[Soulessdreamer]

@D'rek
you can farm vertically think hydroponics/hanging gardens and if you are growing funguses and the like you don't need sunlight or growlamps.

TTFN

[D'rek]

Soulessdreamer, on 22 January 2011 - 08:11 AM, said:

@D'rek
you can farm vertically think hydroponics/hanging gardens and if you are growing funguses and the like you don't need sunlight or growlamps.

TTFN

So Red Moranth = mushroom masters, got it.

[Soulessdreamer]

Or some other crop the tiste introduced from dark or shadow, they could live off of tree sap for all I know I just think your remark about vertical farms shows a lack of imagination especially given the exsistance of magic on Wu.

TTFN

[MTS]

The existence of magic stymies technological innovation though, it's not a tool whereby everything is possible, especially in this series. Compared to other magic systems, its application outside of combat and enchantment is really rather limited. What we've seen anyway. We haven't really seen or heard mention of many Tennes mages putting their efforts to enhancing agribusiness (have we seen any others besides Brood and the witch in MoI?) and Ruse is a virtually forgotten discipline of magic in the Malazan Empire and a few other places as well IIRC.

[D'iversify]

Soulessdreamer, on 22 January 2011 - 08:11 AM, said:

@D'rek
you can farm vertically think hydroponics/hanging gardens and if you are growing funguses and the like you don't need sunlight or growlamps.

TTFN

Vertical farms are good science, though I hear they're prone to being blown over by a light wind.

[Soulessdreamer]

D, on 23 January 2011 - 05:24 PM, said:

Soulessdreamer, on 22 January 2011 - 08:11 AM, said:

@D'rek
you can farm vertically think hydroponics/hanging gardens and if you are growing funguses and the like you don't need sunlight or growlamps.

TTFN

Vertical farms are good science, though I hear they're prone to being blown over by a light wind.

as oposed to all those mid west farms and there twisters LOL

TTFN

[Blueiron]

On the Silver: Ruling caste of mages, come to power relatively recently (which may account for past technological developments). What kind of mages they are is unknown (perhaps it involves Shadow, given Moranth history with the Edur)

On the Red: Role unknown (possibly agriculture or industry). Their existence is know because of red bits of armour somone scavenged, IIRC. This would suggest at least a peripheral role in military, leading me to belive they are in charge of industry. After all, the Moranth dooseem to be a highly industrial people, despite living in a forest.

The question that comes to mind to me is the degree of autonomy that the different castes have. For example we've never seen a silver commander overseeing any of the Gold, Blue, or Black's movements abroad, and in SW it seems that the contract is pretty specifically with the Blue, and not anyone else. This raises the question also of how distinct the moranth are. For the Blue to operate autonomously, for instance, it would require generals, soldiers, sailors, and they seem to make their own munitions, at least in special cases, and may even have their own mael-centred mages. Perhaps they are not all as unified, then, as we believe.

[Roldom]

especialy as the black and the blue were prepared to face off in this book

[Blueiron]

Well to be fair, those Blacks were essentially cut off from cloud forest and the Moranth. It would not be unreasonable, I think to relate them to the Malazan defectors from the sixth prepared to fight Greymane.

[Sty]

nacht, on 09 January 2011 - 11:53 PM, said:

"The Moranth speak the language of the Barghast shouldermen – the holy tongue – the language that rose from the pit of darkness from whence all thought and all words first came. The Moranth claim kinship with the Barghast – they call us their Fallen Kin. But it is they who have fallen, not us. They who have found a shadowed forest in which to live. They who have embraced the alchemies of the T’isten’ur. They who made peace with the demons long ago, exchanging secrets, before retreating into their mountain fastnesses and hiding for ever behind their insect masks."

- Cafal on Moranth.

Apparently they live in mountain fastnesses.. so obviously they need ways to sustain these societies with food and water. But with a culture that's developed Edur alchemies (which we never see the Edur themselves use) into the Moranth munitions I'm sure they've handled it.

The way they're regimented makes me think the whole people is set up as an army. Could it be as a counter to the Tyrant of Darujistan and his Seguleh? Because the Moranth feel much more like a working army than the lone swordsmen of the Seguleh?

[Kanese S's]

Could be, I really like that idea, Sty.

With an extremely well organized and disciplined army (and the Moranth certainly seem to be exceedingly organized and disciplined), one could probably counter the skill of the Seguleh style swordfighters.

[Sanctume]

Ulrik, on 10 January 2011 - 12:44 AM, said:

Why Moranth do not rule Wu? They are brethen to Barghast...and look at Barghast ar DoD...:/ They still have (its my feeling from books) very fragmentarized and ritualized style of life and society. You cant conquer world, when you are interested to counquer your cousin. Or at least punch him. And why rule? They are independent, their products are highly valued, their men too... Plenty of resources and time to punch you cousing and have a nice nice even without world domination

Interesting.

Spoiler

White Face Barghast was originally meants to mimic the Forkrul Assail. White Face, and Turtleshells?
Or was it to imitate looking like a FA, but their purpose is to fight FA?

But not all Barghast are White Face.

Then this, the remaining Barghast (Clans Paran visited) are the "lost" kins according to Twist.

Does this mean the Moranth are the true or original Barghast? That are "tired of war" (war with FA?), and split to hook up with Tisde Edur alchemist, and lived in a Shadowed forest of KE?

The ancestors of the Barghast dug up in (Capustan?) had boats, iirc.

I wonder if part of the Alchemy talent leaked into Letheri because there's a good alchemist with Dead Hedge in his rebuilt BB

This post has been edited by Sanctume: 26 July 2011 - 06:02 PM

[Sanctume]

MTS, on 23 January 2011 - 06:10 AM, said:

The existence of magic stymies technological innovation though, it's not a tool whereby everything is possible, especially in this series. Compared to other magic systems, its application outside of combat and enchantment is really rather limited. What we've seen anyway. We haven't really seen or heard mention of many Tennes mages putting their efforts to enhancing agribusiness (have we seen any others besides Brood and the witch in MoI?) and Ruse is a virtually forgotten discipline of magic in the Malazan Empire and a few other places as well IIRC.

Warren Magic is weak against Moranth Munition though because it tears the warren walls and creates holes to chaos.

[Sanctume]

Sty, on 03 April 2011 - 01:11 PM, said:

nacht, on 09 January 2011 - 11:53 PM, said:

"The Moranth speak the language of the Barghast shouldermen – the holy tongue – the language that rose from the pit of darkness from whence all thought and all words first came. The Moranth claim kinship with the Barghast – they call us their Fallen Kin. But it is they who have fallen, not us. They who have found a shadowed forest in which to live. They who have embraced the alchemies of the T'isten'ur. They who made peace with the demons long ago, exchanging secrets, before retreating into their mountain fastnesses and hiding for ever behind their insect masks."

- Cafal on Moranth.

Apparently they live in mountain fastnesses.. so obviously they need ways to sustain these societies with food and water. But with a culture that's developed Edur alchemies (which we never see the Edur themselves use) into the Moranth munitions I'm sure they've handled it.

The way they're regimented makes me think the whole people is set up as an army. Could it be as a counter to the Tyrant of Darujistan and his Seguleh? Because the Moranth feel much more like a working army than the lone swordsmen of the Seguleh?

Considering Kiska and Leomen was wandering forever in some piece of warren (KE?) to get to the Whorl, and they stumbled upon a rather large army of Liosans; I can imagine "shadowed forest" can open up to a large area to fit what the Moranth need.

[worry]

I'm pretty sure some of that Barghast stuff is spoilery in nature.

[LordofTheFallen]

Ok, ignouring the KE warren or any other warrens all together, the Moranth still have plenty of space to raise a large civilization/army.

their Cloud Forest home is more or less a steep and tall mountain with large trees on the top (the forest is as high as the clouds), as it was mentioned in GotM that they flew out from their mountain and dropped munitions on the malazans before they allied with them. So they could potentially live within the mountain, and it is supposebly a huge mountain, and have all agriculture stuff on the top as well as whatever else in the trees. So even if they didn't have a warren fragment up there they could still hold a lot of moranth.

And in terms of battles, have quorls with cussers and silver moranth fly over the armies. The silver keep any magic or random gaint flying things away while cussers are dropped upon the enemy.

[sappers rule]

I feel the reason the moranth allied with the malazans instead of fighting them is that they saw the benefits of allying with them in order to defeat their enemies (pale etc.)
Also they could have beaten the mals but knew it would weaken them.

on their ruling system they prob have a government with all the different colours represented like the english/irish system but no public voting.

[The Pack]

When we eventually find out what the role of the reds is, i hope it's something more bad ass than the armourer caste.

[Roldom]

As far as food production is concerned I cant see that truley becoming a problem for them

They sell there munitions, there a mercanry people, and just how expensive can grain be? apart from specialist foods for the qhorls (assuming they need such and that its unique to cloud forest ) the moranth could easily import a significant part of there food suply from genibackis