank or Fanald (alternatively, if Fanald died in the first chaining, not an issue). Or he could know of them but not happened to know they were the real deal. Ipshank is Theftian and converted to Fener, for all we know he never even left the continent, while we know next to nothing of Fanald, not even whether Cawn Vor is the same as Cawn. Putting aside QB's statement, Fanald's death and Ipshank un-becoming the Destriant of Fener could easily have both occured before Karnadas and Brukhalian became these roles.

The book could also have been written before Brukhalian and Karnadas came to officially fill those roles. The events described are at least 10 years before MoI, likely more. The position of Knight of Death was presumably empty for quite a while between Dassem's break with Hood and Baudin stepping up to the plate as well, so there could have been a similar situation there.

Came across this in my SW re-read yesterday. Interaction between Ipshank and the Lady in the Cloister:

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‘A pity. Now you are bereft. You betray me, and then that god you clove to … the one your grunting ancestors squirmed before...the beast...you rejected him as well! Such an honour he offered you! Destriant! Arch-priest! And now he is cast down. Who could possibly be next for you? Truly, I am curious. Who will you run to next?'

Now, there is no mention of acceptance, but it does sort of reinforce the notion that Quick Ben was wrong and Ipshank was a 'real' Destriant. He's likely wrong anyway, as we have two likely candidates (Ipshank and Karnadas) and the Lady and presumably a priest of Fener corroborate Ipshank's story.

Totally missed he was an eminent priest of the Lady beforehand in my first read-through by the way:

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Bakune stared at the man. Ipshank? Where had he heard that name before? Of course! Renegade! One of the highest of the Lady’s hierarchy to throw off her worship. That was during the first invasion. The animal tattooing … turned to one of the foreign gods then.