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'Students' riot. Put me in charge.

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 09:01 PM

View PostThelomen Toblerone, on 18 December 2010 - 05:20 PM, said:

And even then, you only have the chance to vote once every five years. If you live somewhere like Winchester, then a Tory MP is always going to be returned no matter who you vote for anyway, so you're pretty much stuffed. Yay democracy


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Same deal with Kingston, Ontario. the Liberal MP form there has been Speaker for the last 15 years, regardless of who's in power. the people of Kingston wil continue voting him in, just for the sake of always having the homebred speaker.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 07:38 AM

View PostMentalist, on 18 December 2010 - 09:01 PM, said:

View PostThelomen Toblerone, on 18 December 2010 - 05:20 PM, said:

And even then, you only have the chance to vote once every five years. If you live somewhere like Winchester, then a Tory MP is always going to be returned no matter who you vote for anyway, so you're pretty much stuffed. Yay democracy


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Same deal with Kingston, Ontario. the Liberal MP form there has been Speaker for the last 15 years, regardless of who's in power. the people of Kingston wil continue voting him in, just for the sake of always having the homebred speaker.



If you're in Kingston, then I was indeed referring to Queen's earlier, with the poor acquisition and construction decisions, and the waaaay overpaid admins.

As far as Milliken goes, I remember reading that this was to be his last round as speaker.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 07:43 AM

Yeah, i did my undergrad there, graduated in '09, and now i'm studying out West.

And the University Centre fiasco angered me to no end, that is true.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 19 December 2010 - 11:54 AM

I go to the University of California Berkeley. Protests are essentially the campus sport.

I ignore anyone holding a sign, as a matter of course.
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Posted 20 December 2010 - 11:41 AM

View PostYellow, on 18 December 2010 - 11:25 AM, said:

Normally you would say the best way to let your MP know how you feel is to vote the fucker out. The problem though: what are the options? Let's say you voted Lib Dem and you're angry about the student fees. You can't vote for the Tories because it's their policy in the first place (and they're using the Lib Dems as bullet proof vests). Labour are the bastards who brought the original tuition system in back in 1997/8, so they're not on your side either. A vote for anyone else is a waste of a vote.


People (as in them, the people) always go on about how this is a democracy and if you don't like it you can vote for change. First of all, this isn't a democracy, it's a Capitalist Consititutional Monarchy. Second of all, anyone who you vote in to change the system, won't change the system as they've just benefitted from it, espeically as they require capital to sustain their position, inherently tying themselves in with those who seek profit.

I do know of a certain MP in my hometown who was voted in '10, who's constituency office is in the next office over, not on a bus route, in the middle of an industrial estate. Last time I was back there, there were no roving surgeries, so I've no idea how poor people are supposed to access him, especially as he's one of the MPs without a PO box service. It's exemplary of the conceit of the MP position, despite being in a (for the last few elections) target constituency.
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Posted 20 December 2010 - 12:32 PM

View PostMezla PigDog, on 14 December 2010 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostThe Tyrant Lizard, on 14 December 2010 - 12:51 PM, said:

Some people on here are a bit blinded by the fees thing. I don't really care about that. I have a major problem with people rioting and endangering others with there stupidity. Is anyone on here actually defending the rioters? because if not, you could have fooled me.


I feel a degree of sympathy for the rioters. From what I can make out, some are the kind of anarchist nobs that show up to any old demo to cause trouble, some are bored little Tarquin's but a lot of them are 6th form kids from inner city London who see the system shafting them by taking away their Education Maintenance Allowance. If you were 16 or 17 in this country, all you would have directly experienced about politics are the lies about the Iraq war, the expenses scandal and now politicians reneging on election promises. It doesn't surprise me If the only way they can figure out to show their frustration is to have a bit of a riot.

Personally, I'm really pissed off at the baby boomers: they got everything for free, horded all of the wealth and property, fixed the system to benefit themselves and pulled up the ladder behind them. If a bunch of kids want a riot, then it's fine by me until they start organising themselves enough to take petrol bombs (although with the price of fuel in this country, that would be an unwise use of their student loans). It's been nothing so far, we can rely on the media to spin it into something that sells newspapers and justifies their existance.

View PostThe Tyrant Lizard, on 14 December 2010 - 12:57 PM, said:

They dont have to go to university to get on in life you know.


No, but they'll forever be behind the rich people who did go to university and that kind of injustice is as good a cause for a riot as I can think of.

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By you remarks condoning the attacks of charles and camilla I'd say your views border on the idiotic


That may be so, but is it not more idiotic to be outraged by the fact that someone whose inherited wealth stems from centuries of taxation of the likes of you and me got into a bit of a scuffle in his free car on the way to a crappy little variety show? He could have missed Kylie! So Charlie got to see a bit of reality. I'm supposed to give a shit?


It will only get worse if the fees increase.
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Posted 20 December 2010 - 05:56 PM

I love Charlie Brooker

http://www.guardian....ut-tuition-fees

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How to cut tuition fees
We should teach only the useful stuff: scavenging, strangling and how to operate a water cannon

You can't put a price on a good education. Except, actually, you can – and it turns out that price is just over £9,000 a year.

Unsurprisingly many students are furious at the hike in tuition fees; but apart from shouting about it or trying to smash the Treasury to bits with sticks, what practical steps can we take to make education more affordable?

Nine thousand pounds a year sounds like a lot – but actually, it's shitloads. Yet it turns out that if you divide shitloads by 52, it comes out at around £173 a week, which sounds more achievable. Especially if your course only lasts seven days. So let's only provide week-long courses.

Obviously, to compress a three-year course into one week, the field of study will have to be streamlined a bit. Whittled down. Reduced to a series of bullet points. But in many cases, that's an advantage.

Take history. There's already far too much of it. In fact, mankind is generating a "past mountain", which grows 24 hours in size every single day. No one can be expected to keep all of that in their head. There simply isn't room. Even award-winning historians will be lost for words if you unexpectedly leap out in front of them and demand they list everything that happened on, say, 6 July 1919, before the special quiz music ends, especially if they thought they were alone in the house.

So instead of studying the whole of human history, why not focus on a concentrated period, such as the most exciting five minutes of the second world war? That way you just get the fun bits with the machine guns and everything, and there's none of that boring exploration of the "consequences" or the "causes" or "how we can stop it happening again". The philosopher George Santayana famously remarked that those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. But if you have forgotten history, you won't know you're repeating it – so it won't matter. And you won't have heard of George Santayana, either. Which is just as well, because, to be honest, he sounds like a bit of a smart arse.

Likewise, when it comes to studying politics, let's not waste time examining both sides of an argument – that's just confusing. Instead of learning the pros and cons of say, slavery, why not just learn the pros? Not only is it far quicker, but you actually stand more chance of getting a job when you graduate, perhaps as a feisty TV news pundit or Daily Express columnist. Or as the owner of a cotton plantation.

Speaking of careers, there are far too many courses with no clear vocational goal. If you're not studying with a view to ensuring your future prosperity, why, precisely, are you bothering to read the Decameron? For the cultural benefit of all mankind? Look around you. Culture's doing just fine without your help. We've got everything we need – from cage-fighting at the lowbrow end of the spectrum through to the dizzy heights of James Cameron's Avatar right up at the top. There's something for everyone.

Rather than providing frivolous courses in artsy-fartsy-thinky-winky subjects with no obvious revenue stream, our educational institutions could save a lot of time and unnecessary expense by only providing courses that train students for jobs we're definitely going to need in the brilliant future we're steadily carving for ourselves. What's the point in learning botany? We all know there won't be plantlife. Apart from maybe the odd triffid, or whatever sort of moss can withstand a dirty bomb. So why bother learning about it? There's no money to be made.

Instead, let's focus on giving young people the skills society will be crying out for in the years or months to come. Practical vocations such as water-cannon operator, wasteland scavenger, penguin coffin logger, Thunderdome umpire, dissident strangler, henchperson and pie ingredient.

Come to think of it, even those courses are going to be costly, and the eventual wages so insultingly low it'll take them three lifetimes to repay the loans. They can make up some of the shortfall by taking part in medical experiments, fellating ministers or breeding offspring for food, but the chances are that the big society will never recoup the funds it lent to these little people.

Which leaves us one final option. Let's simply give up. You know, as a species. Put an end to this weird "progress" experiment we've all been taking part in and actively revert to the level of farmyard animals. They look happy, don't they, with their tails and their mud? Let's join them.

Starting tomorrow, let's stop bothering to learn or teach anything. Within months the whole world will be far simpler for all concerned. We can issue the next generation with a few basic instructions, some warm clothes and toilet paper, and leave them to it.

Eventually society will regress to the point where there are only two words – "boh" (meaning good) and "bah" (meaning bad). Everything will be either bah or boh; we'll shuffle around bah-ing or boh-ing, chewing the cud or eating the vitamin rusks they occasionally fire in our direction from the turrets on their trucks. And everyone will be happy. Or ignorant. Or both.

Merry Christmas.


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Posted 20 December 2010 - 07:33 PM

I want the Thunderdome umpire job.
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 12:53 PM

I think he just described the target demographic of every 'reality' TV program ever devised.

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:29 AM

That's it, I'm starting an international organization of contentedness-promoting agents, AKA couterprotesters. They'll show up at picket lines with signs bearing slogans such as "_____(Government officials) are doing OK!" and "We can't decide either way on this matter, it is too nuanced!" or "I like cheeseburgers!"

This post has been edited by Adjutant Stormy: 22 December 2010 - 10:29 AM

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bla bla bla

Peopleare harrasing me... grrrrrh.

Also people with big noses aren't jews, they're just french

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 02:15 PM

@ AS: consider the slogan "it's all good"......
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 22 December 2010 - 03:46 PM

View PostJenisapt Rul, on 20 December 2010 - 05:56 PM, said:



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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:20 AM

Just thought I'd share this little rant I had this afternoon. Made in the presence of a couple of other uni students I know, to encouraging responses. I'm not entirely sure it's how I feel exactly, but right now it is pretty damn close. Made over Skype, in case you're wondering how I have a transcript of it...

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Everybody tottles off to the fucking big degree-giving-place, because it's the "thing to do" and yet no-one actually gives a fuck what you do there unless it's one of the "big three" (at least one of which is actually dead fucking boring), and then you basically end up with a qualification in an over-saturated market in a spiralling economy (because of one of the qualifications and the debt-culture encouraged by the state/education) with no prospects other than what you would have had 20 years ago without the fucking qualification, and no-one actually wants to do what they study so they end up going back to fucking uni to do a different degree when they're five to ten years older and actually have some idea of what they want even if it's just "not what I'm doing now".
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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:43 AM

I feel ya. It's very close to how things look like from where I stand (sit).

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 05:07 PM

I'm just glad it only took me a year, instead of the 5-10.....
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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